There have been multiple accounts created with the sole purpose of posting advertisement posts or replies containing unsolicited advertising.

Accounts which solely post advertisements, or persistently post them may be terminated.

blockheadjt ,

Hey look, another nazi

block

Sanctus ,
@Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

You’re getting down voted but this is what it feels like watching our gargantuan government help eradicate an entire people. Like just fucken stop.

Cowbee , (edited )
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

It sucks to see people think government runs on vibes and magic, as though bombs sent through crocodile tears are any less deadly than bombs sent with glee.

Sanctus ,
@Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

It sucks to watch the knee jerk reaction as everyone rushes to defend because they are so afraid of Trump. Truly hampers progress on all sides with that attitude. We’re not saying something magical will happen. We aren’t saying a 3rd party will win. We are simply saying the genocide will continue because the US needs Israel for the Petro-Dollar, and once again lives are sacrificed to Mammon in the name of wealth.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

Exactly, hopefully people realize that genocide is unconditional because its roots are economic, not moral, and states don’t move according to morals.

imnotfromkaliningrad ,

thats what no material analysis does to a mf. there is a reason why the parasitic genocidal western bourgeoisie encourages idealist worldviews, as liberals will reassure people that the universe will eventually somehow work in our favor. meanwhile, the systems built around exploitation are using well-organized scientific methods. the people who expanded colonial power and the larger global capitalist system are utilizing scientific principles to enable exploitation while hiding these processes from the working class.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

100%. They think Trump is a warlock and his fascist magic will imbue the bombs both the DNC and GOP agree to send with extra power. That’s the only way their world view makes any sense at all, rather than looking at the world from a Materialist lense, there’s a grand battle of “Good vs Evil” fought in the ballot box, rather than economic interests and bourgeois infighting.

imnotfromkaliningrad ,

at least the brazenness of the current genocide made more people wake up to the crimes of western “civilization”

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

Hopefully the quantitative will shift to the qualitative before Gaza is flattened entirely.

carl_dungeon ,

Dumb post

RangerJosie ,

The haters will downvote. But you’re right and they know it. And it drives them insane.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

You can see they largely come from Lemmy.world accounts, the mods there are very friendly towards Zionism, unlike most other instances.

RangerJosie ,

Imported reddit mods. Same power tripping authoritarians they’ve always been.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

Lemmy.world is attempting to make Reddit 2, after all.

Telorand ,

Yeah, man. We’re ugly-crying every day over it. You totally got us pegged. /s

uienia ,

The pro-Putin astroturfing is very active around here.

imnotfromkaliningrad ,

is putin in the toom with us right now?

ValorieAF ,

So Trump gets elected, the genocide gets 10x worse, the right allows Israel to completely demolish Palastine and take their land.

Kamala gets elected, genocide might continue for a while, but at least we have time and still have a democracy and the chance to vote in people who will condemn genocide.

There is an effectively zero chance of any third party candidate winning the election, so if you care so much about genocide, throwing your vote away to third party where you would have otherwise voted for Kamala is essentially taking away a vote from Kamala and giving it to Trump, supporting even further genocide.

Any questions?

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

So Trump gets elected, the genocide gets 10x worse

Why would it get worse, materially, let alone 10 times? Harris has promised to never cease giving Israel bombs to “defend itself,” what’s Trump going to do to make it worse?

Kamala gets elected, genocide might continue for a while, but at least we have time and still have a democracy and the chance to vote in people who will condemn genocide.

Spoiler: there will not be that candidate. Next election in 4 years, if there are any Palestinians left, there will still be 2 Zionist candidates representing the DNC and GOP, and the anti-genocide candidates will be 3rd parties with little to no chance of winning.

AmbiguousProps ,

The third parties have 0 chance of winning. So which is better? Kamala, who might actually listen to the public, or Trump, who won’t listen and will do whatever he wants to Palestine?

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

Neither, both support the bipartisan US foreign policy of genocide. Harris will not “listen to the public,” she will listen to the fact that the US needs Israel to keep the Middle East tied up and secure the Petro-Dollar as the World’s Currency.

Neither Trump nor Harris will cease the genocide.

AmbiguousProps ,

Did I say that she would cease the genocide? Do you always just put words in other people’s mouths? That’s a poor strategy for getting people to listen to you.

Palestine will continue to be genocided. Do you want the genocide to go faster (Trump) or stay at the same speed? If you want it to go faster, you can just say to vote for Trump (and a vote for a third party will give power to those voting for Trump, so the same result).

