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zzx , to lemmyshitpost in Relationship advice?

I fucking hate this guy

blahsay , to funny in unusable mouse

This must be a joke. That can’t actually be how they designed it right?

NounsAndWords ,

They really didn’t want you using it as a wired mouse. Because aesthetics.

Agent641 ,

Aesthetically this looks way dumber than a wired mouse.

Blisterexe ,

So that when other people see that you’re using the mouse wirelessly, because apple cares about how others perceive your product that you bought, not you.

Jax , (edited )

I mean, Apple users care more about how they’re perceived using an Apple product rather than the cost-to-quality ratio of the product itself. Why wouldn’t Apple cater to that? It’s like printing money, and Apple users are so fucking cult-ish they fixate on things like green text messages.

Blisterexe ,

The best examples of that, is how apple made headphones that yellow, but only the part thats in your ear, so you see it, but nobody else does, and you get temped to buy new ones.

Hildegarde ,

The gen 1 mouse had removable batteries connected to a door on the bottom.

The gen 2 mouse went with a rechargable battery, but they didn’t want to retool the factories making the top shell, so they couldn’t put the charging port anywhere other than the bottom part they were redesigning.

Just charge the mouse overnight when you’re not using it. Also the charge cable disables the sensor so you can’t fix this “design feature” by modifying the mouse. Why not buy the desktop trackpad if you really need an input device when your mouse is charging?

Darkassassin07 , (edited )
@Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca avatar

Why should I buy two devices to do the same job, where a single device from any other sane manufacturer would function 100% of the time? Especially after paying a premium for the branded device?

Pay more to get problems others don’t have, then pay even more on top to solve those problems…

Hildegarde ,

You don’t become a trillion dollar company by selling people things they need. The strategy is to induce demand.

Apple designs products so that when broken it requires a repair that costs 50-75% the cost of the device if repaired by Apple. If you’re paying that much to fix it you might as well just buy a new one.

The apple vision pro is glued together, the outer shell and internal lenses have highly scratchable plastic on the outside. Want to fix it, over a thousand. They can’t just remove some screws replace the broken part. This is a deliberate design decision.

It’s not about making good products, it’s about money. If you decide buy a trackpad for when your mouse is charging, apple make bank.

Jax ,

I would love for an evironmental protection agency to hold corporations accountable for designed obsolescence.

Hildegarde ,

do you even regulatory capture, bro?

Michal ,

Charge the mouse over night 😂

The magic mouse is just shit with crappy ergonomics and user-hostile design like most of their hardware. It’s just pretty to look at.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

I don’t even think it’s pretty to look at, it’s honestly quite boring. Then again, I don’t like how any of Apple’s hardware looks, so I guess I’m not the target market.

nxdefiant ,

Or buy literally any other mouse that you can use while charging…

Death_Equity ,

But my aesthetic!

WoodenBleachers ,
@WoodenBleachers@lemmy.world avatar

Usability too. The hybrid touch/mouse combo hasn’t been implemented better elsewhere (as far as I’m aware) and I find touchpad functionality like that very good. I have to work on a windows laptop for work and I game on a windows machine, but my personal laptop was an $800 Mac and the touchpad and window management is leagues above my $1400 work Windows

sugar_in_your_tea ,

Yup, I have a Logitech MX Master 3 at work and it works just fine while charging. Oh, and it has two real scroll wheels, a thumb button (great for switching workspaces), and is really comfortable to use. A magic mouse has none of those things.

At home I have a Logitech Triathlon at home, which I actually like better. There’s no horizontal scroll wheel, but the vertical scroll can tick side to side to get the same effect. It’s smaller, uses AA batteries, is more convenient to switch devices (I have it connected to my Steam Deck and another laptop), and the thumb button is easier to press.

I really don’t like the magic mouse. To be honest, I also don’t like my MacBook Pro, but I need it for work, so whatever. I guess I’m just not the target market.

