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Smoogs , to memes in Weapons manufacturers are terrorist organizations

”bUt ItS tHe fAuLt oF tHe AiRLiNe MaInTaNAnCe NoT tHe EnGiNe”

Coasting0942 , to piracy in I'll never understand this kind of mindset.

It’s not that hard to understand:

Development of games requires resources. More resources trends with better games (coin flip). If every player pays, the game development gets the best possible quality. And artists get to keep their electricity bill paid for the week.

Denuvo argues that their product guarantees the most resource extraction possible. This is debatable, and I personally lean on the side that it’s not as effective for revenue collection as advertised.

Nobody got rich being honest.

BmeBenji , to memes in Weapons manufacturers are terrorist organizations

Slightly off-topic but I really enjoyed the way Horizon Zero Dawn (spoilers ahead) illustrated the military industrial complex with Ted Faro. The dude was so convinced he was right about everything that not only did he help create the deadliest legion of machines ever conceived, he also deleted all knowledge acquired by humanity because he fucked up so bad that he thought anyone less smart than him (read:everyone else) would fuck up just as bad if not worse with the same knowledge. I imagine most real military contractors are lead by people who are similarly humble

gerbler ,

Fuck Ted Faro

Strawberry ,

That pissed me off so much. I really wanted the world to gain access to APOLLO (I’m not saying i thought the story was bad, rather that it was good and I was very invested) (please don’t spoil forbidden west for me in case that comes up)

BmeBenji ,

Oh I’m still going through Forbidden West. When I read the first part of your comment I thought you were spoiling it for me lol

Strawberry ,

Nope just the ELEUTHIA-9 cradle and GAIA Prime from the first game

steal_your_face , to cat in Sitting on the sofa
@steal_your_face@lemmy.ml avatar

I didn’t see the community at first and thought the pic was a large weirdly contorted dog.

Renegade_roosteR , (edited ) to memes in Weapons manufacturers are terrorist organizations

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  • Lumisal ,
    Maggoty , to memes in Weapons manufacturers are terrorist organizations

    It’s none of those. General Dynamics produces the humble 155mm artillery shell. It’s not flashy but artillery has killed more people than any other weapon in modern warfare.

    CptEnder ,

    AK-47 is pretty high up there too

    OurToothbrush ,

    But at least AKs are a symbol of liberation movements. US military equipment, not so much.

    Socsa , to memes in Weapons manufacturers are terrorist organizations

    Does that include weapons manufacturers in Russia and China?

    brain_in_a_box ,

    “But whatabout!”

    What Chinese weapon manufacturer are you even thinking of?

    BirdyBoogleBop ,

    Dunno about China but surely AKs being the small arms of choice for many countries, rebles, freedom fighters, terrorists and partisans of every flavour must put Kalashnikov Concern pretty high up there.

    brain_in_a_box ,

    Yeah, I can’t imagine anywhere else those Avtomat Kalashnikova might have come from…

    BirdyBoogleBop ,

    Kalashnicov Concern… What?

    BirdyBoogleBop ,

    Did you want me to say Norinco? They only have a license to make AKs but I don’t think that should count or it gets real hard to calculate what arms company did what.

    AngryCommieKender ,

    I’d guess the US, Germany, China, and all the other many countries that produce the things.

    en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-47

    Socsa ,

    I mean it’s a pretty academic question. Do the merchants of war drive global conflict, or are they necessary for national defense? Or is the issue more nuanced?

    Russia historically makes up about half the world’s arms trade. Though that has declined in recent years due to Ukraine. So who is the chicken and who is the egg?

    Fwiw, I tend to agree that arms manufacturers do play a role in driving global conflict, but it’s also clearly A responding to B and B responding to A.

    AngryCommieKender ,

    lemmy.world/comment/9929213

    According to them, yeah seems that way.

    Socsa ,

    This has also changed significantly since 2022 since Russia has effectively stopped exporting weapons. They used to be pretty close to the US in terms of total exports

    darth_tiktaalik , to memes in Weapons manufacturers are terrorist organizations
    @darth_tiktaalik@lemmy.ml avatar

    quick GIS

    …Raytheon’s logo really is that loading circle

    trolololol ,

    Uiih is it going to complete animating fill circle?? I’m waiting like forever here

    Buffalobuffalo ,

    When you’re just sitting around at a wedding and the loading circle pops up you gotta find cover.