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

Palestine will continue to be genocided. Do you want the genocide to go faster (Trump) or stay at the same speed?

How is Trump going to make it worse? This is a bipartisan genocide, is him being in office going to make the scheduled bomb shipments magically more powerful?

AmbiguousProps ,

No, but he has full power to be able to alter the schedule to send more bombs. That’s the point that you can’t seem to realize - he hates Palestine and would love to get closer with the nationalists in Israel. He would do everything in his power to allow more and more shipments from our bottomless inventory of weaponry.

Do you want the Zionists to be given bombs more often? Because voting for Trump or a third party will get you there.

Cowbee , (edited )
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

How will he do this, materially? Congress sets the shipments, is he going to personally buy more bombs and send them via UPS? Is his personal hatred going to magnify the power of the bombs sent? If Kamala cries while sending bombs, do they misfire more frequently?

AmbiguousProps ,

Multiple people have now tried to get it through your dense skull that republicans are fully Zionist and don’t care about Palestine, and that those same representatives currently hold the house and that if Trump wins, the Senate will likely flip too. So, yes, his personal hatred when paired with all of the Zionists in congress will cause shipments to accelerate.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

Multiple people have now tried to get it through your dense skull that republicans are fully Zionist and don’t care about Palestine

Correct, same as the DNC.

AmbiguousProps ,

They are not fully Zionist (there are multiple progressive reps in congress), and if you think that they’re the same as the GOP on this then you are either not from the US or are not aware of how US politics work. And if you are living here in the US, I’m sorry that our education system failed you and that you are being taken advantage of by the GOP. I hope you’ll retrospect and realize that single issue voting is not the play and only serves to hurt those around you. But you probably won’t, you’d rather cry and put your head in the sand while you and Palestine get shit on by the GOP.

Cowbee , (edited )
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

How many anti-Zionists are in the DNC, and why haven’t they been able to get anything done under Biden already?

you’d rather cry and put your head in the sand while you and Palestine get shit on by the GOP.

Palestine will get shit on by the DNC and GOP, they are aligned on this.

kevindqc ,

Trump won’t do whatever. He has said in the debate that he will let Israel finish the job. That’s not ambiguous.

ValorieAF ,

Why would it get worse, materially, let alone 10 times? Harris has promised to never cease giving Israel bombs to “defend itself,” what’s Trump going to do to make it worse?

Because Republicans are entirely fans of Israel and would do anything to help them… This is common information, have you been living under a fucking rock? Republicans have repeatedly shown that they will help Israel.

Spoiler: there will not be that candidate. Next election in 4 years, if there are any Palestinians left, there will still be 2 Zionist candidates representing the DNC and GOP, and the anti-genocide candidates will be 3rd parties with little to no chance of winning.

Nobody knows that for sure. If people care about it, they will run for office. It sounds like you prioritize the presidential elections and ignore local elections, because those are what matter in getting “that candidate”.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

Because Republicans are entirely fans of Israel and would do anything to help them

As are the DNC, are you living under a rock?

Nobody knows that for sure. If people care about it, they will run for office. It sounds like you prioritize the presidential elections and ignore local elections, because those are what matter in getting “that candidate”.

Ah, the “vibe a candidate that can take the office from an incumbent out of thin-air” approach. And no, local elections are far more consequential, not sure where you think I suggested otherwise.

Dkarma ,

This is getting old and isn’t effective when the only other option according to the US voting system is trump.

Harris is Palestines best bet at continued existence. Sorry if that hurts your feelings or something…

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

Harris is Palestines best bet at continued existence.

She has promised to never cease sending bombs to Israel for it to “defend itself.”

AmbiguousProps , (edited )

Do you think Trump would cease sending bombs? I don’t think he’s any better, and in fact would probably send more. We can protest once she actually does it which might be effective, unlike with Trump who would view the protesters as the enemy.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

Nope, I believe that, like Harris, he will continue to uphold bipartisan US foreign policy, and maintain the current flow of bombs to Israel.

Painting Harris as “Palestine’s best hope for continued existence” is monstrous and downplays her already active support for continuing the genocide, it reads as you trying to pre-emptively absolve yourself of guilt for voting for her.

AmbiguousProps ,

Where did I say that she was “Palenstine’s best hope for continued existence”? I said nothing of the sort, so thanks for putting words in my mouth. The truth of the matter is that the US will always send Israel bombs, but one candidate will do it more than the other. Palestine is fucked either way, unfortunately.