Surp ,
@Surp@lemmy.world avatar

It’s 100% true

jerrythegenius ,
@jerrythegenius@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah it’s real. My parents have one.

doingthestuff , to programmer_humor in remember, if your gf isn't open source and running locally, you don't own her

Why would my hand do that to me? And how?

EmperorHenry , to memes in Important PSA
@EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

If the punishment for murder is paid administrative leave…

yogthos OP ,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

Then your job is to protect capital from the poors.

Timecircleline , to memes in Important PSA

Privilege means private law.

conorab , to memes in Important PSA

Would be nice to see fines replaced with community service in many cases. Though I feel like you would then need to ensure that those doing community service are compensated the equivalent of their wage(s) prior to conviction if community service requires you use hours otherwise used by your job. Otherwise, somebody dependent on their job effectively pays more for smaller fines due to loss of work. It would also help to prefer out-of-hours community service (weekends for example) to avoid losing hours from your job in the first place. Ideally, jail would be reserved for cases where the person is a genuine danger, rather than use it as punishment.

OpenStars ,
@OpenStars@startrek.website avatar

Except then you get the boss’ son “making coffee” at daddy’s (friend’s) company as their “service”. The rich will still find a way to game the system.

Which doesn’t mean that it’s not worth a try!:-)

brbposting ,

San Francisco lets people pay parking fines with community service, and I believe their answer to that would be they require sign offs from preapproved organizations. (Sure, somebody somewhere could take a bribe.)

xyguy , to programmerhumor in IT Help Desk

Don’t forget USB On the Go protocols! shudders

TakiMinase , to memes in Important PSA

That’s why a percentage of income should be the fine. Like the porsche man who got a $400000 fine. Rich prick wasn’t laughing all of a sudden.

Paradachshund ,

Was just about to say this, too. Fines are totally great if they’re a percentage of your wealth.

stoy ,

Several countries use a dayfine system, we in Sweden have used dayfines since 1931, Finland since 1921, Germany since 1969, There are a few more countries using the system, but I could not quickly find any historical data about them.

Dayfines are great and should be used globaly.

brbposting ,

A day-fine, day fine, unit fine or structured fine is a unit of payment for a legal fine which is based on the offender’s daily personal income. It is intended as a punishment financially equivalent to incarceration for one day without salary, scaled to equal impacts on both high- and low-income offenders. An analogy may be drawn with income tax, which is also proportional to income, or even levied at higher rates for higher incomes.

Jurisdictions employing the day-fine include Denmark (Danish: dagbøde), Estonia (Estonian: päevamäär), Finland (Finnish: päiväsakko), France (French: Jour-amende), Germany (German: Tagessatz), Sweden (Swedish: dagsbot), Switzerland, and Macao.

Neat!

nitneroc ,

Didn’t know we had that in France, never heard of anyone paying a fine other than a fixed amount (and 90℅ of the time 135€)

SturgiesYrFase ,
@SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml avatar

Sounds like lazy police

volvoxvsmarla ,

Great idea but still unfair. It is the same as a high salaried person being able to afford quitting their job and take a couple of months to look for another or go on parental leave. They can afford it because they have savings. A day fine will also hit the poorest the most, because they don’t have savings to afford paying such a fine.

And as @brisk pointed out, wealth isn’t income

HopFlop ,

Also, this would mean people with no money or income could do what they want without any consequences.

Im also failing to understand why successful people should supposedly be charged more. It doesnt make a difference if the person who committed the crime has more or less money, so they should be charged according to the crime, not what they have.

ipkpjersi ,

Im also failing to understand why successful people should supposedly be charged more. It doesnt make a difference if the person who committed the crime has more or less money, so they should be charged according to the crime, not what they have.

So the idea is that if something is a $10,000 fine, it will stop the average person from doing it, but it might not stop directors/owners of companies and it definitely won’t stop a company from doing it themselves.

rando895 ,

If you believe one is wealthier because they deserve it, through success, hardwork, etc , then shouldn’t these apparent shining examples of success also be held to a higher standard?

