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dylanTheDeveloper ,
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Yeah but bathroom breaks and not being fired simply because you forgot to smile at the manager

HotChickenFeet ,

Many states ban vote solicitation and signs within 50-200 ft of polling locations. I’m sure it’s only for state+ level votes, but it seems to me like having signs saying to vote NO directly on and adjacent to the voting machine for a legally protected union vote should be not legal…

Omega_Haxors , (edited )

Never forget when Amazon called the guy who organized a strike “inarticulate” even though his speaking talent was literal poetry.

For those of you unaware, that was a dogwhistle. The strike leader was black.

BrazenSigilos ,

I did a seasonal stint at a Target Warehouse recently, and while there wasn’t anything blatantly antiunion, the effort is absolutely there. There is alot of talk about open door policies, open communication lines between management and workers, and a culture of “trust”. My emphasis, their words. They also have a standing policy that, out of context, is very odd. Knowing what I do about antiunion measures, it’s very blatant. They have a fiercely reinforced policy that there is to be no distribution of any papers or solicitation of any kind during work hours or on Target property. They attempt to rationale it with an example of people “asking for kids fundraising orders or public funding websites”. Personally I’ve never known those to be even a mild distraction at any workplace.

PutangInaMo ,

I understand not doing it during work hours, but it should absolutely be allowed to happen on the property.

anarchy79 ,
@anarchy79@lemmy.world avatar

Reasons not to join union:

  1. No guarantee that they will help at all mitigating our blatant exploitation of the workforce
  2. Uh, it is un-american.
DrownedRats ,
@DrownedRats@lemmy.world avatar

The un-american argument always makes me laugh. Ah yes, Unions bad, good thing I live in the U.S.A where Unions aren’t a thing. no siree, you won’t find a single Union here, that’s for sure!

spudwart ,

Correct! They’re un-american in this union of states…

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IronpigsWizard ,

It is always the same tactic again and again and again. Constant variations of, “unions steal your money via dues and you have no guarantee of benefits then, but you do right now”.

It’s exhausting.

The same tactic, damn near the same words, are used for the same purpose since at least the 1800s. It works well enough that they just slightly modernize the language and that is that.

Prior_Industry ,

The fact they are putting these up should let you know it’s something you want to join

tvbusy ,

Agree. I don’t understand why Amazon thinks this will help, like “hello people, Union is a thing that we’re really afraid of, haven’t you heard?”

Raz ,

Because they want to plant that seed of doubt and fear.

Might not work for you, but unfortunately there are a lot of naive or insecure folks out there.

gmtom ,

If you can think critically, sure. But large amounts of the population are dumb as bricks and will believe this literally just because it’s on a poster.

Shialac ,

People are so used to getting gaslit by megacorps, they just eat that shit up unquestioned

asynts ,
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I do feel like this is smart. The first two points are whatever but the third one “typically you must go through union instead of your supervisor or manager” makes it sound like there is a lot of bureaucratic overhead to it. People who are undecided could feel that it’s too much effort.

Kind ,

If conditions were left up to corporations children would still be working, we’d be doing 12 hours a day 6 days a week and Charles Dickens a Christmas Carol would be an autobiography on the current bestsellers list.

Corporations are interested in making profits, paying shareholders, managers getting their bonuses, workers are don’t make the top 10.

EmperorHenry ,
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One of the many reasons why I refuse to buy anything on amazon.

Wisely ,

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    gsf ,

    Which grocery store and which union

    SoleInvictus ,
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    Seriously, I’ve never heard of a union whose dues are 25%.

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    Adalast ,

    If you belonged to a union that brought you below minimum wage with dues, then something very wrong was going on. (disclaimer, I am not a lawyer, I just care about my rights A LOT) The Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) defines the minimum wage and specifically prevents employers from deducting the costs of doing business from employee wages. Things like equipment, uniforms, cash drawer shortages, broken merchandise, etc. The FLAS does permit deductions for things like unemployment insurance, health savings accounts, etc., and does include union dues as exempt and able to be deducted as a general statement. That said, the two are not intrinsically linked. The FLSA generally states that minimum wage is the MINIMUM. I was not able to find an exhaustive list of exemptions, but what I did find was slim to say the least. I’m pretty sure that them reducing your wage below minimum with union dues, which were supposed to be voluntary as well, was illegal. I am more than open to being corrected though and I would love to have a referral to the FLSA section that codifies it.

    sin_free_for_00_days ,

    Sounds like a union bought off by the corporation. Most unions are very beneficial to workers.

    anarchy79 ,
    @anarchy79@lemmy.world avatar

    That sounds less than believable.

