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thbb , to world in Israel, US said working to prevent ICC arrest warrant against Netanyahu

Too bad neither Israel nor the US are member of the ICC. That gives them far less leverage, even though they will likely put pressure on some weaker members of the ICC.

gravitas_deficiency , (edited ) to technology in Promoted on TikTok, ‘No Thanks’ boycott app targets products tied to Israel

Edit2:

https://media0.giphy.com/media/3o85g2ttYzgw6o661q/giphy.gif

Please ignore me. It’s the age rating. 🙃

Was launched by Palestinian graduate student Ahmed Bashbash last Novemberhttps://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/51e3c268-b24f-4739-8dd1-cabdc71c11f2.jpeg

🤔

Edit:

To clarify: the point I’m making is that I did an absolutely trivial, cursory accuracy check on one of the central points of the timeline of the article, and it was immediately and obviously discernible as false.

But seriously, don’t take my word for it. Check it yourself.

And yeah, the Israeli government these days is comically hypersensitive to stuff like this, i agree. I just have made a habit of checking easily verifiable facts like this, and trying to point out where I observe discrepancies. Sometimes it’s nothing; sometimes it’s something, but not really a related issue. Sometimes it’s highly pertinent. Regardless, I think it’s a good thing to point out, simply in the interest of showing others how easy it is to increase your media literacy and detect hinky propaganda-leaning ”journalism” that seems to be getting a lot more common these days across the political spectrum. (Addendum) And sometimes I am not as careful as I should be and I point out something entirely unrelated :D

ModernRisk ,
@ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

The text is from the TimesOfIsrael website, so blame them for being wrong.

Screenshot of TimesOfIsrael

What matters is that the app exists and helps to boycot and from what I understood is that Israel wants to see it banned.

Heni_meat_smasher_69 ,

Nice ads

Phanatik ,

The Age rating is who can use the App, not how long it's been up.

Spiralvortexisalie ,

Thats an age rating (like for content like Movies with Violence), the version history shows v1.0 came out 3 months ago

gravitas_deficiency ,

Yes, you’re right; edited to reflect that. My mistake.

Linkerbaan OP ,
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  • gravitas_deficiency ,

    Nah I just looked at the wrong thing because I rarely download new apps and am apparently unfamiliar with the AppStore interface lol

    Diabolo96 , to technology in Promoted on TikTok, ‘No Thanks’ boycott app targets products tied to Israel

    The website you link being timesofisrael is a bit ironic. Great app nonetheless! If they’re writing about it then it’s working and is among the most probable reasons of the tiktok ban

    technocrit ,

    The campaign against TikTok isn’t so much ironic but more an organized campaign against journalism, free speech, truth, etc.

    WamGams ,

    Tik tok is not a journalism app. China does not have free speech, nor do they export it, and if what they are telling you is true, than let’s talk about the genocide of the Uyghurs.

    ech ,

    Yes, the legislation that’s been in discussion for years is because of this app released 5 months ago. That’s definitely how cause and effect works.

    Diabolo96 , (edited )

    Damn, so it’s been discussed for years but nothing happened. Israel commit atrocities (like always ) but unlike it’s other domestic media, the US government and some of its billionaires can’t censor, lie and push their narrative anymore, so the youth finally see the truth about the genocidal apartheid, ethno-state that is Israel. Now, they ban tiktok.

    This is just another perspective you haven’t thought about, or don’t want to think about because of it’s morbid implications about your country (if you’re from USA)

    andrewrgross ,

    I don’t think they mean that tiktok is being banned over this app specifically: I just interpreted their comment to mean that tiktok has been an ongoing nuisance to the American mainstream political establishment.

    andrewrgross ,

    I find the Times of Israel to be a decent source. They’re obviously biased in favor of Israel, but it’s not behind a paywall and they’re far more informative than The NY Post, for instance. I think they seem less biased then the WSJ, frankly.

    Overall, a useful insight into mainstream discourse in Israel with fairly accurate reporting.

    Diabolo96 , (edited )

    Okey, but let’s put it in another context. would you trust a British colonizer owned newspaper with its news articles exclusively being written by other white colonizers during the 80s Apartheid era south Africa ? Would you consider it to be a decent source of what’s happening in South Africa and what’s happening to the black population ? Heck, apartheid era south Africa wasn’t even an ethno-state and wasn’t doing a grand scale genocide. It’s more akin to a nazi Germany newspaper.

    andrewrgross ,

    Obviously not. But that’s true to some degree for all news sources. I don’t blindly trust any newspaper. I read Times of Israel through a lens of context, just like I do for the NY Times, The Guardian, The Intercept, etc.

