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Luci , to nostupidquestions in Is it me or is everyone in hexbear insane?
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Just you.

mub , to asklemmy in What game, book, TV show, and/or movie do you wish you could experience for the first time again?

Game: To the moon

Book: The Culture novels by Iain M. Banks

TV: Star Wars Rebels

Movie: Alien

blackris , to games in What's your favorite controller?
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Ducky One 3 TKL + Logitech G305 or the 8BitDo Pro 2, depending on the genre.

WhyJiffie , to technology in What kind of messaging apps do you use?

I only have Telegram and Matrix. SMS? To me that sounds to be a huge step back, even from Telegram

algorithmae , to nostupidquestions in Is it me or is everyone in hexbear insane?
FundMECFSResearch ,

And increasingly lemmy.ml, sadly

SARGE ,
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They’re getting there, but so far it’s only a few users that I’ve noticed.

One guy seems to be following me around to attempt mockery.

They’re very much getting to “everyone who isn’t farther left than me is a right-wing nazi” mentality.

FundMECFSResearch ,

They aren’t even really left. They are super authoritarian.

I blocked them since they spew Russian and Chinese propaganda points and take revisionist stances on Tianman square and deny the Uyghur Genocide.

OpenStars ,
@OpenStars@discuss.online avatar

Many people playing “leftist” are this way, sadly. And <insert religion here>, and <insert country name here> as well, but my favorite example is “conservatives”… who despite both the name itself and the claim to want to return to “traditional” values, instead want to radically overthrow everything that has arisen for the past several hundreds of years.

It turns out that it is really, really, really hard to be truly honest with oneself, about whatever it is that we choose to believe.

skooma_king ,

How are you blocking full instances? I’ve been playing wack-a-mole blocking communities. I’m using Voyager on iOS, if that matters.

Summzashi ,

Settings > filters & blocks

skooma_king ,

Thanks!

Pilon23 ,
skooma_king ,

Thanks!

samus12345 ,
@samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

Th ability to do so was added a while back.

Steve ,
14th_cylon , to nostupidquestions in Is it me or is everyone in hexbear insane?

Just wait until they start swarming in this thread, they will leave you with no doubts whatsoever. ;)

SkyezOpen ,

This community is in world which defederated from hexbear and grad a while ago so we should be safe from most of em.

58008 , to science_memes in Meetings
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I have a question about the waggle dance: How do the other bees see and read it? Looking at it from a top-down perspective, humans can see it clearly, but the bee standing on the same plane and looking at the dancing bee - which is the same size as he is - surely can’t see the details? Especially when there’re 50 other bees moving around.

Another question is how does the information propagate through the hive? Or does it only need to be seen by a few and then those bees can just say “follow me” in chemical speak?

Cheers!

praise_idleness , to technology in What kind of messaging apps do you use?

I use Signal with my girlfriend. Others only use Kakaotalk, which is a shittier South Korean Whatsapp clone with more ads and more ways to make money off of you and occasionally SMS.

terminal ,

Exactly the same here. I loathe kakao

praise_idleness ,

There is no app that I hate more than Kakaotalk.

OpenStars , to nostupidquestions in Is it me or is everyone in hexbear insane?
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Not all, but it’s definitely not for everyone’s tastes. Just block the instance and move on. Go to your user settings, blocks tab, scroll way down to instance, and put hexbear.net. You will still see posts from it and its users, but still that improves things immensely e.g. you won’t see communities on it anymore and you won’t receive notifications for when the people continue to respond to you weeks and weeks and weeks after some innocuous comment you made that they did not agree with hard enough and thus earned their undying ire.

I would rather in the future see such things be opt-in rather than opt-out… but then I don’t run an instance and this is what we have now.

Also most instances already defederate from lemmygrad.ml for the same reasons, but not yours so if you do it for hexbear.net then you should probably do it for lemmygrad.ml too while you are at it.

And then eventually, even if months later, you will find yourself doing this again for Lemmy.ml, for vastly reduced but again still similar reasons. That one will cost you some good communities, but is more than worth the cost imho to entirely transform your experience on the Fediverse, to have blocked the big three. Also some people add Midwest.social but I haven’t done that one yet. All of those call themselves “leftists” but more importantly somehow feel that their political beliefs entitle them to behave like jerks - not uniformly so but as you are seeing, definitely it’s a noticeable pattern.

The motto of the Fediverse: to stay sane, block early, and block often. To which I will add: you cannot control the entire world, only yourself, i.e. if it drives you crazy to see such, then curate your experiences.

EABOD25 OP , (edited )

Thanks for the info. Already took care of that. Kind of annoying and disappointing that people won’t treat other people better

OpenStars ,
@OpenStars@discuss.online avatar

Kind of annoying and disappointing that people won’t treat other people better

There, ftfy.

