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601error , to technology in Microsoft will let users uninstall Edge, Bing, and disable ads on Windows 11 as it complies with the Digital Markets Act
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Only in Europe. For the rest of us, they will make sure to leave in all the enshittification that Makes Windows Worse Again.

NickwithaC ,
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I wonder if you could VPN into the EU and run windows update to get rid of the shit and if it would come back once you closed the connection.

800XL ,

That’s the first thing I thought of too. How awesome would that be to be able to uninstall all that garbage?

That being said, there has to be registry values that are set to flag it in the OS. Friends in the EU need to make a backup of the registry before updating and then check afterwards to see what changed.

Brandon ,

Dude excellent idea. Regshot before and after. It could be something as simple as a user running a registry editing script.

glibg10b ,

The country is chosen while installing Windows. Currently, if you use Windows International, you already lose a bunch of bloatware

Kecessa ,

Pretty sure you can just change your regional settings, I always install selecting English UK and I’ve never seen most of the shit people post on Lemmy.

nutsack , to technology in A PR disaster: Microsoft has lost trust with its users, and Windows Recall is the straw that broke the camel's back

it isn’t a nightmare for them. they will be fine. they normalize everything they do

Kroxx ,

Yeah like I hate Microsoft, I am migrating to Linux, and the things I read about recall were pretty fucking horrifying to me. At the end of the day though the general public doesn’t give two shits about tech other than it works out of the box.

Tja ,

I use Arch since 2009 (BTW), but I think I’m planted in reality enough to know that the average user not only doesn’t care, hasn’t even heard about it. This will not even move the needle regarding usage.

Blackmist , to technology in Microsoft wants to update your Windows 11 PC without forcing you to reboot

Had a movie stop playing the other week (I use my PC as a Jellyfin server and watch on a Nvidia Shield in another room). I thought something had crashed, but when I went upstairs to check, it had realised nobody was watching it and fucking rebooted.

Aatube ,
@Aatube@kbin.social avatar

you should probably use a different operating system if you use it as a server

Blackmist ,

If it was only used as a server, then I would. But it isn’t, so I don’t.

cyberpunk007 ,

I use a Manjaro box to game on. And video edit with davinci resolve. And so everything else that I do. Truenas for my NAS.

lud ,

Or use Windows server. It would never do shit like that.

Alternatively you could just not postpone updates for weeks.

Just update your computers and this will never happen.

Lucidlethargy ,

It’s really not a good idea to have a home server you don’t update, assuming it’s accessible outside your network.

Windows updates suck, but they can be delayed to only take place every 6-8 weeks.

Aatube ,
@Aatube@kbin.social avatar

that wasn't what I was saying

Moneo ,

They are probably using their main desktop as their jellyfin server.

cyberpunk007 ,

Linux. Bsd. Etc.

dev_null ,

Living room PC is also used for playing VR games (since living room has the space required). Sadly Windows is the only option.

InFerNo ,

Pure curiosity, I don’t own VR gear, does the Linux steam version not have VR?

dev_null , (edited )

Steam itself does support VR on Linux, but most of the actual hardware (like Meta headsets) don’t have drivers for Linux. The ones that do (Valve Index) are buggy, but not unusable. But even then it doesn’t get you far, because 90% of VR games won’t run on Linux, even with Proton.

So Steam is not the problem. Hardware support and developer support is the problem. Can’t really blame developers for not caring, even if they make their VR game work on Linux almost no one would be able to play it anyway, so why bother. It won’t get anywhere unless hardware manufactures start making actual drivers for their headsets on Linux. Meta practically controls the market and they don’t care, so here we are.

RawrGuthlaf ,

A Steamlink app was added to the Meta store recently. It supposedly allows playing streamed desktop VR. I have been meaning to try it with Steam on my Linux desktop, so I can’t really vouch for it yet, it could just not work. And who knows if Proton works for any specific VR games.

noodlejetski , to technology in Microsoft wants to update your Windows 11 PC without forcing you to reboot

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SnotFlickerman ,

It seems like Microsoft is going through a real phase of “I made this” and they’re adding all these features that were core to Linux since damn near Linux’s inception.

