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zephr_c , to memes in Principled Opposition

They’ve always been pretty open about supporting extremist nutjobs in swing districts, because extremist nutjobs do terribly in general elections in swing districts.

flamingo_pinyata , to memes in zodiac sign

While most zodiac signs are inspired by real animals, wtf is an “aquarius”?

Alexstarfire ,

An age. I heard a song about it.

joranvar ,

In Dutch we don’t use the Latin names for zodiac signs (and we call them “sterrenbeelden”, which means “star images” or maybe “star statues”). Aquarius is “waterman”, which I guess would translate to (surprise) “water man”.

Why? Not sure, but it might be because of Simon Stevin who insisted we use Dutch words for mathematical concepts, and thought up some words like “evenwijdig” (“same distancey”) for “parallel” and “wiskunde” (“certainty knowledge”) for mathematics.

cashews_best_nut ,

Dutch is a strange language.

joranvar ,

I agree, and I love how it has these younger words with a vivid etymology, how it shares so many common roots with English, German, the Scandinavian languages, and a serving of French, but also sprinkles of many other languages from its seafaring and otherwise trading history. And I love the grammar rules that allow one to be precise and concise in many things (but there we must definitely bow to German).

rbhfd ,

Literally, “water man” is correct. But I would translate it a bit more loosely as “water bearer”.

Most, if not all, names of zodiac signs in Dutchare are literal translations from Latin. But while most people understand that Leo means Lion, how many know Cancer is Latin for crab?

joranvar ,

Water bearer makes much more sense, thanks! I did notice the images where a guy carries a jug, but as a kid, I always imagined the water man to be some kind of elemental, and I never consciously challenged that idea. Haha.

psud ,

Aquarius in English is normally called “the water bearer” so a person carrying water (probably back from the well)

ExLisper ,

Gemini, Virgo, Libra and Sagittarius also are not animals. Almost half of them isn’t. But you’re technically correct that ‘most’ is. Which is the best kind of correct.

Perfide ,

Only half of the Zodiacs are inspired from real animals. Gemini is two humans, Virgo is a virgin woman, Libra is a Weighing Scale, Sagittarius is a Centaur with a bow, Capricorn is a Sea Goat, and Aquarius is… a cup of water, I guess?

Hestia , to memes in Solving the housing crisis
@Hestia@hexbear.net avatar

I’m actually pro-container housing, but for different reasons than these capitalist pig-dogs. They’re portable, easily customizable with the right know-how (easy to add expansions, and to move around different units to change the layout) and reuses the hollow remnants of this capitalistic hellscape for something worthwhile.

yogthos OP ,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

I agree, practically in every scenario where we see dystopian things happening, the underlying problem is capitalism as opposed to technology being abused by it.

profoundninja ,

I did a university project 10 years ago, “design an affordable environmentally friendly home”.

My idea was to reuse containers, at the time they were relatively cheap. Like practically free even.

My research results were quite disappointing though. Redesigning the containers was neither cost effective or environmentally friendly.

I wonder if that’s changed in the past decade?

HelixDab2 ,

Can you elaborate on that? Structurally they’re quite a bit sturdier than typical residential construction. You need doors and windows, but that’s a matter of cutting holes with a plasma torch. You can use 2x2 and foam board on the inside, and partially bury them in earth for the bulk of insulation, while running ducting, etc. under a raised floor. You certainly have limited space layouts–a CalKing bed ain’t fitting–but that’s not necessarily a deal breaker.

Personally, I lean more towards Quonset huts for inexpensive and durable construction.

Maoo ,
@Maoo@hexbear.net avatar

They have too many downsides. Most of them aren’t actually reusing containers because they’re usually too small and they’re coated with toxic materials that prevent mold and pests from living in them. They look large enough at first, but this is before you have to install a floor and walls and a ceiling with insulation all around and plumbing and electrical, etc. In addition, if you want to add windows by cutting into the sides, you’ve just undermined the structural integrity of the thing, as it’s premised on being exactly that (stackable) box. So then you have to reinforce the crap out of it if you want windows.