Third parties will not win, Trump will not be any better for Palestine than Kamala, and Kamala at least has better domestic policy anyway. I don’t feel guilty for voting for her when the other candidate literally wants me any my queer friends dead, along with Palestine. Sorry, not sorry.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

Where did I say that she was “Palenstine’s best hope for continued existence”?

Didn’t realize you were a different person from the original commenter I was talking to. Speaking of, it’s helpful for people to have profile pics for that reason.

The truth of the matter is that the US will always send Israel bombs, but one candidate will do it more than the other.

How will one candidate do it more than the other? Is Trump going to build bombs himself? This is a bipartisan effort.

Third parties will not win, Trump will not be any better for Palestine than Kamala,

Correct, and Kamala will not be any better for Palestine than Trump, and pretending otherwise is monstrous.

I don’t feel guilty for voting for her when the other candidate literally wants me any my queer friends dead, along with Palestine. Sorry, not sorry.

Vote for whoever you want, just don’t pretend your vote for Harris is helping Palestinians. The US is dedicated to genocide either way.

AmbiguousProps ,

I’m not going to upload a profile picture so that you can avoid reading.

Trump will give the military industrial complex more money. Look at what you’re doing now, you’re literally defending Trump. That’s a huge red flag, and you should maybe look at yourself and see why you are now defending him.

Did I say my vote would help Palenstine? No. I said it would keep the status quo, and that if Trump was elected it would only accelerate the genocide and also hurt myself and my queer friends. Are you a single issue voter?

Our two options are Trump or Kamala. There’s no chance a third party will win (by design). So, of those two, I definitely know who I’m voting for.

Cowbee , (edited )
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

Trump will give the military industrial complex more money.

Lmao. How? Is he going to beg Congress to pass what they already are agreeing to pass?

Look at what you’re doing now, you’re literally defending Trump. That’s a huge red flag, and you should maybe look at yourself and see why you are now defending him.

Not at all, I think he’s a monstrous piece of shit, I just don’t think he has magic powers like you do.

Did I say my vote would help Palenstine? No. I said it would keep the status quo, and that if Trump was elected it would only accelerate the genocide

Again, materially, how?

Our two options are Trump or Kamala. There’s no chance a third party will win (by design). So, of those two, I definitely know who I’m voting for.

I don’t care who you vote for with respect to the genocide, both candidates support current US foreign policy and neither will change it, and pretending otherwise is monstrous.

AmbiguousProps ,

You do realize how congress works, right? If Trump wins, the house is probably going to stay red, and the Senate could easily flip to red as well. Then, all Trump has to do is say the word and suddenly the schedule for bombing Palestine has changed.

You did defend Trump, covering your eyes and plugging your ears over it doesn’t help.

I’m not going to continue to explain the basics of US politics and government to you. If you can’t understand how electing Trump or voting for a third party hurts Palestine, then it’s hopeless to continue to try. You are a lost cause, single issue voter. I don’t care if you care who I’m voting for, because you can’t seem to grasp the basics of politics in general. I’m voting for her because if I don’t, I will lose my own rights and be unable to help those who have already lost theirs.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

You do realize how congress works, right? If Trump wins, the house is probably going to stay red, and the Senate could easily flip to red as well. Then, all Trump has to do is say the word and suddenly the schedule for bombing Palestine has changed.

The genocide is bipartisan though, look at the voting records of congress. They are going to agree regardless, the anti-genocide faction is a minority of the DNC.

You did defend Trump, covering your eyes and plugging your ears over it doesn’t help.

Quote me and show me, this is libel.

I’m voting for her because if I don’t, I will lose my own rights and be unable to help those who have already lost theirs.

I understand that’s why you’re voting for her, I just wish you’d stop pretending she’s better than Trump on Palestine despite them supporting the same policies.

AmbiguousProps ,

I’m very aware it’s bipartisan, do you think that there are no progressives in congress? Also, that kind of defeats your own logic - since congress is bipartisan and will continue to vote for more weapons to Israel, Trump will not stop a single shipment and will actively lobby congress members to create more bills for more weapons. That is exactly the point people are trying to get inside your head: that Trump will only accelerate the shipments. You’re so close to realizing the truth, but I doubt you’ll do it.

I’m not going to continue to explain to you how US politics work and how single issue voting supports Trump. That’s on you, it’s not libel if you just can’t understand politics. Keep supporting him by proxy though, I’m sure that will end well for Palestine.

