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chumbalumber , to showerthoughts in Why don't low birth-rate countries make immigration to their country easier?

This is a part of the SNP’s manifesto already, FYI.

als , to showerthoughts in Why don't low birth-rate countries make immigration to their country easier?

God, the comments in this thread are nearly all awful

JayEchoRay , to showerthoughts in Why don't low birth-rate countries make immigration to their country easier?
@JayEchoRay@lemmy.world avatar

Tldr:

Having too many cultures that have not established a “market share” in politics makes the, people who run a country, job harder as it has to contend with dealing with the potential of new cultures forming and the inevitable culture clashes that follow as differing values and ideals will demand different things.

It fractures and dilutes points of control which encourages politics to try ensure loyalty though aligning itself with views of the majority.

End tldr

Unironically, Stellaris is probably a decent example of the thought experiment played out. Unless a species is built with ideals of the intergration and/or has its proper foundation set then it can quickly spiral out of hand as you have to deal with " a hunded voices asking for one thing".

It is far easier to control and secure a foundational majority based off of one species as it can be more easily guided towards an established outcome.

Adding too many “outsiders” has the potential to cause an imbalance and a shift in thinking which then requires a new paradigm to “herd the sheep” as it were, while still trying to maintain a standard that the base species has become accustomed to.

If it not carefully controlled, it can potentially lead to a fracturing of opinion and thoughts which is a lot harder to manage and “guide” as one runs the risk of isolating one group and in doing so opening up the potential cascade of problems if the ignored minorities builds up steam which then forces leaders to contend with trying to figure out a way to maintain control over the many species bases while still doing it in a way that causes the least amount of disruption to their control.

01189998819991197253 , to lemmyshitpost in gotdamn
@01189998819991197253@infosec.pub avatar

Yeah… Neosporin is WAY too weak for this burn. Holy crap hahahahaha

uis ,

Haloperidol is not strong enough

01189998819991197253 ,
@01189998819991197253@infosec.pub avatar

The antipsychotics?

uis ,

When reading shitter?

pipows , to lemmyshitpost in Galaxy S10 til the wheels come off
@pipows@lemmy.today avatar

I abandoned wired earphones before this whole mess with headphone jacks because I grew tired of replacing the every other month because the cable stopped working

Vivendi , to showerthoughts in Why don't low birth-rate countries make immigration to their country easier?

Just add a “… Are they stupid?” To the end of the title, and repost in a shit posting community

RememberTheApollo_ , to showerthoughts in Why don't low birth-rate countries make immigration to their country easier?

The low birth rates are a concern because they need the bodies to generate revenue so they can take care of old people who will lean on government services.

Why should you care about population decline? Fewer people are good for the climate, but the economic consequences are severe. In the 1960s, there were six people of working age for every retired person. Today, the ratio is three-to-one. By 2035, it will be two-to-one.

Some say we must learn to curb our obsession with growth, to become less consumer-obsessed, to learn to manage with a smaller population. That sounds very attractive. But who will buy the stuff you sell? Who will pay for your healthcare and pension when you get old?

weforum.org/…/birthrates-declining-globally-why-m…

Ok, so what does that have to do with your question…

What age group tends to be the biggest voting bloc, the most xenophobic, the most nationalistic…? Old people. Get those foreign people off my lawn, keep those foreign drug dealers, thieves, and layabouts out of my country.

Then there’s exploitation of foreign labor to undercut wages and work rules of citizens of the country the labor is being imported into.

I’m sure there’s more, but basically it’s a hefty dose of xeonphobia and nationalism along with groups not wanting to literally lose jobs to someone who will do it for a lot less.