Putting all of that together, to safely put together a reasonably livable container home, you’re basically just using it as an aesthetic piece, as you’ve had to buy the shell new and then spend the rest of your budget trying to make it actually work as a home. It’s cheaper and better to build a small home with commodity materials unless you really, really want that aesthetic.

Hestia ,
@Hestia@hexbear.net avatar

I had a job modifying them before. We actually completely removed the support bars in the middle. It does not compromise the structural integrity at all. They’re only nessessary if you’re filling them up with shit and stacking them up dozens of units high. You can then add walls, ceilings, and roofs that pop up out of the side of the structure, expanding the size from the initial footprint.

And if you have multiple units, you can connect and expand your living space that way. Get sick of the current layout? You can rearrange the units relatively easy, and if you ever want to move, it’s a hell of a lot easier to move than a full sized house.

It’s also possible to remove the toxic coating. It’s not imbued into the metal.

While they’re not without their downsides, that goes for every type of structure and every type of building material. Alot of the downsides you listed though are non-issues and I know this because of my own experience working on them. The biggest downsides are cost (which isn’t the best indicator of viability, capitalism skews our perception of value with cost) and the fact that simply put… They’re pretty fucking ugly.

Maoo ,
@Maoo@hexbear.net avatar

The side walls are actually very important for the structural integrity of shipping containers. If you cut holes in it, it absolutely needs to be reinforced or your new roof line is going to sag over time. They’re built as cheaply as possible to accomplish their exact task, which is holding a bunch of crap and being stackable, and the side walls provide both tension to hold together the frame (basically a box) and to provide rigidity to both floor and the top. I reeeally hope y’all reinforced the areas around windows.

You can do a bunch of things to shipping containers to make them viable, but it’s far more expensive in materials and time than just building with more raw materials. You can remove the toxic coating but you have to have a whole human do the labor for that and do is safely, otherwise that human is paying for that decision with their health. The materials and labor for that aren’t nothing.

When you look at what is actually used from the container in order to create a house, it’s really not that much. Basically just framing of questionable stability and some corrugated metal siding, possibly the cheapest and easiest part of building a house. I can personally frame up something container-sized in less than a day, easy peasy. Siding and drywall are also easy. The harder parts are everything the container doesn’t provide: foundation, vapor barriers, plumbing, electrical, a good roof, any specialized need for insulation, efficient ventilation / heating / cooling, making sure safety elements are up to code.

In terms of mobility, I would not recommend moving a container home that has been substantially modified unless it’s been upgraded for exactly that. They can only be safely moved using the corners to distribute the weight, hence the special container arms at shipping yards that grab the corners. If you put a custom roof on there or otherwise make it so you can’t grab those corners, there’s a good chance the whole thing falls apart unless you’ve reinforced it to be mobile using yet more investment.

Thcdenton , to memes in zodiac sign

Whatevs more freaky rock ladies for me

afraid_of_zombies ,

Don’t in crazy. Listen to your elders junior.

Gbagginsthe3rd , to memes in Solving the housing crisis

You forgot to include that because of bad politics we now rely on corporations to help…

Some one has to make money to help the poor!

pseudo , (edited ) to memes in zodiac sign
@pseudo@jlai.lu avatar

Actually they do. The zodiac sign constellation of a day correspond to the constellation over which the sun while be at noon. So you do have a zodiac sign constellation associated to your day of bird. But depending on how your culture group stars in constellations you might be from a different zodiac. If you want to follow a classical westerner map of the sky, they will be 13 of them.

Also, note that the zodiac signs won’t cut the year in equal parts. Some constellations are just bigger than other and the sun path across the sky changes more or less quickly from a day to another depending on the time of the year.

Edit : typo

BennyHill500 ,

The constellations are made up too so no they don’t

pseudo , (edited )
@pseudo@jlai.lu avatar

That is not because something is made up that it does not exist. I made up this message hence it exists.
Cultures group stars together in what is called constellations, hence constellations exist.

