…am I misunderstanding the distance between israel and gaza or am I misunderstanding how nukes work? This sounds like a really bad plan unless I’m wrong about something.
Not an expert by any means, but nukes can get smaller than one would think. The fallout would be the most dangerous thing for Israel, in both the physical and political sense.
How the last ceasefires went, settlers continued to raid and stole land, food, shelter and belongings, escorted by Israeli military for “security”, and any attempt at resistance Israel could point the finger at “Hamas breaking the ceasefire”. Or they were just shot dead.
Given that Hamas does not operate in the West Bank I’m dubious that what you are describing in a West Bank hypothetical would occur. Illegal settlements in the West Bank are awful and should be stopped by Israel - but they are not directly tied to the current conflict with Hamas.
Right, but I’m saying a peace deal in Gaza should include Israel’s activities in West Bank, because they are needless casualties of Israel’s continued aggression in and around Jenin since July, and only escalated further in retaliation of the October massacre. They aren’t disconnected, even if Hamas doesn’t operate there.
Israel should stop settlements in the West Bank because its the right thing to do. However if I were a Palestinian in Gaza and a peace deal was derailed because Hamas was refusing to agree without West Bank settlement concessions I’d be pretty pissed.
That being said given that Hamas broke the last ceasefire agreement, and their stated goal is to conduct other attacks like Oct 7th, I’m not sure how a ceasefire could be reached even on narrow grounds.
What’s strange is that they are currently in the hospital and are failing to provide any evidence of that tunnel network. All they seem to do is find magically “find a stash of weapons that Hamas surely just forgot” but none of those tunnels they keep talking about
Bro they showed a elevator shaft in a shot up building 200metres from a hospital, didn’t zoom down the shaft.
Stop claiming they showed evidence. They did not. Everything israel shows keeps getting debunked in like 6 hours. You’re just IDF shilling if you repeat this shit.
Sure it can. Now if only they would lower the camera into the shaft or descend the ladder so we could see this amazing tunnel network! Surely this deceisive evidence would be presented as soon as they could right?
We know there are tunnels. Even Hamas has shown their own tunnels.
The claim here is that there is a giant Hamas command center with tunnels underneath the hospital which is the excuse israel used to bomb the hospital. The killed hospital staff said there are no tunnels there.
They said they had conclusive evidence before the bombing. So far we’re seeing very little evicence of israeli war crimes and it looks like they were just terror bombing civilians in a hospital.
Israel has the most modern weapons out there I do not believe in mistakes. Especially since they called the hospitals multiple times to say they were going to bomb them and they all needed to evacuate (see magically disappear)
America wanted Hamas in Qatar to not have to talk through Iran.
Aljazeera is plenty credible. While their fact checking can leave to be desired, they are not fabricating evidence like the IDF is. Furthermore almost all journalists reporting in Gaza show video evidence. You seem to ignore that I specifically pointed out that the call does NOT have video evidence and thus is not the most credible source, though it is very likely that it is true.
Hamas is not blocking any supplies. Only israel is blocking supplies.
You can blame Hamas for Oct 7 because they did that, but blaming literally everything israel does on Hamas is nonsense.
You’re literally arguing with someone who denies that the IDF bombs hospitals. All I’m saying is that lemmy.ml would’ve banned his ass for repeatedly denying established facts…
At the end of the article they point out that they don’t know how many of the reported casualties on the Palestinian side are Hamas fighters, but at the same time don’t do the same with the Israelian casualties, and I believe around 300 were IDF soldiers.
Apart from that I think at least they are reasonable and also seem to be critical to their government’s handling of the crisis.
And it is saddening what is happening in the West bank with the silent approval of authorities and army, that’s called oppression and racism and isn’t a good start for a much needed peaceful process.
There are no Hamas on the West bank I’m told. They are restricted to Gaza and that’s why it was an open air prison. These are just Palestinians that live and work there, but are not connected to Gaza.
Besides that, they moved all the real soldiers and reservists to the frontline and allowed among others, settlers to do the policing in the region with maybe 1 IDF person in charge when shit happens. I truly believe that’s the reason why we’re seeing this. It’s assholes driving around, looking for Palestinians torturing and killing them. Afterwards it’s always in self defense.
The real shame is that Israel’s attack in response to the recent terror attack has been closer to proportionate than its “retaliations” over the past decades.