Multiple desktop instances, sudo (which isn’t the same sudo…), and now trying to mimic the rebootless update.

Embrace, Extend, Extinguish when?

maynarkh ,

Embrace, Extend, Extinguish when?

What do you think WSL is trying to be?

deur , (edited )

Um… they’re an OS adding more OS features. Get over yourself, EEE is a real thing but holy fuck stop it.

(WSL is concerning EEE-wise, literally nothing else you listed is a valid complaint)

mathterdark , to technology in Microsoft will let users uninstall Edge, Bing, and disable ads on Windows 11 as it complies with the Digital Markets Act

Only in EU/EEA countries. So us here in Gilead America are SOL at the moment

MediciPrime ,

It’s because of this that I stopped using windows. Now that steam allows Linux gaming I have no need to revert to that os.

jigsaw250 ,

Are multiplayer titles with anti cheat (Call of Duty, Valorant, etc) able to be played yet? It’s the only thing holding me back.

SRo ,

No

TheMadnessKing ,

Adobe and MS Office for me are far bigger reasons for me.

CosmicCleric ,
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Are multiplayer titles with anti cheat

EAC is on Linux now, don’t know about any other ones.

arefx ,

I think its largely dependent on the game and what anti cheat they use.

bluewing , to technology in A PR disaster: Microsoft has lost trust with its users, and Windows Recall is the straw that broke the camel's back

Pfffttt, Microsoft has been there, done this, and got a whole closet full of tee shirts for stuff like this many times over the years. In the end the users don’t care and can’t stop it. And they are, by in large, too lazy to change to something else to completely avoid it.

It hasn’t ever affected the bottom line enough to matter to them. They will just pull this bug feature and wait for a better day. Or perhaps they will figure out a way to introduce it piecemeal to disguise it better.

oo1 ,

My problem is my work provided pc. Will I know when they enable this?

Ideally i’ll resign before that happens.

Teknikal , to technology in A PR disaster: Microsoft has lost trust with its users, and Windows Recall is the straw that broke the camel's back

All I want from an Os is to launch my programs of choice and not suck up my battery running unnecessary junk I couldn’t care less about.

MIDItheKID ,

The worst part is that Windows can do that, but Microsoft insists on enshittifying it. Like Windows 11 isn’t that terrible if it wasn’t for all of the data collection and advertisements and other shit.

I miss the Windows 7 days where you could download a stripped down ISO that was just the OS. It launched your programs of choice and didn’t suck up your battery running unnecessary junk.

nossaquesapao ,

Last week, I went to a friend’s house and asked to use her computer, which is still a core 2 duo with 2gb of ram and an hdd, running win7. I was a bit surprised to see her family having it as their only computer, but more surprised to see how fast it was. I expected to have the most laggish experience of my life, but it was… smooth. I’ve used machines with much modern low end cpus, more ram and ssds that performed much worse than that on win10. The enshittification is real.

MIDItheKID ,

Yup. I can say for sure that SSDs were certainly a game changer, but now we have systems with like 10x the processing power that operate at the same speeds because the power has been spent on poorly optimized code and bloatware.

Sigh… I’m going to have to start fucking around with Linux, aren’t I?

bluewing ,

Yeah, the signs are starting to manifest. You will embrace the penguin at some point to get what you desire.

modifier , to technology in A PR disaster: Microsoft has lost trust with its users, and Windows Recall is the straw that broke the camel's back

You can only piss on our faces and tell us it is raining for so long.

FilthyShrooms ,

“It’s raining, I see” says the blind man as he pisses into the wind

SnotFlickerman , to technology in Microsoft wants to update your Windows 11 PC without forcing you to reboot

Even if Windows does this, trust me, if you have any Razer products, Razer will fill in the gaps for them.

That shit restarts my Windows machine nearly every fucking day.

helpImTrappedOnline ,

I love that the Razer installer pops up during windows intital setup. Seriously, chill out Razer, I don’t want to sign in to you while I’m bypassing the Microsoft forced sign in.

elvith ,

It looks like you changed the position of your mouse cursor. Would you like to reboot to apply these changes?