DragonTypeWyvern ,

He made up the sign and constellation Dinosaur.

abfarid ,
@abfarid@startrek.website avatar

Yeah, I also didn’t like the wording of the meme. It’s like saying “Santa Claus doesn’t exist”. He does exist, he’s just not a real person, but he exists as a concept and influences millions of people.

pseudo ,
@pseudo@jlai.lu avatar

I would go even further : Santa Claus is presented as a actual person that we all know does not exist even though the concept exists. But noone ever pretended that Zodiac are a physical thing, it’s a concept and concepts can’t get more real that being conceptualized.

Ludrol ,
@Ludrol@szmer.info avatar

He did exist but the time distorted his image and lost any resamblance to an actual person

abfarid ,
@abfarid@startrek.website avatar

I’m aware that he’s the basis of the modern Santa Claus (I’ve actually been to Demre), but I would argue that the modern Claus is a separate entity/concept at this point.

lars ,

Whoa — 13 signs that are not each 1/13 years long??

pseudo ,
@pseudo@jlai.lu avatar

Check out wikipedia. There is two pages each time one for the zodiac sign and one for the constellation.
And if you go to the french version, the dates at which the sun cross the constellation are each time in the introduction. It’s the date of the first paragraph. The ones the second paragraph is the dates is in astrology, for disambiguation. The comparaison are harder with the english articles.

BennyHill500 , to memes in zodiac sign

The constellations are made up too so no they don’t

zxqwas , to memes in zodiac sign

Turns out you can make up any arbitrary distinctions and they just start existing. The question is if they severe any useful purpose.

I can make zodiac 2.0 exist by adding shoe size to distinguish between regular aquarius and aquarius without platypus (above EU 42 is with). So now the Zodiac 2.0 exists with the same predictive power as 1.0.

ExLisper ,

What do you predict for regular Aries this week?

zxqwas ,

Exercise diligence when putting your shoes on, pay special attention to the laces or you will suffer great sorrow.

Ludrol ,
@Ludrol@szmer.info avatar

Don’t worry we already have Zodiac 2.0

TheBat ,
@TheBat@lemmy.world avatar
Kusimulkku ,

I’m disappointed none of these are Github links

jaybone ,

This one is like a D&D game.

afraid_of_zombies ,

Except no where near as fun

DessertStorms ,
@DessertStorms@kbin.social avatar

zodiac 2.0

Already kind of a thing, since the constellations the zodiacs were based on have moved since they were "decided", and no longer match what people continue to use:
https://www.npr.org/2023/12/31/1222132825/checking-your-2024-horoscope-astronomy-explains-why-your-sign-might-have-changed

Assian_Candor , to memes in Solving the housing crisis
@Assian_Candor@hexbear.net avatar

Alexa, what is zoning

TheBat , to memes in zodiac sign
@TheBat@lemmy.world avatar

Considering how the universe is full of stuff circling around stuff circling around stuff circling around… the zodiac signs have moved over the last couple of millenias.

dangblingus ,

Not that I believe in astrology, but just because the constellations moved doesn’t mean that humans weren’t able to track them. They still form a ring around Earth and the precession of the Zodiacs still occurs.

shoop ,

I believe the point is not that the zodiacs don’t occur at all, it’s that the time you are born is no longer the same time the original zodiac occured.

Perfide ,

The fact humans are able to track them is how we know the zodiacs are no longer accurate. According to astrology if you were born on Dec. 1 for example, you’re considered a Sagittarius… except you’re ACTUALLY a Scorpio, due to the constellations shifting.

dangblingus ,

They weren’t ever accurate. It’s just for fun.

starman ,
@starman@programming.dev avatar

Yup, position of zodiac constellations has changed, thanks to axial precession

Tankiedesantski , to memes in zodiac sign

Pfffft if none of them exist then how did the Rat play a flute while standing on the head of the Ox to impress the Jade Emperor and become the first zodiac sign?

