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EarMaster , to selfhosted in tupd 0.6 - small bugfix

I like the idea, but may I ask why you don’t use a version control system like Git (or anything else that fits your needs)?

S_S OP ,

Thanks

I just don’t think I need to use one on every one of my projects, it didn’t add any (or enough) value to me for this project for bringing in another tool into the development or release process

For me this isn’t controversial to skip either, I’m using (and even contributing some to) software all the time with just using folder archives without needing to use any repo tools, historically a lot of software development haven’t need it as well

ramielrowe ,

Github and Gitlab are free, and both even allow private repos for free at this point. Git is practically one of the first tools I install on a dev machine. Likewise, git is the defacto means of package management in golang. It’s so built in that module names are repo URLs.

S_S OP ,

Yes I know it is built in into the package management in golang and other languages, I’m pulling things into my project that way

I know it is free also and that I can have private repos, it is one of the first tools I also install on dev machines

But I don’t see how that means I always have to use git or any other VCS for every project I make, it is a good tool, but why do I have to use it if it doesn’t help me?

EarMaster ,

You don’t have to. Absolutely not.

But: As a potential user it provides some additional features your solution lacks. I can easily fork or clone your repo and change things if I need to. If I think it benefits the project I can easily offer these changes back to you, if I don’t I can still profit from future development on your side and incorporate my changes into it. I can very easily check what has changed between two versions without relying (trusting) your changelogs or performing a manual diff.

But most importantly it is a matter of trust. Not so much trust in your intentions and the possibility of malicious code (Git won’t prevent that), but it obfuscates your code unnecessarily making it harder to continue if you at some point decide to stop maintaining it or even detect vulnerabilities as it is not easily accessible without knowing where to look for it.

S_S OP ,

Sure it might creates some hurdles for potential contributors, and cause some discomfort for users

For the user case I believe downloading the archive or even the diff text and applying it is quite straight forward, there isn’t any more steps in that than if it was in a repo, it is another way of pulling the code, I’m pretty used to handle software this way anyway, but most people aren’t, I even doubt people would have pulled the SVN URL if I had released it on SourceForge for example, they would have downloaded the source archive from the website, so I don’t believe that the fact that I don’t upload it to a git/svn service makes it much harder for a user

It is a lot more work to setup a git repo, create an account somewhere, manage ssh keys, setting up configs, making commits, pushing code etc for me

Offers changes back to me is more a me problem, if you create a git repo and send me the patches or URL I can figure the rest out, anyone doing that can still benefit from my diff files as they can be applied to a git repository as well, or they could create two repositories (or branches), one with just my changes and one with theirs mixed in, and get full three way merge as well

For the easily checking what has changed it is quite the same thing, there is an extra step unfortunately

For the relying and trusting me all I can offer is the transparency, I don’t believe many people would notice when a project get forced pushed either, some developers might use the same directory every time to make a pull, and then it would tell them there’s a mismatch, but it is a legit concern nonetheless

I think using git solves that a bit, you would notice if something was forced pushed, as the auto-updating would fail with an error, but applying patches would also fail the same way, but that is of course a manual operation, having it in a SVN repo feels like it would produce the same problem also

SVN is probably as much of obfuscating as these files because git is what everyone uses, so it is more a problem of not using git than not using a (D)VCS I believe

Yea finding it is hard, there are a lot of other benefits with centralized social development platforms, but there was also a time before all that started, I think this community in particular is about not giving up to centralized platforms

If I ever stop the development, die, go rouge, get hacked or anything else I hope the community figures that out on their own and solves the problem then, anyone who wants should download the text diff files and/or the tar.gz files and take a few different checksums of them so they do not change maliciously at least

EarMaster ,

I think you have realized that every comment here was about your decision not to use Git. I don’t think there is much more to say about this…

S_S OP ,

Yes unfortunately most of the comments on my last post was also about me not using git and git platforms, seems very controversial.