But also, that’s their right if that’s how they want to be… I suppose. It’s just that, again, I wish that it - like porn - were opt-in, or at least fucking labelled with a warning, rather than make each new Fedizen figure this out entirely on their own. Every single person that I’ve told about Lemmy comes back a week later with the same questions… did you know what all is on there? Places like Chapotraphouse are extremely special, but again, like porn, I’m not arguing that they should not exist, just that they be opt-in, possibly by labeling them. Not everyone wants to see random dicks in their All feed.

MysticKetchup , (edited ) to newcommunities in Fandoms - active communities promotion thread

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!MTG is the main one but !Spoilers is hopping with Duskmourn reveals right now

Edit: also !art if you just want to see some pretty pictures

Akasazh , to lemmyshitpost in this game much bad!!!1
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yournamehere , to asklemmy in Why does it seem the world is all of a sudden concerned about sexual orientation? Especially America. Did I miss how far we came as a society to see it take a 40 year step backwards?

american school system. decades of wrong education by specialising while not having broader knowledge and making education a side hustle while college football is their slave business.

this has led to a mostly degenrated society. an idiocracy.

aida , to piracy in Keeping our cultural memory intact

where can i still get the wii u library?

SomethingBurger ,

On the Switch /s

Scrollone ,

From the official Nintendo server, if you have an app that then removes the protection from the downloaded files.

Azzu , to nostupidquestions in Is it me or is everyone in hexbear insane?

They’re not insane, they’re just victims of tribal thinking like the rest of us. Very narrow worldview reinforced by the others around them, bashing outsiders, thinking “they” are smarter than everyone else. Mostly, they see themselves as good and everyone else as bad, which isn’t very unique among humans either. I don’t think hexbear is worse than anywhere else.

You’re doing the same right now probably.

EABOD25 OP ,

I have to disagree with your last sentence. I do my best to treat people on the internet like I’m talking to them face-to-face. It’s the least that people deserve.

Azzu ,

You can do these things while talking face-to-face with somebody.

Calling a whole bunch of different people with different opinions than you, that you don’t all know, “insane”, seems to me like you feel you are smarter/better than them.

EABOD25 OP ,

Would you insult and belittle people in person? That’s what I’m referring to. You give them an opposing view and they go insane. I don’t care if they have a different opinion. Their opinion doesn’t impact my life. But if some of those people talked like that to people’s faces, they’d probably get punched

Azzu ,

The times I went there with differing opinions I never got insulted. They think their views are right and (sometimes) mine wrong. They also shared their reasons and tried in their way to educate me. They have their own culture over there that is more rude/direct than normal, but it’s certainly possible to speak normally to them.

EABOD25 OP ,

Don’t get me wrong. I’m spoke generally, but it’s impossible for everyone there to be crappy

PopOfAfrica ,

They have an entire sub called “thedunktank” that is about sending targeted harassment to specific users.

14th_cylon ,

Defending communist genocide wanabes with moral relativism makes me think you are neither smarter nor better than them.

Just because someone is in big group doesn’t mean he is good person and deserves any kind of respect.

Azzu ,

I think all people deserve respect by default. Only through someone’s actions may the respect for them be rescinded. Calling a whole bunch of people something is just almost never correct and only furthers any already existing divide.

14th_cylon ,

Yeah, no. For example once you join the Nazi party, you gave up your right to be given benefit of the doubt. I am not going to waste my time on a theory that maybe you are a good nazi.

Same goes for when you join hexbear.

snooggums ,
@snooggums@midwest.social avatar

Everyone does deserve to be treated with respect by default. Respect is earned, and is not the same thing.

Choosing to associate with certain groups is an action for which respect may be rescinded.

mathemachristian ,

Im going to link your conversation here, where people were giving you detailed responses and you just kept shrugging them off so others can judge for themselves:

lemm.ee/post/41483398/14572285

OpenStars ,
@OpenStars@discuss.online avatar

Genocide vs. harsh words are also similar in kind and differ “only” in degree… but that still makes them pretty different overall! Similarly, over-eating to become a little overweight, vs. being massively obese like 500+ lbs (226.8kg), is again a difference in degree though not in kind (perhaps? or arguably is there a threshold where…?). Another comparison could be Lemmy/Mbin(/Sublinks/Piefed/etc.) vs. Reddit: different in degree… but both are social networks so should we say not entirely in kind?

The average behavior of people experiencing hexbear from the outside - i.e. who did not choose it intentionally - is objectively much worse, compared to an instance such as lemm.ee. Again, in degree, even if not in kind. (you can literally measure the effect quantitatively, e.g. by counting the number of complaints lodged against it, such as this post; it may not be as hard a science as physics, but then again, other than physics, what is?)

Azzu ,

I agree. But is a statement like “everyone in hexbear is insane” helpful in any way at all in this situation? The only thing it serves is to further any divide and cause more hostility.

OpenStars ,
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They’re not insane, they’re just victims of tribal thinking like the rest of us. Very narrow worldview reinforced by the others around them, bashing outsiders, thinking “they” are smarter than everyone else. Mostly, they see themselves as good and everyone else as bad, which isn’t very unique among humans either.

