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RegalPotoo , to science_memes in Or we could do metric time
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As a software dev who has lost weeks of his life dealing with timezones, leap days, daylight savings time, date math and other associated nonsense I fully support this being the way the world is. I don’t want to go through the transition to get there though

lugal ,

Bad news: this has nothing to do with timezones, leap days nor daylight saving time. Honestly, leap days would be worse because they wouldn’t be part of the 7 day week

rockSlayer , (edited )

It’s accounted for just like any other leap year, add it to the end of a month as a universal holiday. Most calendar models make it July 29. It’s also worth noting that this is actually 364 days, and a single day at the end of the year is a universal holiday.

Edit: I think leap years should be at the end of the year too for simplicity.

Flipper ,

That would just be new year. I’ve already have a list ready for how to name all the months, so we don’t fuck it up like September being the 9. Month again.

LeftHandedWave ,

Ooh, tell me what the names would be! Don’t leave me hanging. I HATE that September - December are all off.

felbane ,
  • Firstber
  • Secondary
  • Thurd
  • Quadtober
  • Cincondary
  • Sextember
  • Septober
  • Octuary
  • Nonuary
  • Tenber
  • Postenber
  • Expostenber
  • June
BlackRoseAmongThorns ,

Wheezed at this, thanks

Gork OP ,

Sextember

Nice.

lugal ,

Which breaks “day of week = day modulo 7” if every month starts on Monday and not every month has the same number of days

sukhmel ,

Leap day and new year day are supposed to not be a week day in this system

lugal ,

My point exactly. So the programmer who commented above me is wrong in saying it makes it easier for them

ElderWendigo ,

In this scheme, new years day and leap days are not any day of the week or part of any month. They exist outside of the regular calendar as obvious and explicit resets to the remainder problem.

lugal ,

My point exactly. So the programmer who commented above me is wrong in saying it makes it easier for them

ElderWendigo , (edited )

No, still easier. They are still part of the year, so you can just count them, and the logic is still easier than the mess we currently have. If you really feel the need to you can call new years day the zeroth day in the zeroth month, the day of the week is Holiday, and periodically the zeroth month has one extra Holiday.

lugal ,

Computers store the date as “days after January 1st 1970”. So you have a huge number, divide it with 7 and get the day of the week. If there are days that don’t belong to any week, you have to calculate January 1st of that year and substrate it in addition to the steps above. I don’t say it’s not manageable, but it’s not easier

ElderWendigo ,

They store the number of seconds since the epoch of 1970, but you’re always going to have leap days and even leap seconds. Even if you changed the definition of a second to match the current length of a year, it would be off again relatively soon and you’d need leap seconds again. It’s NEVER going to be as simple as you seem to think it should be. Chaos and complexity is inherent in the whole system.

lugal ,

I never said it was simple. The comment above me was “oh, this makes it much easier” and I was like “it’s not really getting easier”. That’s all I said.

ElderWendigo ,

Yes, I understood. I still disagree for the reasons in all of my previous comments.

lugal ,

Let’s agree to disagree

grue ,

Look, short of changing Earth’s orbit, something’s not gonna line up no matter what you do. Extra-weekly days are as good a compromise as any in my book.

lugal ,

There is also a technological solution, I knew it

MalReynolds ,
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Just make them holidays, everyone works too much anyway, and it’s just getting worse for no reason.

ColeSloth ,

Leap day gets it’s own name outside of saturday through sunday. It’s an all awesome holiday.

lugal ,

… which fucks with the way the day of the week is calculated by computers as I already explained others

ColeSloth ,

Y2k was handled. This can be too.

lugal ,

Didn’t say it’s not manageable, just said it’s not easier

scrubbles ,
@scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech avatar

Developers are the only people against DST changes, just because of how complex it will get. Dear God cities are removing DST! Cities! It means I need to know if you are in or out of a city to know if you need to be shown daylight or standard time!

Just please do it nationally yes or no

Albbi ,

Newfoundland has only just over 500k population and has a nice GMT-2:30 time zone. That’s an extra half hour difference. Many cities are larger so I can see them wanting better time for themselves.

capital ,

Ugh. Any time I need to set up a meeting for IST.

ryannathans ,

Write everything in UTC, cast to local time zone for UIs

Life problems solved

ulterno ,
@ulterno@lemmy.kde.social avatar

That’s essentially what I did in my recent UI that I made for someone.

  • You want to insert date time
  • Select method: UTC, Time Zone, offset from GMT
  • Enter time
  • I convert it to UTC and send to backend
MotoAsh ,

That… still requires knowing which time zone to display. It doesn’t remove the requirement at all.

ryannathans ,

.localtime(utctime)

MotoAsh ,

and who implements localtime? You realize these functions call down to the system, and the system is very much ALSO written and maintained by coders…

The point is SOMEONE actually does have to implement it and maintain it.

grue ,

Dear God cities are removing DST! Cities! It means I need to know if you are in or out of a city to know if you need to be shown daylight or standard time!