Of course it does, just like any other nation. In this case, the extreme islamists don’t care about geopolitical resources like land or oil. They care about exterminating Jews. Plain and simple. If Hamas had free reign, they would execute every last person on planet earth, including you, unless you converted to Islam. It’s in their ideology–dying in a holy war against non-muslims is the ticket to eternal life. That’s literally what they believe. And because of that, they sew chaos and terror wherever they go.
Clearly the large majority of muslims do not believe this way. But the extremists do, and that’s how history is made. The peaceful, normal civilians who’d rather just live their lives, aren’t the decision makers. And of course this all traces back to a long series of stupid decisions and badly drawn maps after the world wars. But make no mistake, Hamas is no different than Nazi Germany in their desire to exterminate Jews, and eventually they will need to be dealt with in exactly the same way.
Exactly. No issues with moderates, but moderates aren’t the ones suicide-bombing and throwing suspected gays off the top of buildings. An Islamic society creates safe spaces for the extremists, and the extremists will do whatever they can to take power.
Other Muslims are the ones targeted most by Islamist extremists. It’s in the Muslims’ best interest that they be kept a minority and out of power. There is insurmountable evidence that when the majority is Muslim, life gets worse for everyone, women’s rights are stripped away, and freedom of thought and religion is gone.
Quite similar to how if Scientology became mainstream we would all be worse off.
There is insurmountable evidence that when the majority is Muslim, life gets worse for everyone, women’s rights are stripped away, and freedom of thought and religion is gone.
Quite similar to how if Scientology became mainstream we would all be worse off.
The last sentence hints both might have a common cause whis is not “being Muslim”. I think it might be “being extremist”. The opposite would be a pluralist society, which embraces diversity and encourages respectful coexistence and exchange.
This then also includes the rise of right-wing populists in democracies all over the world, with exactly the same consequences as you said.
My friend, these anti-Israel zealots won’t be happy unless Israel just rolls over and lets Hamas kill Jews without consequence.
The anti-Israel crowd thinkd Israel is the devil of it fights back.
They think Israel is the devil, if, as you mentioned, they call buildings ahead of time, and give people time to evacuate, before Israel bombs terrorist. Headquarters, because I guess they think Palestinian buildings are more important than Israeli lives.
They think Israel is the devil if they build a security fence to keep our suicide bombers.
Mostly they think Israel is the devil because Israel offered the most general peace deal in history, but refuse to give Palestinian’s the Right of Return, which would have allowed Palestinians to claim voting rights, and literally vote to turn Israel into an anti-Jewish theocracy.
Now… Most of the people HERE haven’t the foggiest clue about any of that. And if you talked them through the situation and the options, they’d understand that Israel does not now, nor have they ever had a partner on the Palestinian side with which to make peace. They want Israel gone, full stop. And you can’t make peace with people who believe in literally no situations in which you still exist at the end.
Israel, on the other hand has showed throughout it’s history that it will do extraordinary things for peace. They gave up land for peace with Egypt. They have offered extraordinary concessions.
But the people who really needed to read this downvoted me in the first paragraph and are already typing a rant.
yup precisely. well, im with you, and so is more than 50% of the internet i think lemmy.world world news sub seems to have a particularly high proportion of 23 year old basement dwellers who’ve never suffered a day in their lives
This is after it turned out that Israel's accusation was a lie, as is usually the case. This man will go down in November and drag the rest of the world with him.
Israel isn’t a democracy. They even stopped pretending in 2018 when they passed the Nation-State law and officially became an apartheid state. Parts of the law say:
“The right to exercise national self-determination in the State of Israel is unique to the Jewish people.”
“The state views the development of Jewish settlement as a national value and will act to encourage and promote its establishment and consolidation.”
It also made Hebrew the official language downgraded Arabic to a language that could be accommodated.
It’s like considering the U.S. a democracy before the Indian Citizenship Act of 1924. (America still wasn’t a modern democracy at that point because of Jim Crow laws but at least Native Americans were theoretically considered citizens instead of a separate people who lived in special zones.)
Inquiry into Detention in the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.
These guys are no joke, they have done this before. But more importantly, the comment that got them suspended?
“We are very disheartened by the social media that is controlled largely by, whether it is the Jewish lobby or it is specific NGOs, a lot of money is being thrown into trying to discredit us,” he said in the interview.
But above all that, the excuse that Israel is using is:
When asked by The Times of Israel what these claims were based on, Haiat said, “The commission of inquiry is there to investigate Israel without any time limits, unlike any other commission of inquiry from the UN system.
Keep in mind, not even the investigation team knows how long it will take, so of course there won't be a time frame. And they work for the UN, why do they need one?
timesofisrael.com
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