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Diplomjodler3 , to linux in How can we make Linux more appealing as "just works"?

To make Linux more appealing to the average person, you’d have to be able to buy a Linux PC at your local computer store. Most people can’t be bothered to install a new OS.

Psyhackological OP ,
@Psyhackological@lemmy.ml avatar

That’s also true but also impossible. Linux isn’t a for profit company.

Maeve ,

I don't see it as impossible. Like various brands are distributed with windows, various brands can be distributed with various Linux distros, customizable by distro and features, pre-order. These brands can work out a donation contract with distros.

Psyhackological OP ,
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Yes, but also companies say that Linux support is not worthit (gaining money and spending on the support) compared to - slapping barely working Windows port and call it a day.

For now Linux support is more like pleasant surprise than a official respected thing.

Maeve ,

I bet when demand crosses a certain threshold, support supply will quickly follow, gatekeepers bedamned.

Diplomjodler3 ,

If you sell a Linux machine to consumers, Microsoft will screw you over on Windows licencing. No current OEM will risk that.

Maeve ,

Contacts end and contracts begin. While it may be a good while, I think we are goingseeing large corporations like Microsoft enter autophagy.

Diplomjodler3 ,

What are you even talking about? Anyone can sell a PC with pre-installed Linux. There are already several companies today so just that.

Psyhackological OP ,
@Psyhackological@lemmy.ml avatar

Let me clarify myself

*It’s impossible to get big corporate guys attention so they ship Linux by default and it’s clearly tested. For now the Valve, System76, Framework and Tuxedo are exception.

Edit: Also I was keeping in mind corporatr entity behind OS.

  • Apple - MacOS
  • Microsoft - Windows
  • ? - Linux
milliams ,

Dell have at times sold laptops with Linux pre installed.

Andromxda ,
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Can you buy a Dell laptop with Linux at a retail store?

zaph ,

Dell sells PC’s with Linux installed.

Andromxda ,
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Not in retail stores though AFAIK

zaph ,

Correct. I was just touching on the big corporations point since they listed some online only retailers.

Diplomjodler3 ,

It would be a real leap forward, if Linux PCs were sold in big box stores. Which is why Microsoft will do anything they can to prevent that.

Diplomjodler3 ,

The big guys won’t sell Linux to consumers because of Microsoft’s anticompetitive practices. That’s the main thing that’s holding back Linux acceptance right now. But if some big player (e.g. Valve) would take the leap, things might get interesting.

Feathercrown ,

“It’s impossible. Let me list 4 exceptions though”

notagoblin ,

I’ve seen this type of question elsewhere. Why is it an issue?

Standardisation? Corporate Linux? Just like the big boys? Big fish eat little fish.

Careful what you ask for . .

bstix ,

Perhaps someone could make a business of it then.

Chromebooks sold well enough. Google made $30 billion on that in 2023.

Anyone willing to put together a physical Linux machine, market and support it could take a chunk of that.

Psyhackological OP ,
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For me it was always a niche that wasn’t taken full advantage of.

fuckwit_mcbumcrumble ,

Chromebooks never really made sense outside of schools and old people.

The OS is hyper limited to essentially just a web browser, and android apps (so just a web browser). Nobody wants to buy premium hardware to use with just Chrome. But at the same time it’s Chrome, so you really need at least a good chunk of RAM. So it really just limits you to the super light use cases, but those could realistically be replaced by a tablet.

The other day we saw an extremely odd device at malwart. They had a $270 laptop/tablet hybrid thing with a fairly nice OLED display, and a snapdragon CPU that should have been more that sufficient. But 128gb of EMMC storage, and 4 gigs of ram. Such wasted potential. It would make a nice RDP machine I guess.

Diplomjodler3 ,

No major OEM will do a consumer Linux PC because MS will punish them with Windows licence pricing. You’d have to be a newcomer that’s not beholden to MS. At the same time, you’d need a shitload of cash to start a hardware business with enough volume to get into big box stores. That’s why it hasn’t happened yet

gravitas_deficiency ,

lol wtf are you talking about? You can literally take $100 off the price of a computer just because it’s not bundled with a Winderps license - the price is straight up lower because the license cost is $0. You can order some models like this straight from Dell or Lenovo or whatever.

AbidanYre , (edited )

OEMs aren’t paying $100 per license. They’re also making deals with McAfee/Norton/whatever to package a bunch of extra crap on your windows laptop to lower the price further.

Matriks404 , to games in What's your favorite controller?

Mouse and keyboard, optionally a Xbox Controller or similar.

But my least liked one? Probably any PlayStation one, I hate them all.

kylian0087 , to linux in Gentoo vs any other distro

Frankly i found the Gentoo handbook much easier to follow then the arch wiki at the time I tried both. Just compiling everything takes a while to do.

ItsComplicated , to linux in How can we make Linux more appealing as "just works"?

From a non techy perspective, having what is used and installed being secure is a big one. I am new to Linux Mint. Mostly user friendly until something gets corrupted or suddenly can not be verified.

Looking for why is not always simple, and there are some explanations/instructions easier to understand than others.