Or should we somehow decide the economic cost of someone doing something illegal, then charge everyone that? For example: the risk of speeding increases quadratically (E =1/2mV^2), the higher the speed. I.e the risk of death. Do we then set a speed limit, anything above which is considered illegal. Above this level, a fine or charge is incurred based on the likelihood of a crash killing someone upto and including the cost of one’s life.

But then it’s legal to kill someone if you are wealthy enough, and the poor are inherently the most moral group.

Or we could flat fine it; which disproportionately punishes the poor. Which is like saying “ohh you are poor and that’s your fault, just like speeding. Get fucked lol”.

I’m sure that there are other options but it’s a good idea to consider the potential ramifications of fees, fines, and other punishment structures, and how they influence the society we live in.

volvoxvsmarla ,

It doesnt make a difference if the person who committed the crime has more or less money

Of course it does. A poor person might find themselves in a situation where they have to steal groceries or other necessities for pure survival. If I were poor and needed diapers and there was no governmental support program available I would also steal them. Or formula or whatever. A rich person can afford all of that. If they steal groceries it is for the thrill, not out of necessity.

Also, note that really bad crimes (murder for example) are not fined. In that sense it does not matter what the financial status of the perpetrator is. Although filthy rich people can sometimes even buy their way out of these crimes.

HopFlop ,

You have a point but what about stuff like traffic violations? Nobody NEEDS to commit one, so should these fines be the same for everyone?

Also, following your example, person A making 75k/year and person B making 150k/year both have no necessitiy to steal groceries. Yet, if the fine was income-dependent, person B would have to pay way more.

deo ,

if the goal of the fine is to deter people from committing a traffic violation, the person making $150k will not be equally deterred compared to the person making $75k. If the fine has too little impact, it no longer works as a deterrent. This is especially true for things like parking tickets, where you aren’t necessarily putting yourself or others in danger like you might be for speeding (though, assuming the two people only differ in their income and all other variables – like how willing they are to drive dangerously – remain equal, then the point still stands).

HopFlop ,

Okay but then what about those poor people mentioned above that need to steal for necessities. Wouldn’t we want to deter them the most (as they are the most likely to commit the act)?

It doesnt seem logical to me to say that we should increase the fines to deter (wealthy) people more and at the same time say that we should lower the fines so (poor) people that are currently deterred can afford to break the law (?)…

deo , (edited )
  1. stealing != traffic violation. while stealing may have a fine associated with it, it’s generally based on restitution for the goods stolen + legal fees etc. So, you’re moving the goal posts on me, and my feelings about how to handle theft of necessities is tangential to the discussion (for the record, my feelings are: if you see someone stealing necessities, no you didn’t).
  2. You seem to not be getting that the goal should be equal deterrence regardless of income or wealth or whatever the most fair metric happens to be. IDK what the baseline fine should be, nor what the most fair way to scale the fines should be b/c i’m a chemist, not a sociologist or legal scholar. But at the end of the day, if the only punishment is a fine, the wealthy don’t have to give a shit.

Edit: for #2, let’s use time instead of money. If instead of paying a $1000 fine, you could do community service. But the “value” of your community service is tied to your wage/salary. So, someone making $10/hr has to do 100 hrs of community service, while someone else making $100/hr only has to do 10 hrs of community service. Is that still fair in your view?

HopFlop ,
  1. Lets focus on non-necessity acts here (e. g. traffic violations).
  2. Deterring people is not the only goal, it also needs to be fair/appropriate. And this is where, IMO, the income-adjusted fines fail.

Fines should be adjusted depending on the offense commited, possibly also taking into account the intentions. Personal wealth is not a factor that seems reasonable to me to take into account regarding the fairness.

Essentially, I believe that everybody should be treated equally before the law. Nobody should be treated better or worse (or have a better or worse punishment) just because of their social status. That’s why I believe that fixed fines are fair and the suggested varying punishments are not. I do recognize that they may deter wealthier people less.

deo ,

I agree that everyone should be equal under the law, but that doesn’t mean that fixed fines are fair. The same amount of money has a different value to different people, and that perceived value changes depending on one’s income and wealth.

