I know what you mean here, but it’s a bit egotistical of humans to be like “we literally know what this creature who can’t talk” is thinking when they can barely properly guess what their long term partner or friend is always thinking 🤣 cats MIGHT be more simplistic in thought patterns than humans, but to assert what all cats believe based on an incorrect reporting on John Bradshaw’s studies of cats is just plain wrong- please do a quick search! You’ll see there are conflicting reports of what his book seems to claim, but he himself does not assert that that’s what cats literally believe. 😬
Edit to add: here’s the article where he’s being interviewed about it, and the relevant part!
“I’ve read articles where you’ve said cats think of us as big, stupid cats. Is that accurate?
No. In the book [I say] that cats behave toward us in a way that’s indistinguishable from [how] they would act toward other cats. They do think we’re clumsy: Not many cats trip over people, but we trip over cats.
But I don’t think they think of us as being dumb and stupid, since cats don’t rub on another cat that’s inferior to them.”
@liztliss My personal theory is that they know we aren't a cat like them, but they figure we think the same way they do and that most everyone shows affection and communicates like a cat. I could be wrong, but it seems to fit.
Yeah we can’t literally know what cats are thinking, but humans do tend to anthropomorphise so we can’t really help attributing our observations of their behaviour into what we believe they are thinking. Very egotistical of us.
My observation they think we are a bit useless comes from the ‘gifts’ behaviour of bringing things into the house. My cat brings in small lizards- thanks buddy! Could be any number of reasons they do it, but I find it amusing to ponder if he thinks I’m not good at hunting, so he better take care of this important cat business.
More accurately, they treat us how they treat other cats. They haven’t been bred to do otherwise like dogs have. It doesn’t mean they think we’re cats.
shit like this comment thread is why regular people use windows. who the fuck wants to learn about this kind of stuff when you can just point and click? especially when the people who should be helping you post brain-dead self-congratulatory gate-keeping shit like this.
if y'all want people to use linux maybe make it palatable instead of maintaining its difficulty so you can get a chubby about how smart you are
The reason Linux only grew with the Steam Deck is because an operating system only grows if it’s preinstalled on a popular device. Average users do not install their own OS. If you were actually in tune with average users, you would know this. It has nothing to do with Linux users making jokes amongst themselves.
i sort of get them, actually. as a nontech person who shifted to Linux out of necessity, i just wanted it to work.
i dont have to imagine not knowing what a kernel module because i still dont, despite using it for years.
You said people wanted to point and click. I agree: I’ve seen many Windows admins VNC to a desktop environment to get to a shell rather than use SSH
So if everything in Linux was accessible from a GUI, would that make it better? Because Windows does similar things, and so does Mac OS. They just use pretty pictures instead of words.
ah, i see now. it's more about things just working and it being right there
even what distro to choose is already a thing people have to actively research. most people are more interested in just having the thing simply work, than they are having it work in a way that they've customized, if that road takes more than minimal effort. i think that the divide is actively growing now, and that the easy access of smartphones and most apps not having much customization is probably part of it.
Things on Windows and Mac rarely just work, especially when you're talking about kernel extensions. In fact, one of the first things you do when troubleshooting a Mac is to start up without extensions by holding the shift key.
And this is almost entirely the fault of the hardware manufacturers. They could write drivers for Linux that would work as well as their drivers for Windows. They don't do it, so amateurs have to reverse engineer the hardware and try their best to get it to work.
If, like with Mac and Windows, hardware manufacturers offered actual support for Linux you would not see these issues. The problem isn't with Linux, it's with the hardware makers.
I will agree that smartphones have made people know less about how computers actually work while increasing usage. And this is because they've obfuscated things to the point where they "simply work" with "minimal effort." Maybe we should stop doing that.
shit like this comment thread is why regular people use windows
No, regular people use Windows because that’s what their device they purchased came with. If they bought a Chromebook instead for example, they’d be using ChromeOS which is based on Linux, and if they bought a Smart TV, it’d probably be running some sort of Linux-based OS as well.
Regular people don’t know or care about Linux, nor what operating system their device is running - they just want a device that’s easy to use, looks good, has a good price and can let them use Facebook, Zoom etc or whatever it is they’re expecting from that device.
who the fuck wants to learn about this kind of stuff when you can just point and click
There’s no need to learn about this stuff, Linux is already just point and click. The main hurdle these days is installing it on a PC, egular people don’t mess around with the OS on their device, they just use whatever it is that came on their device. They shouldn’t have any big issues using Linux (especially if it’s a user-friendly distro like Zorin OS), as long as it’s already installed on their machines.
if y’all want people to use linux maybe make it palatable
It is already palatable, we just haven’t gotten mainstream manufactures to sell preloaded devices to the masses. There are some OEMs like System76 that are doing a good job, but they haven’t hit mass market yet. What Linux needs is a partnership with mainstream manufacturers and some big $$$ invested into marketing, plus partnering with retail outets like Best Buy etc. And maybe have a hardware certification program, like how Windows has the WHQL. Market the hell out of it, pass out shiny “Linux compatible” stickers to vendors, put Linux on sleek and shiny MacBook-like devices, and you’ll find regular people getting into Linux.
this is copium my friend. look at these forums, you don't find people talking about proselytizing ubuntu and mint, it's people circlejerking about how cool they are for using kali and arch and knowing whatever minutiae of computing
also the front page of this very community has multiple posts from people whose systems aren't working, or who are worried about software being incompatible with linux. it's still not easy. and Ubuntu came pre-loaded on computers a decade ago and that didn't really do anything.
if y'all want people to use linux maybe make it palatable instead of maintaining its difficulty so you can get a chubby about how smart you are
I wont speak for others but personally, I'm not really interested in point and clickers using linux - there are people who work on mint and ubuntu and stuff for them.
again, personally, i don't think linux is the right choice for people don't want to learn some of that and who won't ever use Command line interface.
