The AIs we have at our disposal can’t invent a thing - yet - because they aren’t true AIs - again: yet.
They are merely, and should be perceived as tools, nothing more. It’s the people who use them that may apply them to tasks that will result in invention, but on their own, they are closer to the Chinese Room principle, than to thinking and inventive constructions.
I agree with the basic idea, but there’s not some fundamental distinction between what we have now and true AI. Maybe we’ll find breakthroughs that help, but the systems we’re using now would work given enough computing power and training. There’s nothing the human brain can do that they can’t, so with enough resources they can imitate the human brain.
Making one smarter than a human wouldn’t be completely trivial, but I doubt it would be all that difficult given that the AI is powerful enough to imitate something smarter than a human.
I agree with the basic idea, but there’s not some fundamental distinction between what we have now and true AI.
Are AIs we have at our disposal able and allowed to self-improve on their own? As in: can they modify their own internal procedures and possibly reshape their own code to better themselves, thus becoming more than their creators predicted them to be?
There’s nothing the human brain can do that they can’t, so with enough resources they can imitate the human brain.
Human brain can:
interfere with any of its “hardware” and break it
go insane
preocupy itself with absolutely pointless stuff
create for the sake of creation itself
develop and upkeep illusions it will begin to trust to be real
choose ad act against undeniable proof given to it
These are of course tongue-in-cheek examples of what a human brain can, but - from the persepctive of neuroscience, psychology and a few adjacent fields of study - it is absolutely incorrect to say that AIs can do what a human brain can, because we’re still not sure how our brains work, and what they are capable of.
Based on some dramatic articles we see in news that promise us “trauma erasing pills”, or “new breakthrough in healing Alzheimer” we may tend to believe that we know what this funny blob in our heads is capable of, and that we have but a few small secrets to uncover, but the fact is, that we can’t even be sure just how much is there to discover.
Are AIs we have at our disposal able and allowed to self-improve on their own?
Yes. That’s what training is. There’s systems for having them write their own training data. And ultimately, an AI that’s good enough at copying a human can write any text that human can. Humans can improve AI by writing code. So can an AI. Humans can improve AI by designing new microchips. So can an AI.
These are of course tongue-in-cheek examples of what a human brain can, but - from the persepctive of neuroscience, psychology and a few adjacent fields of study - it is absolutely incorrect to say that AIs can do what a human brain can, because we’re still not sure how our brains work, and what they are capable of.
We know they follow the laws of physics, which are turing complete. And we have pretty good reason to believe that their calculations aren’t reliant on quantum physics.
Individual neurons are complicated, but there’s no reason to believe they exact way they’re complicated matters. They’re complicated because they have to be self-replicating and self-repairing.
I’m not talking about building a database of data harvested from external sources. I’m not talking about the designs they make.
I’m asking whether AIs are able and allowed to modify THEIR OWN code.
We know they follow the laws of physics, which are turing complete.
Scientists are continuously baffled by the universe - very physical thing - and things they discover there. The point is that the knowledge that a thing follows certain specific laws does not give us the understanding of it and the mastery over it.
We do not know the full extent of what our brains are capable of. We do not even know where “the full extent” may end. Therefore we can’t say that AIs are capable to do what our brains can, even if the underlying principle seem “basic” and “straightforward”.
It’s like comparing a calculator to a supercomputer and claiming the former can do what the latter does, because “it’s all 0s and 1s, man”. 😉
I’m asking whether AIs are able and allowed to modify THEIR OWN code.
Yes. They can write code. Right now the don’t have a big enough context window to write anything very useful, but scale everything up enough and they could.
Scientists are continuously baffled by the universe - very physical thing - and things they discover there. The point is that the knowledge that a thing follows certain specific laws does not give us the understanding of it and the mastery over it.
And my point is that neural networks don’t require understanding of whatever they’re trained on. The reason I brought up that human brains are turing complete is just to show that an algorithm for human-level intelligence exists. Given that, a sufficiently powerful neural network would be able to find one.
You don’t seem to understand me, or are trying very hard to not understand me.
I’ll try again, but if it fails, I’ll assume it’s “bring horse to the water” case.
So: can AIs write their own code? As in “rewrite the code that is them”? Not write some small pieces of code, a small app, but can their write THEIR OWN code, the one that makes them run?
And my point is that neural networks don’t require understanding of whatever they’re trained on.
Your point does not address my argument.
You can’t compare a thing to a thing you neither understand nor can predict its capabilities.
In general, complicated electoral policies help maintain the status quo and a disconnect between the people and the state. It makes the people always think that things are bad because they didn’t use the system right. Come on guys we need more voters. Come on guys we need to focus on swing States. Actually guys we need to vote in Congress too. Guys we also need local elections. Omg guys, we forgot about the supreme court!!
Rather than revolting against your government, you will always be presented with another route forward that won’t take you there.
Just joined after sync for lemmy has been released to the public. As a sync user since it started a decade ago lemmy already feels more familiar to me than reddit. I don’t quite understand exactly how it all works just yet but I can definitely see myself using this over reddit.
Do you know if there is a setting to load the picture in full size when opening a post? I always have to tap on the picture to see it in full size, otherwise it’s cropped. Jerboa did that automatically so is there a setting for this?
Feel free to make an account on another instance like lemm.ee (a general sensible instance) or lemmy.cafe (run by a guy, new) or a country-based instance where people of that country congregate. You might do this to keep your interests or purposes for the accounts separate or in case the lemmy.world server is down (even for a short while), or to potentially access defederated instances and their communities.
For now if you want another account, you just make another (with any username you want, I have an account with the same username on lemm.ee). It’s possible to port subscriptions and blocked users and communities to a new account using some software. While that is useful, it’s not a proper account migration.
However keep in mind you can mostly access most other instances from your home instance. In that case your username (and instance) ‘carry over’.
On the off chance lemmy.world has defederated from an instance, and you can’t access it, you can join another general, neutral instance like lemm.ee
Apparently there’s a way to run a vm from an actual disk partition, as long as you can be sure only the vm has access to the partition(s). I haven’t tried it myself yet though.
Works great on VirtualBox - essentially, create a ‘raw VMDK’, and set up a virtual machine with that. Back when I thought that Windows was still worth dual-booting, I used to have it installed ‘for real’, but also installed so that I could boot it via VB. I always used to run Windows Updates when it was started in VB - that prevented the updates from making any BIOS changes and fucking up my GRUB configuration. It was also handy for file sharing and such like. Had far fewer problems with Windows in general that way, too.
Eventually, I realised that gaming on Linux is just fine, and the work-arounds were less effort than stopping Windows from shitting the bed in a dual-boot configuration. That was years ago; Linux gaming has come on a long way since then, too.
Dual boot is like the hardest way because you have to stop using one to start the other. Virtual machine is the way to go IMO. Though I don’t have a Windows VM atm…
Just installed what popped up first in F-Droid search (Jerboa) and not feeling like I need something else - everything just works and UI/UX feels natural.
Good question! I’d say that the fediverse is semantically much more complex and thus allows for more progress. It’s like the difference between gopher and the web.
it’s more work if you don’t know a programming language, hence the “learn a new skill” comment.
Telegram makes you escape almost every special character, but not all of them, for markdown support, example in one of my Reddit bots. This was more trial and error than anything well documented.
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