IDK if you saw my edit in my previous response with the community service example, but I think that might help clear up where we’re diverging. If it takes me 10 hours of work to make enough money to pay the fine, but it takes you 100 hours of work to pay the fine for the exact same offense because our salaries are different, were we really punished equally?

HopFlop ,

I guess that depends on the metric you use. You say they should be punished by time (and so people who earn money more quickly should have to pay more). However, I see many problems with that and I think it would result in much less fair fines than now.

Picture two persons, one living in the countryside, one in a big city. The second person earns considerably more than the first because life in the city is just more expensive. Both persons have the same amount of money left at the end of the month (after paying the bells etc) but income-adjusted fines would mean person B would have to pay way more.

If it’s posession-bases instead (i.e. your fines depend on what you have/own) then what about some person who inherited a large house that is worth lots of money and has an otherwise normal job. This person may also have the same amount of money left at the end of the month as the other two persons but because of his big house, he’d have to pay even more, potentially sell his house because of a small offense.

deo ,

Do you think that rich people should have to serve shorter prison sentences because their time is more valuable? Do you at least SEE the parallel I’m trying to draw here?

And I already admitted that I don’t know what the optimal metric is. I just know that a flat fine that is the same for everyone, without taking into account their financial situation at all, is unfair.

HopFlop ,

Do you think that rich people should have to serve shorter prison sentences

Of course not. I completely get your point, you say (correct me if I’m wrong) that time is a fair metric for everyone. I respect that.

I agree, however I think money is too. Sure - some people have more or less money, and some people live longer or shorter lives. But everyone can still do the same in one hour and everyone can still buy the same things for 10€.

What I think is UNFAIR is trying to “convert” one metric to the other depending on personal wealth. If I get a fine, it should be a fixed amount of money IMO and if you charge me with time in some way then it should be a fixed amount of time.

volvoxvsmarla ,

Well we went down a road that I think we need to track back.

Poor people committing “necessary” crimes is not the focus and should not be. The whole idea of necessary crimes that should not be punished is awful - we should focus on building a society where people don’t end up in a position where they have to steal (etc.) to survive. If we are already thinking of how to better jurisdiction I’d argue we have space to assume we can also better their situation in general. We want to deter them from crimes the most, yes, but not by scaring them with the consequences of being caught - we want to deter them by making them unnecessary. No person should be poor, period.

I think what this comes down to is the question of fines themselves. It has almost something catholic about it. You buy yourself out of punishment. I’d argue that this concept is flawed in itself, no matter how you adjust it.

My guess is that this is what the post was supposed to say. Money in itself isn’t too much of a fair concept, or a just one. But punishment, law enforcement, etc, should be, despite taking place in a capitalist society.

What it comes down to would probably be something like social service (my guess). Is the crime committed violent and does the perpetrator pose a severe security risk to society? Then a correction facility that focuses on healing, mental and physical health, rehabilitation and reintegration into society should be the choice. The crime was something that could also be fined? Cut the fine, make it a social service. Picking up trash from sideroads, cleaning public toilets. This will benefit the public/society and no one can buy their way out of it.

HopFlop ,

Well, that would just shift the problem: Now, instead of wealthy people being less deterred, it’s the people with a bunch of free time that are less deterred (college kids screwing around, people with no job)…

Also, it doesnt benefit the society any more that the fine’s money would (assumuning the community service would be equivalent to the current monetary value). (There are also other problems like verifying the work is actually done and also small fines, like, am I supposed to pick up trash from the sidewalk for 2 minutes for jaywalking?)

saigot ,

Just out of curiosity, how does that work for foreigners, they would only be able to tell the income of citizens would they not?

stoy ,

A valid question, I unfortunately does not have an absolute answer as I don’t know, but we can speculate…

There are only two ways I could see this done.

  1. Ask the foreigner’s government for documentation on the subject.
  2. Ask the individual in question for proof of their income.
brisk ,

A percentage of income still isn’t equitable though.