I totally understand it, I’ve also wanted to have everything git and social development platform before when it was new

ramielrowe ,

This isn’t about social platforms or using the newest-hottest tech. It’s about following industry standard practices. You act like source control is such a pain in the ass and that it’s some huge burden. And that I just don’t understand. Getting started with git is so simple, and setting up an account with a repo host is a one time thing. I find it hard to believe that you don’t already have ssh keys set up too. What I find more controversial and concerning is your ho-hum opinion on automated testing, and your belief that “most software doesn’t do it”. You’re writing software that you expect people to not only run on their infra, but also expose to the public internet. Not only that, but it also needs to protect the traffic between the server on public infra and client on private infra. There is a much higher expectation of good practices being in place. And it is clear that you are willingly disregarding basic industry standard practices.

S_S OP ,

It is obviously about that since no good arguments are really made for anything else. There is just a constant nonsense talk why to use git and git platforms. Developers seems to have got stuck in some mindset that everything needs to version controlled all the time, if you make a change or at least a couple you gotta have to make a git commit, or otherwise most of the benefits are lost anyway, but of course I don’t really know how much of developers you really are. I don’t care what the industry standard is for public development, I’m not making public development, I’m only making a public release here. Are you really saying that using a VCS isn’t a pain in the ass? I do it because I most and when someone pays me to do it. Everyone is acting like it is just a natural piece in the workflow of any software project, I strongly disagree. It is in the way and causing extra job in every step on the way (or is everyone using a auto-commiter or a full blown CI/CD system for everything?). But that is the point when you develop something in group or for money, it has strong benefits then. Here I have time to develop it linearly and in my own pace and do all the testing I need. I don’t need git as a CTRL+Z tool or as a unfinished feature branch tool. My text editor alone got me covered, I’ve trusted it with my life for over 10 years. I couldn’t be happier and more productive with it than I already am. It might be simple to use git, but it is still extra, and in this case unnecessary extra. It literally doesn’t give me anything. Why would I also setup a git provider account, even if it is one time, ssh keys are made in a split second but you got to manage them as well, add them to the provider website and take them with you where you want to develop. I got all that setup on private instances, I fully manage myself, I know exactly how everything of that works.

It is a fact that most software skip unit tests and functional tests, I don’t believe it is good and neither do I brag about that I don’t have that yet. This project doesn’t need to be exposed to the public internet at all. You can run them perfectly fine in a own VLAN or something. I’m not saying anyone should run anything they aren’t fully trusting. I would much rather be discussing design decisions or security concerns than why I’m not using git or have any unit tests yet. I know exactly how sensitive it is for software to run in someones infrastructure, and tools that could alter and manage that, and protect the traffic between the node and the endpoint. But then give something real critical of that and refer to the code or design and not just good practices. I know they are good and useful, but it is not everything. What matters is the code in the end. Don’t run if you can’t trust it because its lacking automated testing then. I don’t care if I’m the only one ever using it, I created it for myself and it is solving a whole lof of issues no other tool or solution comes close to. I’m sharing it if anyone else is looking for something like this and maybe wants to just take a look on how I solved it when developing their own tools. I’m more than happy to help with setting it up or answering any questions related to it or the things it does

10_0 , to asklemmy in What are your favorite open-source games?

N/A

unionagainstdhmo ,
@unionagainstdhmo@aussie.zone avatar

Thank you for your contribution

f4f4f4f4f4f4f4f4 , to linuxmemes in I don't think I'll continue using Arch, btw

I was installing Nobara 40 and discovered that the live session is allowed to suspend the PC during the install process. The system ended up having problems with some basic functions…

10_0 , to memes in this isn't about you

He’s blue daboo deeda

FilthyHookerSpit ,

Boo daa

riodoro1 , to linuxmemes in I don't think I'll continue using Arch, btw

shutdown a computer when you shouldn’t computer breaks

how could a computer do this

SaharaMaleikuhm ,

Why would Arch do this?

possiblylinux127 ,

Pacman is very fast. The tradeoff is that it isn’t as “thoughtful” when it runs. It doesn’t have the same protections as apt or dnf. I especially like dnf as you can undo any operation.