I wouldn't recommend it for them - tbf mostly because I've no interest in being tech support for them, just like i didn't for windows back when i knew how to solve some problems ( type "regedit").
unless they only have a potato, then i think linux is more likely to fit a decent amount of their needs.
though i would normally say it costs them little more than a few hours to test out a live usb boot system.
but the main point is that the linux community is very diverse, as are all the different distros and projects - so it is not easy to pigeonhole all of them as sharing any one sentiment.
some of the people and distros will be supportive of those users, others won't.
it's a bit like most collections of humans in that respect.
I remember when you had to use this newfangled “kernel module” business if you had two Ethernet cards using the same driver, because a non-module driver would only detect one …
Some builds can get really tetchy about laptop hardware, but that's almost always older hardware.
Though I will say it took entirely too long for most builds to have a "change what closing the lid" does menu option rather than making you modify a .conf file.
And don't get me started on resolution switching when hot swapping display inputs.
I think the main trouble makers for consumers are the odd network or bluetooth controllers, especially in laptops, which often come with some exotic bullshit.
I have a lot of trouble with Bluetooth on laptops so I tend to run 2.4GHz wireless peripherals instead of Bluetooth. That’s my only complaint these days.
The sync app dev is charging for a product. They know they have a market, albeit narrow. The income will be chunky and consistent.
The Lemmy devs provide a free platform and ask for donations. They know they have a market. It’s enormous. The income is gratuity.
Neither party should be surprised about who is raking in how much cash or why. I’m sure they’re not.
No user should be confused about why both parties are doing what they’re doing. No one should be confused about how it’s going for them. But for some reason y’all won’t stfu about it.
That was hard to read, damn. I can read German quite well, but the font basically makes the capital letters a pure gamble to me. I guess this is a lesson to always listen to speaking cats lol.
Edit: Like “Der Vater hat’s verboten”. “Vater” is written more like “Bater” in this font
The Wikipedia article includes the whole text. Here is the Deepl translation:
The sad story with the lighter. Paulinchen was alone at home, Her parents were both out. As she jumped through the room With light courage and song, Suddenly she saw in front of her A lighter, nice to look at. “Ei,” she said, “ei, how beautiful and fine! That must be a fine toy. I’ll light a little wood for myself, As my mother often did.”
And Minz and Maunz, the cats, Raise their paws. They threaten with their paws: “The father has forbidden it! Meow! Mio! Meow! Mio! Don’t move! Or you’ll catch fire!”
Paulinchen can’t hear the cats! The little stick is burning brightly and brightly, It flickers merrily, crackles loudly, Just as you see it in the picture. But Pauline is very happy And jumped back and forth in the room.
But Minz and Maunz, the cats, Raise their paws. They threaten with their paws: “The mother has forbidden it! Meow! Mio! Meow! Mio! Throw it away! Or you’ll catch fire!” But woe! The flame seizes the dress, The apron burns; it shines far. The hand burns, the hair burns, Even the whole child burns.
And Minz and Maunz, who scream Pitifully in twos : “Come! Come here! Who will help quickly? The whole child is in the fire! Meow! Mio! Meow! Mio! Help! The child is on fire!”
Everything is completely burned, The poor child with skin and hair; A heap of ashes alone remains And both shoes, so pretty and fine.
And Minz and Maunz, the little ones, They sit there and cry: “Meow! Mio! Meow! Mio! Where are the poor parents? Where?” And their tears flow Like a brook in the meadows
About 15 years on, I’m still so happy I got good coursework marks for the route-finding equivalent of a bogosort. Picked a bunch of random routes and pick the fastest. Sure, that guy who set up a neural net to figure it out did well, but mine didn’t take days of training, and still did about as well in the same sort of execution time.
We are fucking ourselves. Which sounds nice, but not in this context. I guess our grandkids will have to get a taste for cockroach and muck. At least we can eat and drink and enjoy the sun like kings of old…
I was trying to be poetic… I also don’t have nor want kids. Not because of the future, I just don’t like kids. They use social media and are loud… And I’ve met some my friends made, and I said it directly into their eyes how much I despise them and how ugly they are.
Thank you for calling attention to this! I’ve been trying to raise awareness about why people should avoid lemmy.ml like the plague. My first post on Lemmy was on this thread created by the same person that made the post you linked to. I had noticed the mod action they called out where someone was banned for posting an Axios article about the Chinese succession plan for the reason of “Orientalism”. I appreciate that Lemmy is defederated and at the end of the day your server admin matters first and foremost, but I do really hope the views of those top devs never lead to problems with the software itself. At least it’s all open source and they would be called out if they ever tried anything shady.
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