Checkmate, atheist.

PatMustard , to memes in Principled Opposition

If you have two potential opponents, a slightly crazy one and a really crazy one, and you think you’re more likely to be able to beat the really crazy one then it’s a calculated risk to try and help the really crazy one beat the slightly crazy one for you. Your gamble doesn’t pay off if suddenly the really crazy one beats you though.

93maddie94 ,
@93maddie94@lemm.ee avatar

Not only that, the article states that they’ve only succeeded 4 out of 13 times getting the really crazy one nominated. So they’re playing with fire and wasting millions.

archomrade ,

And if the four times they succeeded, how many times did they lose to the crazy opponent?

yogthos OP ,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

Which one is the slightly crazy one, would that be the one that’s conducting a literal genocide right now?

AVincentInSpace ,

First of all, define “conducting”, second of all, you cannot seriously tell me you believe that Trump, if elected, will stop funneling arms to Gaza

yogthos OP ,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

Conducting as in actively engaged in supplying Israel with weapons used to commit the genocide, running political cover for Israel at the UN by doing vetoes of ceasefire resolutions, and attacking Yemen for interdicting shipping with Israel. I imagine that Trump will continue largely the same policies, but that just shows that both parties are genocidal fascists.

AVincentInSpace ,

If it’s all the same to you, then, I’ll vote for the candidate that isn’t saying he wants to bring the fascism to our side of the pond. I’m not okay with what’s happening in Israel, dgmw, but given the choice between mass death over there, and mass death over there and mass deportations and anti-human rights laws back home, I’ll go with the first option.

I am sincerely begging everyone reading this to vote for someone other than Biden in the Democratic primary, but if it comes down to Biden or Trump, please, please tell me that you will vote for Biden instead of staying home

yogthos OP ,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

Vote for whatever flavor of fascism that you feel fits you best. I’m not stopping you. Meanwhile, I’m not an American and I’m just watching your shithole country tear itself apart from the outside.

AVincentInSpace ,

I’m not sure there’s anything I can do in this situation that would cause you not to call me a fascist. If that’s your position, find a different position.

yogthos OP ,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

If you think that voting for one fascist over the other makes you a good person then maybe take a bit time to think about your morals. Unlike you, I don’t need to do mental gymnastics to justify supporting fascists.

AVincentInSpace ,

You’re right. Instead of voting for either candidate I should just… what? Move to whatever country you live in? Worse, stay home and stick it to both candidates by showing them I’d be okay with either one?

There are some really stupid liberal takes out there, but “voting for either one makes you complicit in fascism” is by far the stupidest.

yogthos OP ,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

Maybe what you should do is consider how your country got where it is today. People like you voted for Biden last election, what has that achieved? Trump is more popular than ever, and Biden is conducting a genocide, while being involved in wars around the globe. If you think voting for Biden again is going to change the trajectory of things then I got a bridge to sell you. You have a fascist state, and both parties represent the ruling class that makes decisions. That’s what it means to live in a fascist state, it’s not a democracy. Your voting does not matter, it’s just a circus to make the feeble minded feel like they have participation. Don’t take it from me though, here’s what a study analyzing decades of US policy under both parties has to say:

What do our findings say about democracy in America? They certainly constitute troubling news for advocates of “populistic” democracy, who want governments to respond primarily or exclusively to the policy preferences of their citizens.

AVincentInSpace , (edited )

What voting for Biden will accomplish is preventing Trump from entering office and all of my rights from being stripped away, and that is very important to me.

Your take seems to be “I’m so leftist I refuse to vote because voting is pointless.” If that’s correct, then I’m going to choose to believe you’re a right wing troll who’s trying to convince me not to vote so your candidate will win, because that’s easier than believing that anyone on Earth is so far up their own ass that they’ve convinced themselves that doing nothing and letting the world get worse on its own is the best political statement they can make.

joenforcer ,

Ignore this guy. I’m seeing a lot of “both sides bad” hot takes lately and I get the feeling we’re seeing a lot of seeds of doubt disinformation spreading like we got back in 2016. Abandon the troll, he can’t vote anyway.