SpaceCadet ,
@SpaceCadet@feddit.nl avatar

Power outages do happen, and I’m pretty sure 90% of the people on this community are not using an UPS.

Given enough users and enough time, it’s inevitable that a power outage will happen to some people at an inopportune moment, like while updating an important package like the kernel.

Blaming the user for this is not fair, it’s just dumb bad luck.

That said, OP could have done a bit more to fix the issue instead of being an angry man yelling at the cloud. When you’re using Arch, the expectation is that you are able to fix relatively simple problems like this, or that you’re at least willing to learn it. If you find yourself getting angry when Arch doesn’t hold your hand, you probably shouldn’t have chosen Arch.

possiblylinux127 ,

To be fair a lot of Linux distros and other operating systems try to be careful on how they do things. Arch is the odd man out.

riodoro1 ,

How exactly?

possiblylinux127 ,

Pacman is very fast at the cost of safety checks and verification

bionicjoey , to nostupidquestions in Is this normal for girls or just a extreme edge case? (Serious question)

Relevant WKUK

(Relevant to the tweet, not to OP’s question)

Marighost ,
@Marighost@lemm.ee avatar

One of my favorites. RIP Trevor Moore.

LouNeko ,

Rip Travis, he came and he went.

FireWire400 , to mildlyinfuriating in UPS has started charging for pickups even if you have a prepaid label
@FireWire400@lemmy.world avatar

Can I just say how shitty UPS is with pick ups? Every time I have to RMA something through Dell’s support they would schedule a delivery of the replacement part and a pick up of the defective one through UPS, right? Not once did UPS actually show up to pick up the parts.

Even when I manually schedule a pick up with them they just don’t show up; they sent an confirmation email saying that they did, but the part is still where I placed it for pick up. And when I email UPS to tell them they just repeat what the confirmation email said.

mark3748 ,

Probably because Dell uses fedex. I’ve been a Dell service tech off and on for 25 years, and it’s always been fedex.

FireWire400 ,
@FireWire400@lemmy.world avatar

Well, FedEx doesn’t even really exist over here so eh

lnxtx , (edited ) to linux in How was your experience using Linux in college?
@lnxtx@feddit.nl avatar

Ex CS student. I’m on 100 % Linux, even back then.
Huge advantage in the Linux/Unix, networking labs.

The main issues were Matlab (Octave is kinda ok, but must be tested before you submit your project),
FPGA simulator - Altera (no alternatives, but it can be run on a Windows VM),
3ds Max - must be run on bare-metal Windows (maybe GPU passthrough to a VM will work),
some old weird software,
C getch() on Linux.

No problems with MS Office, I can run whatever I want, just exported it to the PDF.
No heavy formatting in drafts helps with a group project.

anon5621 ,
IrritableOcelot ,

MATLAB works fine on linux for me these days. Some weird small text on hiDPI screens, but its fixable. I’ve only tested on Debian based distros though.

Crabhands , to asklemmy in What are your favorite open-source games?
@Crabhands@lemmy.ml avatar

From fdroid, Feudal Tactics and Antimine.

DudeImMacGyver , to nostupidquestions in Is this normal for girls or just a extreme edge case? (Serious question)
@DudeImMacGyver@sh.itjust.works avatar

Veggies are certainly not unheard of, but everyone is different. Your wife and friend may be serious, or not, but some people totally fuck vegetables.

psycho_driver ,

When i was in the early weeks of getting freaky with my now wife we were at her place making out and I picked up the TV remote and asked if she’d ever used it as a dildo and she blushed a little and said yes.

P4ulin_Kbana ,

thats freaky

DudeImMacGyver ,
@DudeImMacGyver@sh.itjust.works avatar

One of my exes would use bottles sometimes, I was always a little nervous about them breaking but fortunately it never happened.