    I think it’s incredibly useful to see what a country reads about itself. Not only is that true even for countries engaged atrocities: it’s especially true for countries engaged in atrocities.

    Deceptichum , to world in Israel, US said working to prevent ICC arrest warrant against Netanyahu
    @Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Once again Biden is protecting and thus enabling genocide.

    juicy ,

    Vote genocide, no matter who!

    Cuttlefish1111 , to technology in Promoted on TikTok, ‘No Thanks’ boycott app targets products tied to Israel

    Great effort and execution. Wonderful job. We also need one to identify Koch products and halt project 2025. They want to do terrible things.

    evasive_chimpanzee ,

    There was an app called Buycott that lets you join “campaigns” of things you are either for or against, and when you scan something, it tells you which positive and which negative campaigns apply to that product and the company as a whole. Koch was on there. Seems like it may have been abandoned years ago, though.

    AshMan85 , to world in Israel, US said working to prevent ICC arrest warrant against Netanyahu

    Little Hitler should be arrested.

    ModernRisk , (edited ) to technology in Promoted on TikTok, ‘No Thanks’ boycott app targets products tied to Israel
    @ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    I have the app and the developer is a Palestinian himself. I genuinely hope it survives, the app helps a lot to boycot products that deal with Israel.

    It’s unfortunate to see that so many products have deals with Israel. Some products are sadly impossible to avoid.

    Here’s a screenshot about the app from within the app itself

    Thi No Thanks Origin Story

    The app on the AppStore (IOS): No Thanks App

    EDIT: apologies, should’ve read your post in its entirety. You already mentioned the developer was a Palestinian.

    Salix ,

    I find it interesting that it didn’t get review bombed on Apple.

    On the Google Play Store, it’s pretty bad

    play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bashsof…

    AllNewTypeFace ,
    @AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space avatar

    Interesting how the App Store page doesn’t mention Israel or Palestine.

    x4740N , to technology in Promoted on TikTok, ‘No Thanks’ boycott app targets products tied to Israel
    @x4740N@lemmy.world avatar

    Is the app open source ?

    Linkerbaan OP ,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    I can’t find info on that so I am guessing at the moment it’s not. Though it seems to be more of a small volunteer project than a big group effort for now.

    WamGams ,

    Hint: if an aoo is collecting your data and tracking you, as this app does, it is not open source.

    This implies they are selling your data to brokers.

    fawanen ,

    No it doesn’t.

    WamGams ,

    It doesn’t collect your data or it isn’t selling that data?

    Another user on this very thread pointed out the specific trackers being used by the app. Unless that person is lying about them collecting the data, they will almost certainly be selling it.

    That’s the thing about data collection: its a lot of money to store. How are they funding the operation unless turning you into the product?

    fawanen ,

    Look up specifically what Admob, Crashlytics, and Firebase analytics track.

    That’s the thing about data collection: its a lot of money to store. How are they funding the operation unless turning you into the product?

    Are you referring to data on users, or data on the products this app tracks? The app doesn’t need to store user data beyond what is required for it to function. Even if it stored such data, each user will only take up kilobytes to maybe a few megabytes because it’s just text data.

    As for the data on the products, by far the largest files would be images. The rest is just text data.

    Standard Google Cloud Storage is $0.20/GB per month. There’s no need for this app to store 16k+ photos, so the actual storage costs are negligible.

    WamGams ,

    Let’s hope you are right. I personally think an app of this nature should be fully open source.

    Linkerbaan OP ,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    It claims " no data collection" in the play store

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/701d8db2-f76e-4573-ad54-ce323f9d54bf.jpeg

    WamGams ,

    That is great.

    But I also think leftists should not be downloading protest apps directly through google, because they have that data.

    We need to better expose protest movements to things like fdroid and how to combat the surveillance they carry in their pocket.

    Short termz the app seems like a good thing, but we need to move away from google play long term.

    Artemis ,

    Looks like it has Google AdMob, CrashLytics, and Firebase Analytics trackers…as well as FB Share according to Exodus. While I totally support the cause, this app is definitely tracking/profiting off of it’s users behind the scenes.

    sugar_in_your_tea ,

    Sure, but is it open source?

    fawanen ,

    He doesn’t know but still wanted to feel useful.