She is status quo, and therefore better than Trump who is worse than status quo in every subject. She’s not better for Palestine in general, but she is better than Trump for Palestine.

Anyway, I’m done explaining the basics to you. You know who I’m voting for, and I know you’ll throw your vote away to empower Trump, so at least we’re on the same page there.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

I’m very aware it’s bipartisan, do you think that there are no progressives in congress?

The number of anti-Genocide democrats is low enough that they don’t make a material impact on weapon shipments, the Zionists have enough votes to pass what they want. It’s a zero-sum deal, either the shipments pass or they don’t, and with a super-majority the Zionists are uncontested regardless.

since congress is bipartisan and will continue to vote for more weapons to Israel, Trump will not stop a single shipment

Neither will Kamala.

and will actively lobby congress members to create more bills for more weapons

This is goofy, the US only has so many bombs, and shipments are set by Congress. Is he going to pay out of pocket to increase shipments?

klep ,

I accidentally deleted my comment when I went to edit it. My apologies.

Miriam Adelson is one of the Trump campaign’s chief financiers. She pledged the Trump campaign in the neighborhood of $100m to support Israel’s annexation of the West Bank. That would be direct acceleration of the genocide.

archive.is/qUpIJ

Adelson previously donated close to $100m to Trump support moving the embassy back to Tel Aviv, which Trump gleefully supported.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

That would likely provoke a war with Iran, and even then, he wouldn’t be able to do that without bipartisan support. If he can do that, and it can be proven Kamala would not, that is tangible evidence of escalation, something everyone else here failed to provide in any capacity, thanks.

Still, again, I question his ability to actually accomplish that even if he wanted to, and question that under conditions that allow him to be able to that Kamala would not also go through with it, given her record of unconditional support for genocide.

Randomgal ,

“I didn’t realize I was talking to somebody else. But it shout fault for not being easily recognizable beyond the different name above your words.”

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

I admitted a mistake, and offered a suggestion, I didn’t cast fault. Touch grass.

Bakkoda ,

Point me in the direction of your preferred candidate then.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

If I could pick anyone, it would be Claudia De La Crúz, but even if I vote for her she won’t win. I just want Liberals to stop pretending that voting for Harris will cease the genocide, because it won’t, and it’s monstrous to suggest otherwise.

AmbiguousProps ,

Yep, you’re right that she wouldn’t win and you would be propping up Trump by voting for her. I don’t see any “liberals” saying she’ll stop the genocide, either. I only see you bringing up that point in this thread.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

Read the thread, there are plenty of people on this thread pretending Harris will be better for Palestine, which is a lie.

AmbiguousProps ,

That’s not what you said. You originally said “cease the genocide”, which neither candidate will do and no one here is saying otherwise.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

Plenty are, and plenty are saying Trump will make it worse through fascist magic and warlockery.

AmbiguousProps ,

He will make it worse, because he is a fascist. It’s not magic, basic knowledge of how congress and fascism work. Just because you don’t understand something doesn’t make it “magic”.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

So if a fascist takes office, bipartisan agreemants based on preset budgets magically shift, and cause the shipments to increase in magnitude? Sounds like magic to me.

AmbiguousProps ,

Those budgets get changed constantly, and if you think Trump and the GOP won’t change them you’re a bigger idiot than I initially realized.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

The GOP is aligned with the DNC in this matter, the DNC is not blocking anything nor is the GOP pushing for more. Both are in agreement. If the GOP gets more congress seats, the anti-genocide section of the DNC still can’t change anything.

antmzo220 ,

Yep, you’re right that she wouldn’t win and you would be propping up Trump

Actually I’d be propping up Kamala by not voting for Trump.

TheOubliette ,

“Hold your nose and vote genocide”.

Rather than rewarding genociders, might I suggest opposing them? I was told this was the worst crime, but apparently it isn’t as bad as not voting for it.

If you’d like to do electoral math, being an automatic lever pull means you have no leverage. And if your conception of electoralism is to cheerlead and support top-down dictates, you’re actively disempowering yourself.

But personally, I don’t think it should require game theory to not vote for any pro-genocide candidate. Demand better or be complicit. I certainly won’t forget this depravity.

  • All
  • Subscribed
  • Moderated
  • Favorites
  • •
  • [email protected]
  • random
  • lifeLocal
  • goranko
  • All magazines
    •