    38fhh2f8th5819c7 ,

    I call bullshit. Care to name the company and the union?

    ThatFembyWho ,

    The creepy part is how you’re supposed to turn in anyone who discusses unions or unionizing.

    They literally tell you “if you hear someone discussing something against the company’s best interests, say something!”

    TwoGems ,
    @TwoGems@lemmy.world avatar

    How’s it not illegal?

    name_NULL111653 ,

    Because Amazon can afford lawyers, and people who work for Amazon can’t…

    It’s only illegal if the person you hurt is rich enough to sue you…

    Adalast ,

    Ding ding ding, it is absolutely illegal. If I’m not mistaken the existence of the posters at all is illegal, not just certain parts. But the labor boards won’t go after them since they are one of the biggest employers in the country for now. Believe me, that won’t last. In the next few years they will have the packing centers 100% automated and eliminate the majority of the 950,000 jobs they “provide”.

    youtu.be/r2VcA7nMJs8?si=858h0BwcIqavhQDp

    name_NULL111653 ,

    Exactly what I mean. It’s illegal, but to them it’s not because they’re so rich that, apparently, they’re now above the law…

    Shialac ,

    murica

    Omega_Haxors ,

    They used to send the actual military to shoot at people attempting to unionize.

    anarchy79 ,
    @anarchy79@lemmy.world avatar

    Crazy that they are using the same tactics to hinder unionizing that they used a hundred years ago.

    guacupado ,

    “Have to go through a union instead of a supervisor or manager.”

    Like anyone wants to go to an Amazon manager.

    const_void ,

    That was my first thought. Sounds like a great benefit.

    NBJack ,

    “Hey Manager Amy Zone, can I have a bit of time off for my leg to heal? It was just partially crushed by a stack of Prime Day boxes.”

    “Employee 3869310, in the time it took you to get across the warehouse to ask me that dumbass question, you just used up the last of your bathroom breaks for the day. As an act of mercy, here’s my empty Amazon Basics Hyrdration Drink bottle. Just try not to piss all over the floor when you use it. Now get your ass back to work!”

    random65837 ,

    There’s also the fact that that’s not true.

    DrownedRats ,
    @DrownedRats@lemmy.world avatar

    Obligatory, “if a company is trying to convince you you don’t need a union, you need a union”.

    MrTulip ,

    Unions are like condoms, in that regard.

    DeathWearsANecktie ,

    Yes, union life is for you. JOIN A UNION!

    JokeDeity ,

    I thought this was against the law?

    bhamlin ,

    Passive posters like this aren’t. Actively intimidating potential members is. And interfering with a vote is super illegal.

    But posters aren’t.

    LilDestructiveSheep ,
    @LilDestructiveSheep@lemmy.world avatar

    As long as you don’t get caught, there’s no one to blame. That’s what they do.

    Ryumast3r ,

    Amazon denied that they were doing it as a company (of course they did).

    Luckily, the union won this election and it was certified in january of this year

    LilDestructiveSheep ,
    @LilDestructiveSheep@lemmy.world avatar

    100% they did.

    random65837 ,

    There’s nothing illegal about putting up a poster with nonsense on it. People like to over react on those. Putting up a question isn’t Union busting.

    13esq ,

    In the UK, any prejudice towards union activities is illegal.

    As a business owner, you could say “I don’t like unionism” etc. But you couldn’t ask your employees to grass up fellow colleagues for talking about unionism.

    random65837 ,

    Yup, pretty much the same here. Most of the things that people flip out about are super vague, harmless, and wouldn’t convince anybody of anything.

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