If you’re destitute a week’s income means you starve.

If you’re a millionnaire a week’s income stings bit doesn’t affect much.

If you’re a billionnaire there is a good chance you don’t technically have an income, and if you do you can lose half of your wealth without feeling it.

pingveno ,

This is true, but you could still have a progressive fine. Very good point with the billionaire, though. They live in a completely different world, in terms of how their wealth flow works. Still, it seems like an alternative fine system could be worked out that would hit them hard.

Tak ,
@Tak@lemmy.ml avatar

The real solution is to remove the classes so high above everyone that the rules don’t apply. This is a difficult problem only because we’re talking about people who are so ludicrously wealthy a fine for literal hundreds of millions of dollars wouldn’t make them homeless.

pingveno , (edited )

I agree. John Oliver once referred to billionaires as something like a bug in the structure of the system, and I wholeheartedly agree with that analysis. Unfortunately, they’re a bug that’s not so easily dislodged. Until then, designing systems that are able to deal with their existence is the best way to deal with them.

Mangoholic ,

The billionaire might not feel it, but the money gained could be significant for all sorts of good things that help lift the burdon of the lower class.

JohnDClay , to memes in Important PSA

Punitive damages shouldn’t have a cap, and should be even greater than proportional, since it’s easier for someone who is richer to live on a smaller proportion of their income.

Monument , to programmer_humor in remember, if your gf isn't open source and running locally, you don't own her

I had a switch wig out today and whatever it was doing poisoned all the dhcp leases on the network as they came up for renewal (assigned IPs on the wrong subnet - even though it wasn’t supposed to assign IPs at all). It took me a very long time to figure out, because not everything failed at once. Plus, even after I’d swapped the switch, some devices just started working, and others needed their leases reset manually. An hour in, my wife was in the fetal position clutching a squishmallow.

NigelFrobisher ,

What’s a switch wig?

Monument ,

A hairy network issue!

Switch, wig out

The switch (that I’m returning today, after it failed completely yesterday evening) is a bit fancier than your average switch. It kept reverting to default settings, including its default IP address - which meant it was not using the same set of networking instructions as my router, preventing everything it was connected to from accessing the internet.

KillingTimeItself , to programmer_humor in remember, if your gf isn't open source and running locally, you don't own her

you can bet your ass my partner of any significant status is getting the open source software treatment as soon as possible.

Mostly because i actually just cannot use anything else, but we’ll pretend it’s noble instead.

Shareni ,

You’re going to start accepting pull requests from the community?

pimp

KillingTimeItself ,

im not rolling my own code here, i’m rolling other peoples code, that’s their pull request to deal with, not mine.

Saledovil , to funny in unusable mouse

I’m assuming it can hold a charge long enough that you can just charge it while you’re sleeping, and this won’t interrupt your work. On the other hand, if they had placed the socket in the front, you could work while you charge.

hexloc , to unixporn in [Haiku] Summertime vibes

what the heck that looks so cool! (i like the little robot icon on the bg)

Serpentian , to unixporn in [KDE Plasma] Simple?

Why do you need KDE? Emacs is full-fledged DE itself)

Btw, great idea with docks

knF , to unixporn in [Haiku] Summertime vibes

HaikuOS, simply FANTASTIC! Out of curiosity are you using it as a daily driver? I’ve tried early beta (2010 or so) and it was super fast but not enough to use it every day…

Serpentian OP ,

Just tested in VM. Still in beta, as stated on their site. Some apps are constantly crashing. It’s definitely not ready for daily use, unfortunately

Serpentian OP ,

Nah, I like window management in Haiku too much. I will give it a try on real hardware."

__matthew__ ,

I installed Haiku on this Laptop from 1999 once since it was actually the only non-windows OS I could get to run for some reason. Video driver was bugged tho so the screen was visually offset by ~100 pixels which made it too hard to use. Otherwise though it ran at a bearable normal speed which is a huge feat for the something like 500MHz processor and 500MB/1GB of RAM (I forget the exact specs).

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