    JohnDClay , to memes in Weapons manufacturers are terrorist organizations

    Defense of Ukraine is a great example of how weapons can be used for good. But definitely not all that these companies do, as Gaza shows.

    Confidant6198 OP ,

    Ukraine is ruled by a far right government along with Nazis

    https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/62ee4d48-7808-4f69-96e7-0ad12c917259.jpeg https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/251a2328-9155-4d48-ad7b-6fd40020c462.jpeg

    JohnDClay ,

    Lol no

    twei ,

    You know the source is credible when it’s on wordpress.com

    RememberTheApollo_ ,

    What a bunch or random junk.

    Sidyctism , (edited )

    Ever since Ukraine’s February revolution, the Kremlin has characterised the new leaders in Kiev as a “fascist junta” made up of neo-Nazis and anti-Semites, set on persecuting, if not eradicating, the Russian-speaking population.

    This is demonstrably false. Far-right parties failed to pass a 5% barrier to enter parliament, although if they had banded together, and not split their vote, they would have probably slipped past the threshold.

    Lol your own sources are telling you that you talk BS

    Edit: found another one lol

    The odious Russian media tried to paint Ukraine as a land of Nazis, though that is patently wrong. Ukraine has a thriving Jewish community, and its far-right is still on the fringe. It’s the same in America.

    menas ,

    The fascist issue is not a biggest concern than in Germany, US, France, and certainly not than in Russia. Of course every fascist must be fought, but it’s easy to denounce far-right in other countries. In the hearth of capitalism, a consistent anti-imperialist position shall fight the imperialism state. I’m not fan of the dude, but that pretty basics leninism

    About “nazi” that came to the west, it’s true, but your examples are very bad. Yea every male in germany during the 3rd Reich have to join the army. Of could they could desert, and having their family and their own life threaten, but that’s not make them nazi. None of them were in the nazi party or one of its organisation (like the SS). Adolf Heusinger may be another case, being a general is not the same responsibility and agentivity This a bad job because there is a lot of example of fascists kept at position of power in many countries, including the occupied germany and the french vichists. This lead to fascists laws and institutions being kept in those countries (some brigades dedicated to kill resistance converted in “anticriminal brigade” for example), and being used against decolonization.

    TL;DR you could demonstrate nazification of western countries, but in repeating russia propaganda, you fail to do so.

    IkarusHagen2 ,

    M8, russkiland tells all of us “ukraine nazi:C” because they fought and freed themself from a form of russian occupation. The moron who was kicked out in 2014 by the ukrainian people recieved a lot of money from russia to be their puppet state, like belarus is right now, but the people didn’t like to be such a country and fought for their freedom. That’s why vatnikstan invaded crimea and the donbas to keep their little puppet at their side, that’s why they kill and torture those who are innocent and just want to live in peace.

    Soulg ,

    Bro the nazi shit in Ukraine has been proven untrue s very long time ago

    Whattrees ,
    @Whattrees@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    I, for one, am shocked, shocked that defenders of Russia are still using the same easily disproven lies to justify invading, occupying, and murdering a neighboring country.

    It’s not like Russia has a history of lying about its military operations in Ukraine or anything, right?

    davel ,
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    Reporter: [REDACTED]
    Reason: Russian bot

    Another day, another BlueAnon conspiracy theorist.

    Pollux ,

    “Defense” is when you aid the overthrow of a government to replace it with a fascist one that kills eastern Ukrainians like in Donbass, DPR, LPR, and Crimea

    Then they wonder why Crimeans overwhelming support Russia against the post-2014 fascist coup gov in Ukraine

    CapeWearingAeroplane , (edited )

    Wow, I Wonder why everyone that’s left in the regime that deports and persecutes dissenters says they are in support of that regime?

    Ukraine never invaded anybody. Giving them weapons so they can throw out the people invading them, taking their land and molesting their people is a good thing. Russia has clearly shown that the only way to get rid of the plague that is Russian soldiers on foreign soil is to kill them. That’s why we have this war that Russia has chosen to engage in, and which Russia can choose to withdraw from at any time. That’s why Russians are dying by the hundreds of thousands.

    Pollux ,

    Sopuli.xyz user detected, opinion rejected

    CapeWearingAeroplane ,

    Out of honest curiosity: Whats wrong with sopuli.xyz? I literally just picked a random instance when I joined Lemmy, and have never heard anything special about this instance.

