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Mpeach45 , to linux in How can we make Linux more appealing as "just works"?
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I’m a very casual Linux user and in my experience, I’ve NEVER had a problem with a documented solution that didn’t require going down a rabbit hole of other references.

Something like this: “To get the trackpad to work with Ubuntu, make sure you’ve installed the hergelbergelXX package.” (No link, find it on your own!)

Visit the HergelBergelXX page. To install Hergelbergel on Ubuntu, you must install the framisPortistan Package Manager. (No link!)

On the FramisPortistan GitHub readme, we discover it requires the JUJU3 database system to be installed. “JUJU3 may cause conflicts with installed USB devices under Ubuntu” JUJU2, which shipped with Ubuntu, is no longer supported. Also we recommend Archie&Jughead Linux over other distributions.

And this essentially never stops.

All of this is comparatively a happy result—I actually DID post a question on linuxnoobs about getting my trackpad to work with Ubuntu… and have not had a single reply. I have no idea how to find out how to make it work.

NiPfi ,

I had similar stories getting Wireless Networking to work on some devices before. Good thing is, there are drivers for most, if not all, default hardware interfaces directly in the kernel nowadays and if a device has any sort of popularity it will be supported before long if it isn’t out of the box.

Iapar ,

Hat a problem with WLAN on a laptop when I tried to install fedora. The solution was to install Linux mint with LAN\internet and let the driver manager figure it all out.

Maybe that helps.

cron , to fediverse in How about during the signup process(step) the user gets instance allocated randomly?

Most users that are not from the english-speaking world can just join one of the few servers in their language:

  • german: 2 servers
  • spanish: 2 servers
  • portoguese: 2 servers
  • italian: 1 server
  • polish: 1 server

Source: join-lemmy.org

Blaze ,
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The list of communities by country is in the sidebar of !yurop

Goronmon , to games in Is Elder Scrolls 6 doomed to fail? I can't see how it will work

I feel like your post was being overly dramatic and then I noticed your comment about Starfield being a one out of ten game, and at that point it’s hard to take you seriously.

The second strike was Fallout 76, crazy how disappointing his game was and even to this day is still broken and in disarray.

Fallout 76 may not be an amazing game, but they’ve turned it into something pretty enjoyable to play, and from my experience a couple years ago “broken” as an adjective doesn’t really make sense as the game ran and played perfectly well.

They failed spectacularly with Fallout 4, which took the gaming industry by surprise after seeing how poorly developed it was, and the extreme low quality of the story, how unfinished the game was, how simply broken many areas and features were, I could talk about it for hours.

So, clearly you are just trying to push an agenda for some reason and are just making things up whole cloth at this point. I’m not sure what fantasy world you are living in but this isn’t based in reality. It’s just something you’ve made up in your head.

Also, I don’t see the point in doom-posting about a game that’s years away from release. What’s the reason for fantasizing about a game’s failure? Is it that people enjoy drama like the recent Concord release and are trying to look for future games to chase the same high?

TrousersMcPants ,

Also don’t forget the developers for Fallout 76 are completely seperate from the devs for mainline elder scrolls and fallout and the only prior experience they had as a studio was making the multiplayer for doom 2016

acosmichippo ,
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the thing with Starfield and F76 is that all of their major problems won’t exist in ES6 simply due to the format differences. I’m confident they’ll churn out another ES game roughly on par with the last few.

thingsiplay , to linux in How can we make Linux more appealing as "just works"?

The problem is, that no operating system “just works”. It also highly depend on what the person wants to achieve, and if there are any pre experience with computers or even relying on existing software or specific hardware. My recommendation is not to tell people the illusion of “just works” and be honest upfront. People should learn how it works, what to expect and if tradeoffs, time and resources are worth it.

Same is true for the other way too. Does Windows “just works”? Especially if someone switches from Linux to Windows.

Rather, we should teach the reasons to switch and encourage that decision. In example why it matters to have control over your system, rather than the company has control over it (MacOS and Windows) or why spying on you is bad (Windows). And encourage giving up something you are used to (and maybe paid). Sometimes its okay to use a program that is not as good as Photoshop. Sometimes its okay to give up playing a videogame you like (and maybe associated with friends playing that game with you). But most people are not ready to do it, because that is associated with lowering quality of life.

I switched in 2008 from Windows XP to Ubuntu. I know these struggles. And they are not over yet. This is an ongoing task between my brother and me too, and he was using the Steam Deck, but decided to go with Windows 11 with the recent build. It was almost there, but there is always a butt. I say, don’t tell people that “Linux just works”. No operating system “just works”.