That’s why it’s lucky that identifiers in the tz database are already things like America/New_York instead of “eastern time.”

ben_dover ,

thank you for your service, i usually resort to libraries doing the heavy lifting but even then it’s tough and prone to error

Kowowow , to science_memes in Blanket physics is harder to understand than Calabi-Yau Manifolds

One reason I like queen sized blankets

bobbytables , to science_memes in Or we could do metric time

I hate the idea of metric time (for a lot of use cases metric is still awesome).

12 and 60 can be easily divided by 2, 3, 4, 6. 60 also by 5 and 10. Even for 8 it’s still kind of easy.

For 10 or 100 division is easy for 2, 5 and 10 and okay-ish for 4.

The 12/60 (and 360 degrees of a circle) are such an elegant system!

SanndyTheManndy ,

makes sense in a world without much fractions or the decimal system. You want to get the most divisors for your buck.

bobbytables ,

IMHO especially in a setting like time where fractions are very common (like “half an hour”), being able to represent fractions with whole numbers is very convenient.

MBM ,

We should “just” switch to base-6 (or maybe 12) first

bobbytables ,

AFAIK the system goes back to the old Babylonians who had a base-60 system subdivided into 5 times 12. 5 times 12 could easily be counted using your thumb to count the 12 knuckles on the other fingers and the 5 fingers of the other hand.

I mean, how amazing is counting like that! I only learned to count to 10 with my fingers. I love the base-10 for its simplicity but base-60, subbase-12 is the shit :D

Emma_Gold_Man ,

Even easier and more comfortable - count the pads instead of the knuckles. You can count to 12 with one hand, or 144 with two

bobbytables ,

You are right! English is not my first language and I thought I was talking about the pads. My bad! Yours is the best way!

HonoraryMancunian ,

If only we had 6 digits per hand as standard, basic maths would be so much easier for everyone

MalReynolds ,
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We do, base 12 comes from 5 fingers and a fist. It was used by traders for the longest time.

xkforce ,

Get better at math and theres no problem.

pseudo ,
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Thank you ! Last time I tried to explain this on Lemmy, I wrote my longest comment ever. I’m gonna use you much better explanation next time.

Gullible , to funny in *flips setting from Busy back to Online on Teams*

Blocking out the names but not the @s was certainly a choice. Or was the inanity part of a stealth advertising campaign where people point out the inanity and thus call attention to the @. The internet’s friggin weird.

Klear ,

Before I left Reddit it felt like almost every post that reached the front page had a typo or some dumb mistake or worst a title like “Which PC game is your favourite?!?”.

It’s not too bad here yet, but I have a feeling it’s only a matter of time.

chicken ,

Given how bad most name censoring is, I think most people doing it don’t actually want to but also don’t want to be accused of blatantly violating rules requiring it.

Kolanaki ,
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It’s a pretty stupid rule to extend protections against doxxing to publicly visible usernames. They’re already posting publicly with that name. Even with them blotted out, you can search for the text or reverse image search and find it in 2 seconds.

chicken ,

Yeah but 95% of people will be too lazy to do that and this will be enough to avert most brigading that might happen. I think this is about ad-hoc harassment campaigns more than doxxing which evokes more organized and focused harassment campaigns.

brbposting ,

Typical default skin behavior

Retrograde ,
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I’ve honestly never seen the point in blotting out people’s handles unless they’re saying some seriously incindiary stuff

boogetyboo ,
@boogetyboo@aussie.zone avatar

I just do it as a courtesy to the people as I’m usually making fun of them in forums they didn’t originally post in. It’s not like I’m thinking about it as being doxxing, more just that I’m poking fun at someone behind their back - if they’re a public figure that’s one thing - but the average Joe? Just feels impolite. That’s why I do it anyway.

feedum_sneedson , to funny in *flips setting from Busy back to Online on Teams*

Question?? Marks???

Hupf ,

‘Multiple exclamation marks,’ he went on, shaking his head, ‘are a sure sign of a diseased mind.’

belated_frog_pants , to science_memes in Or we could do metric time

We cant ever change it now because people would complain about the cost of doing so. Like freedom units.

doublejay1999 , to science_memes in Blanket physics is harder to understand than Calabi-Yau Manifolds
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Oh god that’s brilliant

Zoot , to funny in *flips setting from Busy back to Online on Teams*
@Zoot@reddthat.com avatar

Sometimes you’ve just really got to let it out, and you need to make time to do it. Really makes ya sad that people break down to that point and can’t just take a minute for a hug.

XTL ,

It’s the Two Minutes Self-hate.

Steamymoomilk ,

2 minutes rookie numbers

starman2112 , to science_memes in Or we could do metric time
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This post sponsored by your local landlord

jaschen ,

Why would they are? The amount they get a year is still the same amount, just broken up more evenly.