    Arcturus , (edited )

    Maybe because it’s the instance that hosts the largest pro fascist-coup gov community. Everything I’ve seen from it at least seems to enforce that stereotype

    CapeWearingAeroplane ,

    You actually have to elaborate on what you mean by “pro fascist-coup gov”, I honestly don’t know what fascists your talking about.

    Alsephina ,

    Crimeans overwhelming support Russia against the post-2014 fascist coup gov in Ukraine

    People in Donbass too as you’d expect. They welcomed the Russian army as liberators in 2022 from the current fascist Ukraine gov

    Pollux ,

    It’s a shame that people who say they support “Ukraine” usually mean the 2014 fascist coup gov instead of the Ukrainian breakaway regions resisting it.

    Kusimulkku ,

    Defence is when you defend your country against an invader.

    Pollux ,

    Correct, and I strongly support our Ukrainian comrades in the DPR and LPR in their resistance against the fascist coup government.

    Kusimulkku ,

    I was more thinking when Russia invaded and tried to encircle Kyiv and whatnot. But yeah, when you fight against an attacker, it’s defence. It’s a general term rather than a value position.

    CapeWearingAeroplane ,

    Yeah, the famous fascists that are actively working hard to join the EU, which we’ve seen so clearly the past decade just loves having fascist states in its ranks. You know, the fascist government that had an actual election as late as 2019 where southern and eastern regions largely voted for the person that won.

    Notice how there was actually a change of power in that election - a known hallmark of fascist states.

    davel ,
    @davel@lemmy.ml avatar

    You know, the fascist government that had an actual election as late as 2019 where southern and eastern regions largely voted for the person that won.

    It’s too bad that actor who used to play president on TV and had zero actual political experience got steamrolled by the fascists once he got in office.

    CapeWearingAeroplane ,

    When did he get steamrolled? When he ensured that corrupt people were sentenced by a court before being jailed, or when he applied to join the famously pro-fascist EU?

    OurToothbrush ,

    which we’ve seen so clearly the past decade just loves having fascist states in its ranks.

    Wait are you being sarcastic here? Lmao

    AppleTea ,

    They outlawed starting a conversation in Russian. It was criminal for a business not first say something in Ukrainian. Like, imagine if Arizona tried to pass a law that criminalized conducting business in Spanish.

    Arelin , (edited )

    It’s defense because the US military industrial complex is “defending” its profit margins by creating instability far enough away that it won’t affect them, but that they can profit off of

    qaz , (edited )

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  • Pollux , (edited )

    The neo-nazi one that attacked the trade union building and Eastern Ukrainians for resisting, yeah

    Looking up the 2010 elections should give you an idea of what the division in Ukraine is like

    https://iili.io/Jrge4l1.png

    I remember back in 2014 when even Redditors could tell the solution was to have Eastern Ukraine be a separate state so the coup gov wouldn’t be killing them for resisting. That’s what the people in the DPR and LPR were trying to do and were being bombed by the fascist state for it. At least Crimeans are free from it now ig.

    CapeWearingAeroplane ,

    It’s sad, but countries like Russia show us very clearly why nations that want peace need to prepare for war.

    I would love to not need to spend a cent on our military, or weapons manufacturing, but the hard reality is very clearly that if we aren’t capable of mass producing weapons, we’ll likely be invaded and killed.

    That’s a major part of the issue Europe is facing now: We’ve scaled down weapons production since the 90’s, and now that we suddenly need millions of artillery shells it takes time to rebuild production capacity.

    Hopefully Russia gets the picture soon, that we’ll keep scaling up until every Russian invader is gone, and we can go back to not spending money on war…

    Kusimulkku ,

    Russian invasion has been a goddamn goldmine to weapon manufacturers. Not only those selling to Ukraine but also got a lot of European countries to re-arm and restart domestic production.

    CapeWearingAeroplane ,

    Yup, who would have though that Russia invading their neighbour suddenly caused the entirety of western Europe to start the largest investments in military and weapons manufacturing since the cold war?

    Looking at the results of this war so far (major expansion of NATO in the North, massively increased military spending in all of NATO, massively increased size of the Ukrainian military), you would almost think Putins goal was something completely different than preventing NATO expansion and “de-militarizing” Ukraine.