Deestan , to nostupidquestions in Is Asmongold an alt-right "entrypoint" influencer?

Whatever political stance he may hold, or whether he is conscious about it, he is an entrypoint.

His content is uncritical dogpile reactions and no-fact-checks perpetuating drama. Combined with zero effort community weeding.

While theoretically neutral, such hate cesspools are the culture that fuels the alt-right.

Mango ,

Oh look. Another “if you’re not directly supporting my goals, you’re the political opposition” person.

A vote not for x is a vote for y, amirite?

aodhsishaj ,
Mango ,

Nah, they all bad. It’s just a bunch of talking heads trying to get into the money club and none of them are gonna help my life any.

rustyfish ,
@rustyfish@lemmy.world avatar

Beautiful. Aaaaand right click.

rickdg ,
@rickdg@lemmy.world avatar

That’s literally how the alt right works. Spot the right environment where things can gradually escalate from a comment or a private message.

Mango ,

As a Louis Rossmann fan I don’t generally like the slippery slope fallacy, but goddamn are you worried about some nothing. You seriously think dudes watching him do his gamer sleaze bits are gonna be all “yeah I think I’ll be a right winger now.”?

YeetPics ,
@YeetPics@mander.xyz avatar

It’s called plausible deniability and regardless of the intent there is a direct effect.

You can be mad about it all you’d like, it won’t change the reality.

DudeImMacGyver , to nostupidquestions in Is Asmongold an alt-right "entrypoint" influencer?
@DudeImMacGyver@sh.itjust.works avatar

No idea who that is lol

DarkThoughts ,

Some dirty slop Twitch streamer living with cockroaches who somehow garners a relatively large YT following and pops up in every freaking search result.

Metype , to asklemmy in What are your favorite open-source games?
@Metype@lemmy.world avatar

SuperTuxKart and Mindustry are so much fun!

Bilbo_Haggins ,

Another vote for mindustry! That game is a blast.

SeekPie ,

Mindustry’s open source!? Love that game, didn’t know that.

Metype ,
@Metype@lemmy.world avatar
absGeekNZ , (edited ) to asklemmy in Who is the GOATest GOAT?
@absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz avatar

What a great question.

A few that come to mind. (In no particular order)

  • Socrates and Aristotle - literally changed the way humanity as a whole thinks, their influence echoes thorough time their ideas are talked about 2500 years later.
  • Marcus Aurelius - stoic philosopher and emperor, set the standard for what a great ruler could be, modern politicians have nothing on him.
  • Albert Einstein - literally changed the way we look at the universe, overturned Newton and his theories have stood up to ever more precise tests.
  • Linus Torvolds - the impact of the Linux kernel on computing cannot be overstated, from the smallest single board computers to the biggest most powerful supercomputers, all run Linux. The internet wouldn’t be the same without it.
  • Johannes Guttenburg - inventer of the printing press, the wide dissemination of knowledge that directly stemmed from this invention changed the world.
  • Alexander Fleming - discovered penicillin, finally gave humanity an effective weapon against bacteria, penicillin and it’s derivatives have saved billions of lives.
  • Stanislav Petrov - Ignored the nuclear early warning system, which erroneously reported 6 launches from the US against the USSR. If he had followed protocol the resulting nuclear response would have triggered WWIII, he saved billions of people by not launching.

To those saying sports personalities, I doubt people will be talking about their achievements in couple of hundred years.

Edit: added Stanislav Petrov.

Luvs2Spuj ,

To those saying sports personalities, I doubt people will be talking about their achievements in couple of hundred years.

Gaius Appuleius Diocles the sport GOAT

absGeekNZ ,
@absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz avatar

Are people actually talking about what he did?

There are active fields of study that consider the ideas of Socrates, Aristotle, Marcus Aurelius, Einstein…

regdog , to asklemmy in What are your favorite open-source games?

If you bother to write a response, then please at least write what genre of game it is.

Zacryon ,

You can easily look them up using a search engine of your choice. But I understand the lazyness.

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