I preface most of my searches with Linux mint (whatever I am searching for) for dummies. This helps some.

Vittelius , to fediverse in How about during the signup process(step) the user gets instance allocated randomly?

There is another downside. The local and global feeds are potent discovery tools. But they only work if you group people with similar interests onto the same instance. Your proposal assumes a certain amount of homogeneity. If everyone is interested in the same content anyway then yes you can distribute it randomly. But all the people interested in Linux memes are already here. If we are to expand our reach we need to have instances catering to other interests.

And it also doesn’t work with international communities. German speakers for example go to feddit.org, precisely because that’s where German content is going to be amplified via the local feed and therefore easier to discover (for people an that particular instance)

VoilaChihuahua , to cooking in [QUESTION] What are some of your favorite spicy/super flavorful dishes?

This weekend I halved and scored an eggplant, rubbed the cut sides with harissa and grilled. It was inedibly hot. Cheers!

Matriks404 , to nostupidquestions in Where do you even meet people anymore?

Start to learn a language and join a speaking club of some sort. You will definitely meet some new (and open-minded, well mostly) people there.

daniskarma , (edited ) to asklemmy in Would fediverse work in real life scenario - decentralization of everything?

Everything is already decentralized if you think about. There is no central Earth government.

We may be thinking about what size we want communities to be. My answer is that it depends on the community. Climate change council? Probably needs to be a global community. Street cleaning? City level community. And so on.

GammaGames , (edited ) to programming in Dependabot alternatives for non-github hosts?

Been using Renovate a few months now. On large repos it can take a while to run (the git api is slow for certain pages when comparing commits), but it does seem to work well! It’s even got CVE notifications

GolfNovemberUniform , to linux in How can we make Linux more appealing as "just works"?
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lack of some kind of standardization

Standardization = monopoly risks. It’s not worth it in the first place.

Psyhackological OP ,
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Let’s say something like systemd standarization.

GolfNovemberUniform ,
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Such stuff is almost perfectly standardized on Linux (and the risks are there too).

Psyhackological OP ,
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List me what is standardized on Linux.

GolfNovemberUniform , (edited )
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I’m not that much of an expert but I know display protocols, init system and audio protocol (there are 2 but the new standard supports stuff made for the older one) are standardized.

Psyhackological OP ,
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They are getting closer to this but also I think those projects emerged from being old and unorganized so they want to do it decently.

rglullis , to fediverse in How about during the signup process(step) the user gets instance allocated randomly?
@rglullis@communick.news avatar

Again… Are you people ignoring my work on purpose?

  • Sign up to fediverser.network
  • select "Find an instance"
  • answer simple questions (interests, languages)
  • get an instance recommendation

I know that the UX needs to improve, but it’s super frustrating to see people talking about things like they are a completely novel concept.

cron ,

I’m on lemmy a lot, but have not seen your site yet. But I’m hesitant to register for a site to find out where to register.

Also, you seem to have a list of servers, where I was able to suggest one country. feddit.org serves the german-speaking fediverse, and that is at least four countries (if you count Liechtenstein).

rglullis , (edited )
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The site is meant to be a crowdsourced database. You can go to fediverser.network/instances/feddit.org and add the countries. You can do one suggestion at a time. Once it is accepted, you can make new ones.

Coelacanth , to games in What's your favorite controller?
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I haven’t tried everything out there, but so far nothing I’ve tried is true perfection. The controller I use as daily driver for my PC is an Xbox 360 controller, which I find extremely nice - except for the D-pad. It also lacks the fancy tricks of the PS5 controller - a controller I Iike less for ergonomics but love for stuff like haptic feedback.

fastfomo7 , to science_memes in MSc Mansplaining

Why peope saw he mansplaining beside sarcasm? I mean, I didn’t even notice about it before it was a thing. I just always ignore annoying people, that’s all.

NataliePortland , to lemmyshitpost in Come back to us, stripey dog
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Good news! There have been sightings and paw prints found. She’s out there!

Depress_Mode , (edited )

There have been many sightings and footprints found of Bigfoot, too. I live in the Bigfoot sighting capital of the world and new sightings are routinely reported. If the “Portland” in your name is in reference to the one in Oregon, you do too.

The last widely accepted sighting of a wild thylacine was in 1933, nearly a hundred years ago. Even if any tiny, isolated pockets had managed to escape extermination (which is unlikely on an island without much mountainous terrain or dense forest, especially when everyone and their grandma was out hunting them for the bounty the government put on their tails), they’d be in big trouble owing to genetic drift by now. You always hear people say “I know what I saw,” but do they really? It makes me circle back to the Bigfoot thing. At least some of the people who claim to have seen Bigfoot genuinely believe they really saw him.

kandoh , to technology in How Russia is Influencing US Citizens on Social Media. Russian Intelligence Document "Guerrilla Media Campaign in the US" [Translated] Page 3

‘In the fox news style’

Hmmm 🤔

Also interesting how much they count on white grievances and making white people feel attacked. It’s almost like these things make you easier to manipulate.

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