    It’s almost like the best way of preventing your neighbours from building huge militaries and joining alliances is by cooperating with them and helping them feel safe, rather than threatening, coercing and bombing them.

    Kusimulkku ,

    It is pretty funny how for us Finns, Putin managed with one move to do what decades of pro-NATO propaganda couldn’t and push us to join.

    CapeWearingAeroplane ,

    Lol at the people downvoting this like that isn’t exactly what happened: NATO had wanted Finland to join for years, but they didn’t want to join, for fear of provoking Russia. Putin shows the world that appeasement doesn’t work, and Finland joins in a heartbeat.

    Kusimulkku ,

    This is lemmy.ml. It is what it is

    CapeWearingAeroplane ,

    I actually hadn’t realised that yet, thanks for pointing it out, I thought I was going crazy with the amount of people suddenly supporting Russian invaders

    Duke_Nukem_1990 ,

    Jesus the answers to this are unhinged. Didn’t realize this space was quite that far up Putler’s ugly ass.

    AppleTea ,

    Induced demand – the production of weapons necessitates the use of weapons in order to keep shares from crashing. Like a shoe factory regularly changing the design and fashion to keep from flooding the market, blood is spilled to keep the 401Ks safe.

    Welcome to the Second Cold War, you’ve been here along.

    Duke_Nukem_1990 ,

    Maybe Russia shouldn’t induce demand then.

    AppleTea ,

    Amazing, a century latter the blame is still squarely placed on Russia. Those people must not be capable of self-determination, am I right my good Cold Warrior? Good thing we had this stockpile of depleted uranium, by jingo! So what if it leaches into the groundwater? Canadian mining firms have been poisoning Ukrainian groundwater for decades now! What’s a little rare-earth-elements between allies, amiright?

    Duke_Nukem_1990 ,

    Maybe Putler should stop attacking and invading free countries? I am sure the blame would lessen. Also, less raping in the invaded territories would go a long way, I guess.

    AppleTea ,

    Yeah yeah, you see the individual and not the historical pattern.

    Isn’t it funny that the US keeps doing this? The presidents are incidental, flitting in and out of office with the whim of the public. But the conflicts? Those last. Nuclear rockets parked in Yugoslavia one century, flooding Ukraine with weapons the next. You know children in Vietnam are, to this day, born with napalm induced complications?

    Doesn’t this all ring a little too familiar to you? Do you think maybe our grandparents had cute little nicknames for Khrushchev, comparing him to Hitler, when they were our age?

    JohnDClay , to memes in Weapons manufacturers are terrorist organizations

    Boeing makes jdam bombs, that would put them up there.

    Coreidan , to cat in Sitting on the sofa

    Who needs a blanket when you have a swarm of cats

    MyNameIsRichard OP ,
    @MyNameIsRichard@lemmy.ml avatar

    Ain’t that the truth!

    CCF_100 , to programmerhumor in How to regex

    Hey ChatGPT, here’s an example string, how would you get this string out of it with <insert regex implementation>?

    downpunxx , to lemmyshitpost in i don't get you

    Do I? Really?

    jws_shadotak , to lemmyshitpost in i don't get you

    Actually, it’s called gaslamping.

    Rustmilian ,
    @Rustmilian@lemmy.world avatar

    torchlighting*

    henfredemars ,

    Is this what the kids mean by getting lit?

    eager_eagle ,
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    SatansMaggotyCumFart , to lemmyshitpost in i don't get you

    Have you actually tried gaslighting someone before?

    All this pop psychology makes it seem like it is way easier then it really is.

    apfelwoiSchoppen ,
    @apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world avatar

    Guess you’ve never had sociopaths in your life.

    SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

    Are you gaslighting me right now?

    apfelwoiSchoppen ,
    @apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world avatar

    Either way, proves your assertion as invalid.

    SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

    I didn’t say they were successful.

    Signtist ,

    Yeah, people who have experienced it understand that you don’t “try” gaslighting. People who do it are just constantly doing it, usually without even needing to try - it’s just their natural state to counter the things other people say. It works not by making someone believe a lie, but by wearing them down slowly, showing such confidence in something that the victim sees as being so clearly incorrect that they can’t help but think that maybe they’re the problem.

    apfelwoiSchoppen ,
    @apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world avatar

    Nailed it. Had best friends and exes that are like this. Took some therapy to realize the abuse that I endured and internalized. Still work on avoiding these types of relationships, they are gravitational.

    runswithjedi ,

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  • SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

    I’d be very angry with you if you didn’t put that tone indicator in your comment.