    Artemis ,

    Day old account with tonnes of down votes and attacking people just trying to help…you are very clearly a troll. Also, I must be a guy since I’m commenting about tech? 🙄

    fawanen ,

    I’m guessing you have no idea what those technologies do.

    Google Admob is literally for serving ads.

    Crashlytics is for monitoring crashes.

    Firebase analytics is for monitoring firebase usage, which is required for things like push notifications when using firebase.

    Try uploading an app to the Google Play store yourself before you spread FUD on matters you know nothing about.

    Artemis ,

    I pointed out the trackers that are included in this app for full transparency…not everyone likes having Google and Facebook on their phone. The inclusion of these trackers also hint that the app isn’t open source, which was the initial question. I’m not sure any of this called for such an inflammatory response…

    lunarul ,

    How are crashlytics and firebase analytics profiting off of users? I cannot imagine not including those in an app you’re actually hoping to improve.

    Artemis ,

    There are other privacy-respecting trackers that could be used for app improvement. At the end of the day, Google profits from the data collected here, and Lemmy has a big community of users looking to avoid this. Tangentially, Google also has massive contracts with the Israeli military that have recently come under fire in the news…just another reason to use different app-improvement trackers if the goal is to truly boycott/divest, etc.

    Linkerbaan OP , to technology in Promoted on TikTok, ‘No Thanks’ boycott app targets products tied to Israel
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    Great app works very well. Users can submit barcodes and brands and the database is really significant by now. I tried it on a few articles and it correctly recognized each of them.

    natural_motions ,

    I guess I’m curious if the user submitted products are vetted or not. Seems tough for one guy to keep up with that.

    Linkerbaan OP ,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    It checks for the brand of the product and if it is on a boycott list it even provides a link with information why.

    Most brands on the boycott list are major global brands such as Mondelez, Unliver, Pepsico etc. As their products have similar barcodes worldwide most of the brands check out between countries.

    FlashMobOfOne , to news in Israeli National Security Minister Ben Gvir’s car flips over after running red light, minister lightly injured
    @FlashMobOfOne@beehaw.org avatar

    Only lightly?

    That’s a shame.

    Pan_Ziemniak ,

    Such sad news, truly. The car didnt deserve to be hurt.

    jik , to news in Israeli National Security Minister Ben Gvir’s car flips over after running red light, minister lightly injured
    @jik@federate.social avatar

    @mozz thoughts and prayers

    sonori , to news in Israeli National Security Minister Ben Gvir’s car flips over after running red light, minister lightly injured
    @sonori@beehaw.org avatar

    How could Hamas do this?/s

    SteefLem , to world in IDF says Netzah Yehuda Battalion carrying out new pinpoint operation in north Gaza’s Beit Hanoun
    @SteefLem@lemmy.world avatar

    Pinpoint shooting innocent childeren?

    snooggums ,
    @snooggums@midwest.social avatar

    “Pinpoint accuracy is necessary for such small targets!” said the IDF apokesman while raiding his hand to high five the nearest person.

    yumpsuit ,

    Pinpoint in the sense that each trooper is a real needle-dick.

    SteefLem ,
    @SteefLem@lemmy.world avatar

    Ha! needle dick :)

    Nadru , to world in Israeli academics slammed for signing letter accusing Israel of ‘plausible genocide’
    @Nadru@lemmy.world avatar

    Wow 20, so brave. A whole 20…

    Deceptichum OP ,
    @Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Good people are in short supply in Israel, don’t disparage the handful, focus on the rest who won’t admit what they’re doing.

    Nadru ,
    @Nadru@lemmy.world avatar

    20 academics out of a population of 10 million… I’m so impressed!

    Deceptichum OP ,
    @Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Israel sucks, we know. But you don’t go after the 20 decent people in the country, they’re the ones we need to be supporting.

    Passerby6497 ,

    Nothing is ever good enough for some people.

    Nadru ,
    @Nadru@lemmy.world avatar

    Who’s mentioning the 20 decent people. I’m criticizing the others

    Asafum , to world in Israeli academics slammed for signing letter accusing Israel of ‘plausible genocide’

    Well it would be nice if our pathetic US government can finally start calling it what it is and maybe reconsider our involvement now that those within Israel are calling it by name…

    But Raytheon aint going to sell those bombs themselves! :/

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