Zorsith ,
@Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Most leases state rent is X per month, not a total per year.

Buddahriffic ,

Yeah but every month would get the February discount. There is a February discount, right?

ben_dover ,
  • Anakin looking sternly
starman2112 ,
@starman2112@sh.itjust.works avatar

Oh honey

Mubelotix , to science_memes in Or we could do metric time
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France tried such calendar in 1789 and 1871. We lost it when Jules Ferry executed all the communalists in Paris. Some people in France still use those calendars to show their support to revolutionary ideas

AnUnusualRelic ,
@AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world avatar

There are a few websites and twitter accounts that remind you that today is Nonidi, 29 Germinal of the year CCXXXII.

brbposting ,

Picking up a newspaper in Thailand reminds you it’s year 2567

https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/38a82c76-4f1c-4458-b189-02f3eff520c0.jpeg

https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/69383a63-717b-4bd0-8f9a-b279f083ac66.jpeg

The reckoning of the Buddhist Era in Thailand is 543 years ahead of Anno Domini, so the year 2024 AD corresponds to B.E. 2567.

Mubelotix ,
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I own such a website and I can confirm that this date is right. French wikipedia though is wrong as it uses a bad simplication reform that was never voted

Kolanaki , to funny in *flips setting from Busy back to Online on Teams*
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I fake laugh everyday for ten minutes, so that when I die and relive life’s little moments, all I see are happy times.

Ain’t that the fucking saddest thing you ever heard? I’m sitting in an empty room, laughing my ass off to trick my dead self into thinking I had a good life.

soloner ,

Are you doing ok?

voracitude ,

It’s a reference to a comedy sketch show called I Think You Should Leave. It’s really funny in a fever dream sort of way. Can’t find the clip they’re referring to but this’ll give you an idea at least: www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-Bfkc6lZok

fossphi ,

But are you doing okay?

voracitude ,

Pretty alright, thanks for asking! Couple of frustrations early in the day, but smooth sailing now. How about you?

fossphi ,

Barely hanging in there! But it’s alright, I don’t think things are that bad. I’m just a doomer, maybe

topherclay ,

Life’s a fucking funny thing.

MrJameGumb ,
@MrJameGumb@lemmy.world avatar

I know what you mean… I found a guy who looks just like Dave who can take huge dumps so that people would think Dave was taking huge dumps. Why? Ultimately I guess I wanted people to think Dave was taking huge embarrassing dumps. If I had to come up with a reason that would be it, and honestly that might be IT!

brbposting ,
Amanduh ,

I felt cool knowing where this was from thanks

Hupf , to science_memes in Or we could do metric time

We should make the days 28 hours long as well while we’re at it.

Adalast ,

I actually had this happen once. My mental health actually improved, but it was untenable for my job and social life unfortunately. It was kinda nice for a couple months though.

sukhmel ,

Afaik, the effect depends on if you have unusual circadian rhythm or not

Adalast ,

Yeah, I noticed my rythem in absence of anything teathering it to the socially acceptable world is about 28 hours. Weird that I am not alone in this apparently.

Dicska ,

There’s dozens of us. Dozens!

Hupf ,

Slightly more than two dozen, actually.

Swedneck ,
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i’m pretty confident it’s an evolutionary adaption to ensure there are people in the tribe that are wide awake when others are sleeping, to keep an eye on things.

same thing with neurodivergence, sexualities, and left-handedness; it’s all stuff that’s been boosting our survival as a species when a portion of the population has those differences.

yuri ,

The next phase of human evolution is here, and it’s gay, autistic, left handed, and sleeping at odd hours. The rest of humanity has yet to realize the end of their epoch is nigh.

IMongoose ,

People used to wake up in the middle of the night for a couple of hours then go back to sleep:

bbc.com/…/20220107-the-lost-medieval-habit-of-bip…

MotoAsh ,

Mine settled on 36 hour days and it was fantastic. Plenty of time to work, plenty of time to play, and plenty to sleep, every day. … then I got a 9-5 job and my life became hell again.

Adalast ,

Sometimes I really hate the modern world. Especially working remotely doing what could be asynchronous work with colleagues, why the hell can’t we just sleep whenever we want, as long as the work gets done.

blindsight ,

What the flying fuck. I literally did that exact thing in university to manage my at-the-time undiagnosed sleep disorder.

I slept through like 30% of my classes, but it was the most rested I’d ever been in my life.

zaphod , to science_memes in Or we could do metric time

You really think the world could come to an agreement on which day the week should start? Would be really awkward if a month starts with the second or third day of the week.

HonoraryMancunian ,

Imagine if your birthday was always on Monday

Hule ,

Strong counterargument there!

Adalast , to science_memes in Or we could do metric time

I have genuinely had exactly this conversation with only the names changed. Multiple times.

MeDuViNoX , to science_memes in Or we could do metric time
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