ReversalHatchery ,

I hate to say this, but windows rarely breaks itself from updates. basic things like the desktop, audio and the lock screen is essentially never broken after an update.

yeah it may reset the audio settings and other such things, and I don’t know how do they manage to do that, but that’s relatively simple to revert.

probably it’s just thanks to old, battle tested code though. can’t wait for Linux desktop systems to reach that point

thingsiplay ,

Most common Linux distributions focused on stability do not randomly break with updates. That’s usually not an issue. Basic things like Desktop and audio or lock screen are also never broken after an update. But it depends on the Linux operating system you are using (there are thousands of Linux operating systems and they can vastly differ) and what hardware and habits you have. Windows biggest strength is that it gets the most support from developers and being basically only one distribution to target.

But calling Windows “battle tested code” is a bit of stretch. Windows is full of problems and I had my own issues due to updates of Windows (when I was using it in dual boot). Also in Linux I can update and do not boot until I want to boot. I can decide not to update. Overall I have more trust in Linux updates (even using on Archlinux) than Windows updates. Microsoft constantly fucks up updates. And they even introduce and install stuff you don’t know or want to.

An old story of mine buying Civilization 6 at launch on Windows was unplayable. After days and contacting support, turned out it was a Skype installer that was installed with a Windows update without my knowledge. And it was just an installer to install Skype, not even running. Removing it made my game Civilization 6 playable. I never had such an issue on Linux.

ReversalHatchery ,

Also, Linux does not auto-update itself, and that’s bad mostly when looking at the programs (like the web browser) that did that automatically, and here it can’t anymore.

I understand that most users don’t update their system and the utils they downloaded, but that’s essential for a web browser.

I was considering that I should just install Firefox as the fatpak for everyone, instead of the core package manager, for this and other reasons, but my users have so little memory in their old machines that it’s already barely necessary.

db0 , to technology in Bots are running rampant. How do we stop them from ruining Lemmy?
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For example, a bot on Twitter using an API call to GPT-4o ran out of funding and started posting their prompts and system information publicly.

While there’s obviously botspam out there, this post is clearly a fake as anyone with the programming experience will notice immediately. It’s just engagemeb bait

AstralPath , to linuxmemes in type the distro you use and is and let your keyboard finish it

Nobara is a good alternative to the alternative of the alternative.

whyrat , to games in Any good games that break the mold

Check out Fez if you haven’t already. Also Tunic does a great job of starting out basic & breaking precedent.

ulkesh , to linux in How can we make Linux more appealing as "just works"?
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Whether any OS could ever just work isn’t even going to solve the issue.

Getting OEMs to sell laptops and desktops in Best Buy (or the like) that have Linux installed and is properly supported — that is what will help solve the issue.

ReversalHatchery ,

having it just work is a necessary step to gett there

ulkesh ,
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When there exists an operating system that can satisfy that qualification, I’ll concede the point. Until then, OEM and retail support is what matters.

Psyhackological OP ,
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Maybe we are too used to Linux working on anything but with some imperfection.

And yet it again leads to oficial supported hardware.

Juice , to interestingasfuck in Page 1 of Russia's "Guerrilla media campaign in the US" memo [Translated] Exhibit 9A

This is actually kind of a dogshit analysis of US political climate. What is this used for? Is it just like training materials for supposed Russian bots? Its interesting to speculate why an org producing these materials would represent specifically these views. How and why the analysis is skewed is interesting to look into. The racism and otherizing is like bubbling underneath every statement, while it accuses the US system of being otherizing (which it is) and racist (which it is but in some different ways.)

Another thing I want to mention is like, so the Russians have all these keyboard warriors who they pay to boost certain views, and react to various positions in different ways, but what happens when these people stop getting paid? When they go home, etc., do they just stop believing these things? Its not just influencing elections or whatever, its also conditioning like hundreds or thousands of people through online encounters and real life salaries. Like I bet they have a supervisor that approves their responses and maybe pays a bonus if they are “in compliance” with the standard or whatever, very common among call center work, I imagine bot-net work would be almost identical.

Kyoyeou OP , to asklemmy in People that went to Paris, what did you think of it?

Not at all asking this being stuck in Parisien transports

blanketswithsmallpox , (edited ) to lemmyshitpost in So babies grow on their own?

I mean, for the most part yeah. With bare bones minimum interaction babies are pretty manageable.

Feed them five times a day. Clean five times a day. Pretty much watch them grow on their own until they gain proper sapience around that year mark. Just don’t go full Potter and you’ll be good. Get earplugs for the times when you really need sleep and keep to a schedule.

After that year, and more like 1.5 years, you gotta put in some more effort but even then, it really doesn’t matter near as much as the internet would have you think. Nature beats Nurture in almost all categories by a sound margin.

theskyisfalling , to cooking in [QUESTION] What are some of your favorite spicy/super flavorful dishes?

It isn’t a dish in itself but Laoganma Crispy Chili Oil is the fucking best.

I presumed you were in the US (so sorry if not) so found a link relevant for there and it seems like it is called Spicy Chilli Crisp there. Either way though added to a dish when cooking adds a great flavour with a good amount of heat. Add it after cooking on top for even more of a kick.