Absolutely yes. I should have clarified that I agree with your first several points:-). I only disagreed (somewhat strongly) with the last one. Definitely the “is everyone insane (except me ofc 🙃)?” is hyperbolic, and mostly venting, and I even treated it as being a silly / unserious wording, but also halfway serious in terms of seeking information and reassurance that the Fediverse is worth visiting, if someone is more careful where they tread.

Therefore, the OP is not doing the identical thing in reverse, imho, b/c OP is responding to the way that they were treated, which is necessarily not thought-out fully but rather a knee-jerk reaction. OP came to us for help in emotionally processing what(ever) happened to them, whereas people on hexbear.net continually act that way for years and years, plus actively resist any efforts to change (which OP hasn’t even had the opportunity to do yet, this post being mere hours old), which seems to me more than enough time for them to have settled and made a conscientious, intentional decision as to how they want to live their lives. So again, yes OP may have done something of a similar nature, at least similar in kind, but the fact that the degree differs makes all the difference in the world. Maybe?

As for creating division and causing hostility, definitely users of Chapotraphouse have been known to do similarly… but if you want to respond that we should hold ourselves to a higher standard, then I will preemptively agree.:-) Except that the Fediverse has in the past allowed no distinction between communities - TheDonald (if one existed here) would be presented to a (especially new) user in exactly the same manner as e.g. No Stupid Questions (technically I believe that 0.19.5 introduced the allowance for labelling a community by an instance owner, though I am aware of zero communities so far that have used this feature, and many instances have not even upgraded to it yet - at least mine has not yet, though I see that yours has and more are catching up as time passes, maybe even most of the major ones at this point? so maybe there are such labels all around and I am simply not seeing them, though reports such as OP’s and lack of discussion about such makes me strongly doubt that). Except the former would be much more likely to ban you outright for asking a “stupid” question (in their eyes), since as we agree, they feel themselves to be the sole arbiters and conveyors of truth, and moreover, unlike you and I who are discussing this topic so politely (and even pleasantly?) here, are not open to any dissenting POVs (+ are much more likely to enact a full-on ban rather than mere post removal).

Fwiw, I liken it to porn. If someone wants that… then they should be allowed to have it - why should I try to block someone’s access to a contentious conversation, or impinge upon freedom of speech in any way? On the other hand, when someone else’s freedom to speak impinges upon MY freedom to not have to listen to such crap, especially when it blows up my inbox (for WEEKS and WEEKS and WEEKS after I stopped responding!!!), that’s where I draw the line. That’s literally not what “freedom” means - except in their eyes, where they feel that they should be free to ban outsiders, but not for outsiders to block them in return. Put another way: we control ourselves rather than spew our thoughts uncontrollably onto someone, but so many people on certain instances do the opposite, since their culture has taken root to actively applaud that behavior. And yet, except on instances that have already banned hexbear.net (& lemmygrad.ml, and imho lemmy.ml as well, except no major instances do the latter afaik), new users are constantly exposed to that porn style of “contentious content”, which goes against Western standards of normal behavior, without any such warning messages. Thereby leading to posts such as OP’s, who was shocked to see it. As so many have been before, and so many will continue to be, unless something is done about it.

So what I am getting at is that in large measure, what causes division and hostility is coming across such a thing unawares. If it were labelled, it would be different - e.g. if you clicked upon a post with an interesting title and a warning popped up “Warning: this community have chosen to voluntarily label itself as containing NSFW/NSFL “potentially contentious content”, please read this [external statement] before replying to anyone in it.” (and then had an option to not show again, when the user feels that they understand and don’t need the warning anymore)

But when you are just scrolling your All feed, as a day- or week-1 Fedizen, and suddenly come upon such graphic/contentious content… it can be more than a little jarring. So it’s not merely their particular style that is the problem, but rather (like porn) it is the infringement of that style upon the unaware users on the rest of the worldwide Fediverse.

I hope this further explanation was of interest to you:-).

Asafum ,

Honestly my only issue with them is literally anyone who is not them is “an evil pro-genocide lib” (lib, liberal is like the biggest insult they can throw at you as it’s essentially the definition of their opposition.) Doesn’t exactly feel great to see an entire community see you as the absolute evil and everything that is wrong with the world just because you may not agree that an economy run by committee is the best way, or that an authoritarian “vanguard” is the right way to a better society.

If they’re all about workers solidarity and community then they should try to see us if anything as simply “ignorant” not stupid, not willingly aiding genocide, just lacking information that they could help share. Instead a lot of them are just vicious. There are some like Cowbee that seem like good people who want to help others understand their views.

OpenStars ,
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You catch more flies with honey than vinegar indeed:-).

Asafum ,

That’s a phrase I live my life by to be honest lol

neidu2 , to nostupidquestions in Is it me or is everyone in hexbear insane?

I will not define insanity or who is or isn’t, but hexbear users’ stances and opinions tend to be missing nuance as one often do when one is terminally online and mostly form opinions based on the reverberations of an echo chamber.

They do occasionally have a golden meme, though. But the amount of shit coming from there got too tiresome, and I could only look past so many genocide denials before I ended up blocking the entire instance.

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