Lucidlethargy ,

This is an odd comment. I use a Razer keyboard and mouse and I’ve never experienced this. What products are you using?

Edit: Thi said, I HATE how Razer and Nvidia make you sign in to update things. Like, REALLY hate that. They even force two factor on us. Like… Why the fuck do I care about account security for either of those?

SnotFlickerman ,

You can update Razer by signing in as Guest and not actually logging in. I think it is the same with Nvidia. They just eant you to think you need to log in.

QuaternionsRock ,

I didn’t looking it that much, but while “continue as guest” is a prominent option in Razer Synapse, I was unable to get GeForce Experience to let me install updates without signing in.

It’s whatever though, you can install and update to relatively recent Nvidia drivers with the CUDA winget package. Now that I think about it, around 95% of my Windows software is installed through winget these days. I’m a big fan.

SnotFlickerman ,

I run a main box that I still dual-boot between Linux and Windows, and the rest of my boxes are Linux. I’m definitely skeptical of Microsoft’s drive in adding these tools other than to try to unseat Linux dominance in server settings, but for real, some of the stuff they’ve been adding is pretty tits, like winget for example.

QuaternionsRock ,

I don’t think there are malicious intentions behind winget. Aside from the fact that it’s objectively useless for server configuration, Windows Server lost to Linux in terms of performance per dollar a long time ago. The target use case for winget seems to have been spinning up new employee PCs, but I’m not confident that it would be wise to use it for that.

It’s also shockingly simple for a package manager. Nearly all of the “packages” simply download the software’s installer from the official website and silently execute it. You can see (and add to) all of the package configs here. It’s literally a GitHub monorepo lmao

Edit: here is the one for Steam, for example. The whole thing is 63 lines of yaml.

nightwatch_admin , to technology in Google and Microsoft consume more energy than 100+ countries | Windows Central

“While nuclear fusion seems like the perfect solution for AI’s power needs due to its non-existent impact on the environment…”

nonexistent is key here.

BearOfaTime ,

Well, it’s definitely non-existant…

slaacaa ,

Non-existent power source for a non-existent tech, a match made in heaven

(meaning what they hype as AI is actually mostly just LLM)

bbuez ,

Second law of thermodynamics would like to chime in, even with such a perfect nonexistent power source, waste heat is still an issue… which you can radiate to space, which would take tremendous land use to facilitate…

Or we use that land and capital and effort for solar power, which exists and could power practically everything in our lives, minus AI. Sounds like a win to me.

(Also not to mention the necessity to fire up more fossils for this shit to compensate for the current lack of miracle power for their pipe dreams)

explodicle ,

“A drop in the bucket” would be an overstatement here.

Cosmicomical , to technology in A PR disaster: Microsoft has lost trust with its users, and Windows Recall is the straw that broke the camel's back

I don’t want to be the guy that always says Linux, but… …Linux

dumpsterlid ,

It is okay to be the person that always recommends Linux, especially if you are a kind person with the patience to explain things to people in approachable terms (and you don’t just scream at people SOMEBODY ALREADY ASKED THIS QUESTION USE SEARCH whenever a newbie walks in the door and asks the obvious questions a newbie would ask).

Now is the time, Linux is pulled up out front waiting to pick us up (with bags packed) and Microsoft is loudly shitting the bed upstairs, NOW is the time to walk straight out the front door, jump in the car with Linux and never look back. We owe it to Microsoft’s long relationship with consumers to leave Microsoft sitting confused on the porcelain throne wondering why they were abandoned and where all the toilet paper is (we are the toilet paper in this metaphor).

FilthyCheese ,

Most people aren’t going to bother when the specific software they want to use aren’t supported.

explodicle ,

Microsoft has been relying on that for >20 years now and it’s starting to show signs of strain.

FilthyCheese ,

I’ve heard this before.

explodicle ,

So you don’t think there’s a straw breaking the camel’s back?

FilthyCheese ,

I think people are happy to eat shit. They’ll complain about it, sure. But they’ll slurp it up like ice cream.