It definitely isn’t the hottest you will get but it is a great flavour with a great amount of heat IMO.

dwindling7373 , to games in Any good games that break the mold

I enjoyed Carto and Paradise Killer, as far as “different and creative” goes.

eskuero , to selfhosted in Whats on your USB stick? Looking for recommendations for handy tools
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Arch Linu, Kubuntu, Supergrub, Tails, Kali, Windows

Diplomjodler3 , to linux in How can we make Linux more appealing as "just works"?

To make Linux more appealing to the average person, you’d have to be able to buy a Linux PC at your local computer store. Most people can’t be bothered to install a new OS.

Psyhackological OP ,
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That’s also true but also impossible. Linux isn’t a for profit company.

Maeve ,

I don't see it as impossible. Like various brands are distributed with windows, various brands can be distributed with various Linux distros, customizable by distro and features, pre-order. These brands can work out a donation contract with distros.

Psyhackological OP ,
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Yes, but also companies say that Linux support is not worthit (gaining money and spending on the support) compared to - slapping barely working Windows port and call it a day.

For now Linux support is more like pleasant surprise than a official respected thing.

Maeve ,

I bet when demand crosses a certain threshold, support supply will quickly follow, gatekeepers bedamned.

Diplomjodler3 ,

If you sell a Linux machine to consumers, Microsoft will screw you over on Windows licencing. No current OEM will risk that.

Maeve ,

Contacts end and contracts begin. While it may be a good while, I think we are goingseeing large corporations like Microsoft enter autophagy.

Diplomjodler3 ,

What are you even talking about? Anyone can sell a PC with pre-installed Linux. There are already several companies today so just that.

Psyhackological OP ,
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Let me clarify myself

*It’s impossible to get big corporate guys attention so they ship Linux by default and it’s clearly tested. For now the Valve, System76, Framework and Tuxedo are exception.

Edit: Also I was keeping in mind corporatr entity behind OS.

  • Apple - MacOS
  • Microsoft - Windows
  • ? - Linux
milliams ,

Dell have at times sold laptops with Linux pre installed.

Andromxda ,
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Can you buy a Dell laptop with Linux at a retail store?

zaph ,

Dell sells PC’s with Linux installed.

Andromxda ,
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Not in retail stores though AFAIK

zaph ,

Correct. I was just touching on the big corporations point since they listed some online only retailers.

Diplomjodler3 ,

It would be a real leap forward, if Linux PCs were sold in big box stores. Which is why Microsoft will do anything they can to prevent that.

Diplomjodler3 ,

The big guys won’t sell Linux to consumers because of Microsoft’s anticompetitive practices. That’s the main thing that’s holding back Linux acceptance right now. But if some big player (e.g. Valve) would take the leap, things might get interesting.

Feathercrown ,

“It’s impossible. Let me list 4 exceptions though”

notagoblin ,

I’ve seen this type of question elsewhere. Why is it an issue?

Standardisation? Corporate Linux? Just like the big boys? Big fish eat little fish.

Careful what you ask for . .

bstix ,

Perhaps someone could make a business of it then.

Chromebooks sold well enough. Google made $30 billion on that in 2023.

Anyone willing to put together a physical Linux machine, market and support it could take a chunk of that.

Psyhackological OP ,
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For me it was always a niche that wasn’t taken full advantage of.

fuckwit_mcbumcrumble ,

Chromebooks never really made sense outside of schools and old people.

The OS is hyper limited to essentially just a web browser, and android apps (so just a web browser). Nobody wants to buy premium hardware to use with just Chrome. But at the same time it’s Chrome, so you really need at least a good chunk of RAM. So it really just limits you to the super light use cases, but those could realistically be replaced by a tablet.

The other day we saw an extremely odd device at malwart. They had a $270 laptop/tablet hybrid thing with a fairly nice OLED display, and a snapdragon CPU that should have been more that sufficient. But 128gb of EMMC storage, and 4 gigs of ram. Such wasted potential. It would make a nice RDP machine I guess.

Diplomjodler3 ,

No major OEM will do a consumer Linux PC because MS will punish them with Windows licence pricing. You’d have to be a newcomer that’s not beholden to MS. At the same time, you’d need a shitload of cash to start a hardware business with enough volume to get into big box stores. That’s why it hasn’t happened yet

gravitas_deficiency ,

lol wtf are you talking about? You can literally take $100 off the price of a computer just because it’s not bundled with a Winderps license - the price is straight up lower because the license cost is $0. You can order some models like this straight from Dell or Lenovo or whatever.

AbidanYre ,

OEMs aren’t paying $100 per license. They’re also taking deals with McAfee/Norton/whatever to package a bunch of extra crap on your windows laptop to lower the price further.

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