Facebones , (edited )

“Anybody left of Biden is a troll and worse than Republicans”

Y’all out here claiming to not be fascist but you’ve got exactly one song to sing and it’s fascist as hell. “We aren’t fascist we’re just the only chance to save this country and anybody left of us is explicitly less than human and will be referred to as such at every possible turn”

joenforcer ,

Nobody said any of that. Get over your persecution complex.

yogthos OP ,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

Ah yes, just like voting Biden prevented abortion rights from being stripped away, or stopped the concentration camps on the border, or stopped endless wars. Yeah, I totally see why it’s so important to vote Biden.

Again, I’ll try spell it out for you. I absolutely don’t care whether you vote or not. If it makes you feel like you’re participating politically, go ahead vote for Biden and feel like you’ve accomplished something. Your country is still going to be fascist and your right will still be stripped away, but you’ll get to feel really smug by having voted. The fact that Americans see voting as peak political participation is absolutely hilarious.

AVincentInSpace ,

WHAT. WOULD. YOU. HAVE. ME. DO. INSTEAD?

yogthos OP ,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

Educate yourself on effective methods of building grassroots power. You can read up on how the labour movement organized in US back in the 30s which lead to the New Deal. Organize with people in your local community and help educate them. Join a principled organization that’s trying to effect meaningful change.

Again, I’m not telling you not to vote. That’s just a straw man you keep erecting here. What I’m actually telling you is that voting on its own doesn’t accomplish much of anything.

cuerdo , to memes in zodiac sign

I would argue that the zodiac is the proto-science of psychology.

This is people trying to find behavioral patterns

HikingVet ,

Faulty pattern recognition isn’t something we should be holding on to.

Honytawk ,

It is the alchemy to the chemistry is what they are saying

HikingVet ,

And how many people are still using Alchemy?

explodicle ,

They told us the history of alchemy in chemistry class, it’s good to know the context.

HikingVet ,

Yes, but no one credible still uses it. Which was the point I was making.

beardown ,

“I turned 5 pounds of lead into gold this morning using this one weird trick that chemists HATE! Subscribe to my premium substack to learn more!”

Rodeo ,

So not at all based in science? Interesting as a historical curiosity but nothing more?

maynarkh ,

Interesting because of the psychological insights into not how all people are, but how people make up theories in general. Same way religion has scientific significance in an anthropological sense.

Rodeo ,

Perhaps “historical curiosity” was a little obtuse of me.

cuerdo ,

The problem is that we still don’t have a proper pattern recognition. We could discard all the soft sciences such as Economics, Sociology or Psychology.

psud ,

What hard sciences could replace economics and sociology? They’re not very rigorous, but they seem to be useful. Psychology also takes some load off psychiatrists

cuerdo ,

Astrology is also useful.

HikingVet , (edited )

So is palm reading; for grifters.

afraid_of_zombies ,

I just did a quick search and the difference between seeing astrology talk about fate vs personality is at least 1200 years apart.

cuerdo ,

Economic Science is also about fate

afraid_of_zombies ,

Cough… science…cough

Mango ,

Fuck those people who wanna categorize me so they can ignore who I actually am and just put a handle on me.

cuerdo ,

They want to understand you

Mango ,

No they don’t. They want to put me in a neat little box for easy handling.

HikingVet ,

Then they should talk to me, rather than rely on generalizations that were created a couple of thousand years ago and revived by new age mystics.

LukeySixx , to memes in zodiac sign
@LukeySixx@lemmy.world avatar

That made me spit out my coffee🤣

menemen , to memes in zodiac sign
@menemen@lemmy.world avatar

This is dumb. Dinosaurs looks are so diverse. He should have chosen a specific one.

Jorgelino ,

At least narrow it down to clade, like just Theropods or something.

Johanno ,

Dinosaur fish!

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