Otherwise, MTX heavy games wouldn’t be rewarded so heavily.

Early on, you’ll see some movement. Some people will transfer to Linux - most will go back. A bunch of outraged threads.

But it will die down. People will just accept it. They always do. They always will.

dumpsterlid , (edited )

But it will die down. People will just accept it. They always do. They always will.

I understand the frustration and cynicism that comes from wanting something to happen and waiting a good stretch of your life for it to do so but I am sorry, this is not reflective of reality.

Don’t mistake your own fatigue for the behavior of people in general.

Support for software on Linux or Wine is now orders of magnitude more complete and functional than it was 5-10 years ago. There are fundamental changes going on, just because we operated in a paradigm that suffocated the possibility of Linux adoption in the past doesn’t mean that paradigm will continue indefinitely.

There is a difference between being permanently powerless and being powerless under a certain arrangement of forces and actors.

We are entering a period of the status quo being smashed for better or worse in almost every dimension of our lives, what was likely to happen in the past 20 years does not reliably predict what is likely to happen in the next 20 years.

There is actually a true opening for Linux here in a way there never has been.

Cosmicomical ,

Well they said the same about AI and at some point it became true enough to be a problem

FilthyCheese ,

I’m trying to see a correlation.

Cosmicomical ,

True but there is less and less stuff that you cannot do properly on linux.

dumpsterlid ,

I mean… how big really is the category of software tasks that you can’t properly do on Linux in 2024? I feel like it is getting to the point where you do genuinely have to be specific about what Linux can’t do that is a dealbreaker for you rather than just falling back on “Linux can’t do what people need to do” as a general criticism of it.

Windows can’t do what people need it to do, and it fails to do so while sucking up your private data (which if you work at a business with confidential information IS a dealbreaker). At least when Linux fails it usually isn’t simultaneously violating the IT security structure of your organization….

The funny thing is businesses and government entities can’t even claim with a straight face that they can trust Microsoft to adhere to the meager insufficient data privacy laws that do exist when there is zero evidence Microsoft would behave that way based on the track record even if the financial penalties for failing to do so were actually real to the ruling class and not just theoretical thought experiments that involve a slap on the wrist or more like a light tickling with a feather on the nose.

Cosmicomical ,

Oh i totally agree with you. I have a feeling that the only real obstacle on the way out from windows is proprietary software, especially adobe and some custom apps for specific hardware.

Cosmicomical ,

SOMEBODY ALREADY ASKED THIS QUESTION USE SEARCH

I don’t understand this approach, if you don’t want to answer, just don’t answer. Why would you waste time writing that you won’t answer?

Sawzall ,

I will not answer this. Just search.

Cosmicomical ,

I thought you were a search engine.

piecat ,

HISTTIMEFORMAT="%d/%m/%y %T "

Then

history | grep -i “09/06/2024”

I_Miss_Daniel ,

Yeah but there’s like 20 of them, and many are half-baked. How is a n00b to choose one?

Cosmicomical ,

Ubuntu is fine for all uses, and so are some of the others

I_Miss_Daniel ,

Not sure about that. They try to get you to sign up for services, and they deliberately broke something with installing from certain file types.

Cosmicomical ,

It’s still perfectly functional and easy to use, just say no if they ask you to sign up to a service, if you come from windows you’ll ve surprised of how easy it is to dismiss those offers

afraid_of_zombies , to technology in A PR disaster: Microsoft has lost trust with its users, and Windows Recall is the straw that broke the camel's back

Just think they might go from owning 98% of the market to 97% of the market. I am sure this is a nightmare for them.

widw ,

You just wait and see. I’ll bet it goes all the way down to 96 and then they’ll really be sorry.

Crashumbc ,

Year of the Linux destktop!

mojofrododojo ,

MS’s frequent missteps - win11, total recall, ai inescapable etc., - may just finally catch up with them. While they continue to devour game studios and shut them down for irrational reasons, who knows?

Stop being so negative and open your mind. Hell, MS did, you can use bash on the command line now. Times do change.