    Sotuanduso ,

    No you wouldn’t, you’re delusional.

    GBU_28 ,

    Way too on the nose, this is rookie shit

    Donkter ,

    Have you actually tried gaslighting someone before?

    Sus lol.

    To your point, gaslighting is often also done unconsciously as a byproduct of other toxic behaviors.

    saltesc ,

    Yeah, it’s often unsuccessful. I think the more common success is getting someone to do something in reaction, like…

    “You never do xyz

    “I always do xyz.” And now does it more for the other person to notice or to prove a point.

    Also people bringing in ad populum, preying on social insecurities, I’d say is quite common too. “People think this of you” stuff by people close enough to them to be a valid source.

    Anyway, if you want to see bad examples of gaslighting attempts—and a myriad of other budget grade colloquialisms and common fallacies—you’re in the right place 👍

    RecluseRamble ,

    Poor gaslighters. Life is hard.

    dingus ,

    Weirdly I feel like I self-gaslight all the time to the point where I’m not sure if certain things are real.

    Some examples…

    Am I really having pain in my foot or am I being a hypochondriac? How can I tell if it’s real or if I’m making it up?

    Was my boss actually in the wrong in saying that to me or am I just a crazy person?

    Are my feelings genuine or am I subconsciously just acting a certain way for attention?

    SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

    I could answer but I charge $250 an hour and don’t accept any insurance or credit cards.

    Entropywins ,

    Why not both?!?!?

    asteriskeverything ,

    Self reflection is important! It is good to ASK yourself these questions, and ask others even. It is not good to ruminate on the questions or doubt yourself because of lack of confidence. And if your answer is always that you were wrong… idk maybe seek therapy. Sounds like a trait of a chronic asshole or a chronic doormat.

    asteriskeverything , (edited )

    Have you spent your entire life raised to put more weight in others’ comfort, opinions, achievements than your own?

    It’s REALLY easy to gaslight someone. Congratulations, you’re not a predator who seeks out/recognizes these qualities in someone for you to take advantage of.

    It IS common. It exists in many forms of abusive relationships. The fucking problem is that the internet is stupid as fuck and doesn’t understand what gaslighting is. If you start to question your intelligence, memory, etc because your partner is always contradicting you, just them, yeah that’s gaslighting. Disagreeing or the person is being a jerk and saying those lines doesn’t mean “you’re being gaslit” it’s a process and state of mind and being. You can be gaslit to believe your father never spent months painting himself blue trying to get into the blue man group, but that’s if you are convinced! Someone telling you that your dad never blue himself trying to convince you does NOT mean you were gaslit.

    Also lying isn’t gaslighting. The point is someone questioning or changing their reality.

    Sorry for the rant. I’m very passionate about abuse awareness and can’t self edit so well.

    gmtom ,

    No, honestly it’s actually pretty hard to actually gaslight someone. I know you think you see it in abusive relationships, but I really think your just misremembering honest mistakes as gaslighting. I mean you’ve made mistakes like that before in the past remember? So yeah, no big deal, just chalk it up to stress. And you trust me right? You know I would never lie to you.

    Excrubulent ,
    @Excrubulent@slrpnk.net avatar

    Can confirm, I used to have a partner that was conditioned to accept gaslighting by their narcissistic father. They had a terrible memory for his abuse. Like he’d say these flagrantly horrible things, and I’d try to talk to them about it later and half the time they just… wouldn’t remember it.

    It was really easy to accidentally railroad them too. Like I had to learn to be hyper aware of anything I said that might unconsciously contradict what they wanted, because they would just self-edit to remove the contradiction.

    It’s what ended the relationship really, because even though they didn’t always consciously remember the abuse, they did expect it, and it was impossible to have a conversation about a difficult issue without them perceiving abuse and sidestepping it. The conversation would go in circles. When I got good enough at anticipating the ways they would sidestep topics, they had another strategy - just dissociate and blank out, so I’m left standing there going, “Hello? Can you hear me?”

    Gaslighting is real, and it does serious damage to people.

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