Tryptaminev ,

Gradual shifts can snowball into huge shifts. a few years ago Linux gaming only existed for the dedicated crowd, that somehow managed to make it work. Now for many it is no different from their Windows experience for most games, sometimes even better.

Think of it like bubbles pressing against each other. It matters not only how much pressure your own bubble has, but also how much pressure the other bubbles have in finding the equilibrium. The Windows bubble isn’t only weakening itself, the Linux bubble is getting stronger and stronger

MagicShel ,

For me, gaming was the one thing holding me back from really adopting Linux. When I got a PS5, I felt the time was right to make the switch, but I’ve been pleasantly surprised to find pretty much my whole Steam library works fine on Linux. VR still doesn’t work for me, but it seems to be getting there.

There is still a lot of googling and frustration involved in using and maintaining it, but I’m slowly learning through exposure. There is nothing I want to do on a PC any more that I need windows for. If the auto update stuff worked better, I’d probably recommend it to everyone. But I’ve tried both Mint and Ubuntu and the software updater constantly runs into issues very quickly after install. I’m guessing because of all the different ways to install software, but I can’t understand why it doesn’t just apt update/upgrade behind the scenes because that seems to work just fine.

lastweakness ,

But I’ve tried both Mint and Ubuntu and the software updater constantly runs into issues very quickly after install.

I have a Blue-Build based custom distro (not many customisations tbh), that I’m planning to ship for my sister as well as me. So far, updates have been painless because it’s just one base image overwriting the other. I have a feeling that that’s where Linux distros in general is headed. I can imagine Bazzite being just right for you if you’re into gaming.

MagicShel ,

Primarily I use my Linux box for development, but I do like to game on the PC from time to time. And then also I like to connect to oculus for SteamVR. I haven’t been able to do that since I got off windows. Yeah, I could dual boot or whatever, but I just don’t want to.

I’ll look into Bazzite because maybe I can move my kids’ computer to Linux as well. They do nothing but game/discord on theirs.

c0ber ,

i assume you mean that sarcastically but that is a nightmare for them and every bit of lost marketshare makes it easier to lose more

JackbyDev ,

Hey, if it makes some SVP not get their quarterly bonus then maybe we’ll see a marginal change for sex months! Maybe!

CaptPretentious , to technology in A PR disaster: Microsoft has lost trust with its users, and Windows Recall is the straw that broke the camel's back

This is status quo for every large corporation. Microsoft, Apple, Amazon, EVERY SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORM, Roku… They all, ALL, push boundaries to see what they can get away with to not only sell you something, but also make you the thing they sell. Sometimes they’re bold enough to make it public what they’re doing, sometimes, it’s a leak that happens when people find out how little the company actually cares about it’s users (Apple, so many user data leaks).

Shelbyeileen ,
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My bigger concern is that almost every company now has it in their contracts/terms of services, that all users are not allowed to participate in a lawsuit, be it class action, or court case against them Most of them even have a maximum sue limit too! There’s a lot that have a rule that initial arbitration cannot have a lawyer, but that won’t be enforced.

Aecosthedark ,

Is that a valid and enforceable clause though, even if i clicked “i agree”?

Nommer ,

Of course not. But it won’t stop them from trying or spending billions on legal fees to avoid paying out a tiny fraction of that.

asdfasdfasdf ,

It should be illegal to include unenforceable clauses in any TOS or contract since it deceitfully implies it means something.

Crashumbc ,

Should be, yes. I’m pretty sure it’s not in the US though. It’s pretty common here.

ripcord ,
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No.

Wiz , (edited )

Sorry, this may be unpopular, but software license click-through agreements are enforceable.

Source: I’m not a lawyer, but worked in a software contracts office with lawyers, so some of it ruined off. Essentially your legal options are, use the software according to the license agreement, or don’t use the software.

A third option would be, I guess, use open source software so you don’t deal with that bullshit.

Edit: Part of it is wrapped up in the Uniform Commercial Code, which is a whole bundle of standard laws which is quite complex. Basically you pays your money, and you get a thing, but there are all sports of knobs and levers to handle every contingency. You can nope out of the transaction, but you don’t get the thing.

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  • Wiz ,

    Maybe?

    Again, I’m not a lawyer, but I’ve read a lot of EULAs.

    However, to challenge that, your have to sue Microsoft, against their team of super-lawyers, the best that Microsoft could buy. And you’d have to do it in the jurisdiction started in the license agreement, which is undoubtedly friendly to Microsoft. And you’d have to have some sort of standing, meaning you have suffered some actual damage from the thing you arguing against, and that you want remedied. So you sue for damages, but it can only be for the amount that you were actually damaged, which is problematic - especially for free Microsoft software. But for paid software, I’m sure there’s a return/refund clause which would make you whole.

    And you are paying your own lawyer to Microsoft, right? How long do you plan to sue Microsoft? I guarantee they have deeper pockets than you, and can outlast you in court. And remember if you lose the lawsuit, you will probably be countersued for the cost of their lawyers.

    Basically the EULAs are written by Microsoft’s very expensive lawyers. Other corporations cower in fear of Microsoft’s lawyers; I know the ones in my office did. And the rewards you’d get would be a Pyrrhic victory at best. “Do you feel lucky, punk?”

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  • Wiz ,

    Yes, and if you ask a lawyer, they’ll say “it depends”.

    And the thing it usually depends on, is “how much money you got?” 😎

    TheOakTree ,

    I love it when Apple pushes advertising that touts their focus on privacy… when in reality, they’re breaching user privacy in all the ways that every other company does.

    dan ,
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    A big reason Apple focuses on privacy and apps not being able to track the user is because they want to keep all that data for themselves. None of the restrictions they’ve introduced apply to first-party apps. It gives them ad targeting data that no other company can collect. They do have their own ad network (for things like ads in the App Store), and last I heard, they wanted to expand it.

    far_university1990 , to technology in What is Windows 11 'AI Explorer'? Everything you need to know about Microsoft's upcoming defining AI PC feature (including it always watching you)

    Everything you need to know

    Is to delete windows 11

    FrowingFostek , to pcgaming in Ubisoft and NVIDIA are working together on AI-generated NPCs for upcoming games

    I like the idea of these companies dumping all this money into a technology to replace people, only for people to not buy the product that tried to replace people.

    gravitas_deficiency ,

    Honestly, companies that pull that sort of shit kinda do deserve to die

    FrowingFostek ,

    Yes and when real AI is developed, they won’t like what it has to say about your current economic system, so they’ll pull the plug. If this situation hasn’t already happened unbeknownst to us.

    HowManyNimons ,

    Ubisoft systematically abuse their human employees. Maybe this is a good use case for AI.

    ILikeBoobies ,

    We all know people aren’t going to turn away

    FrowingFostek ,

    They will, LLMs have no soul. I will always know I’m speaking to a Language model. True AI will be revolutionary, this imposter will fall flat.

    PonyOfWar ,

    Normal NPCs don’t have souls either TBF.

    FrowingFostek ,

    Right, normal NPCs are written by people.

    PonyOfWar , (edited )

    These NPCs would have to be written by people too. Otherwise you’d just get ChatGPT. Depending on complexity, it might even require more writing work.

    FrowingFostek ,

    I like to think writers pour their souls into their work. LLMs are an amalgamation of other people’s work not the work of a person creating a character. Your argument is NPCs don’t have souls, obviously that’s an objective truth. I’m just saying give me the SOUL.

    PonyOfWar ,

    Again, the character would still be written and defined by a human writer, pouring their soul into it just like they would a “dumb” NPC. I don’t see how that “soul” is lost by giving that human-written character the capability to naturally respond to language.

    FrowingFostek ,

    This is exhausting. I don’t think LLMs are capable of making a captivating enough character. Nothing I’ve seen thus far has led me to believe they have the capacity for creativity. That is what I consider soul.

    Which I believe people and only people can achieve at this moment in time.

    Potatos_are_not_friends ,

    Ideally wait for it to be on sale.

    Ubisoft games drop in price pretty fast.

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