Persen , to lemmyshitpost in gotdamn

Well, both were wrong about one thing.

asteriskeverything , to lemmyshitpost in gotdamn

What order of events was this conversation?? I never could get into tumblr/Twitter reply format I’m so confused. Who shot first

shinratdr ,
@shinratdr@lemmy.ca avatar

The timestamps should be a big clue. 3d, 1d, 9h, and the tweet at the top has no timestamp but from context it should be obvious that came last.

barsquid ,

This is useful but to be candid I’m not looking at memes for intellectual stimulation so it’s more effort than I’d like.

dan ,
@dan@upvote.au avatar

The tweet at the top has the rest of them attached as a screenshot which does make it a bit confusing.

Lake Superior’s tweet (the “innermost” one) came first. Tom quote-retweeted it. Lake superior replied to Tom’s tweet. Ron took a screenshot of the whole exchange and posted it as his own tweet.

jaybone ,

Sometimes it goes backwards. Next they are going to post everything sideways and the dates will be encoded in a base 12 abacus representation of the Vietnamese calendar.

Blackmist ,

I’m just glad I’m not the only one who wants to read from top to bottom like a fucking normal person.

I just want to roll the whole internet back by about 20 years.

JackbyDev ,

The red numbers show it chronologically. Twitter has replies and quote retweets. This began with the purple quote retweet. To which Lake Superior responded. Then in green I think this is a quote retweet (or more likely a screenshot) of the exchange. (I don’t think you can quote multiple posts so I think it’s a screenshot.)

https://programming.dev/pictrs/image/b6233864-1618-4971-b97f-67897b39e437.jpeg

Resonosity ,

I think it goes:

Quoted tweet > Tom > Lake Superior reply > OP

spujb ,

it’s 3241 but you made me realized how chronically online i am for knowing this intuitively without needing to be told or think about it

so, thanks 😅

Siegfried , to showerthoughts in Why don't low birth-rate countries make immigration to their country easier?

Oh boy, you need so much stellaris /s

son_named_bort , to lemmyshitpost in gotdamn

The gales of November came early this year.

MacNCheezus , to lemmyshitpost in gotdamn
@MacNCheezus@lemmy.today avatar

Since the latter doesn’t follow from the former, refuting the first point doesn’t automatically refute the second. Nice try, Lake Superior, but you might want to brush up on formal logic.

scytale , to showerthoughts in Why don't low birth-rate countries make immigration to their country easier?

Because most low birth-rate countries are first-world countries, and they generally want to only accept people who can contribute to their society and not be freeloaders to the social system. This means they need to filter out the people that come in, and being first-world countries, there is no shortage of people trying to get in. Sometimes they want low-skill, not-highly educated people just for the cheap labor, but not the person actually staying permanently, hence temporary worker visas. If a foreigner really wants to stay permanently, they then need to ensure that you are educated, able to support yourself long term, do background security checks, and make sure you agree to integrate as you mentioned in the OP.

bradorsomething ,

Ah, your post history tells me you’re in texas, that explains your post. I understand your concern about immigrants coming into a country without proper verification, swarming across the land and replacing the actual native population. Such populations usually move in and immediately assume the land is theirs, and do their best to forget the legacy of the original native people. We can only hope that arrogance and bigotry becomes less common over time.

scytale , (edited )

You understand wrong. I am an immigrant myself and literally experienced what I said. I merely recounted my own experience and the hoops I had to go through to be admitted into the country and be allowed to stay permanently. I have first hand experience of what the USCIS requires and checks in order to be granted work visas and the entire lengthy and expensive process to get permanent residency if you’re coming from a third world country. You are literally asked in application forms if you’ve ever applied for government benefits and how much debt you currently have, because that raises flags for them. You also have to prove your skills by showing evidence of the work you’ve done and what special skills or knowledge you have that a local can’t otherwise do. I’ve been denied a visa once just because the consular officer wasn’t convinced that my skills were special enough. It was a long drawn out process just to get admitted in. Oh and you also need to undergo a medical exam because they want to make sure you don’t have any serious issues that can potentially make you a burden to the healthcare system.

So before accusing someone of arrogance and bigotry, make sure you actually know where the person is coming from. I am not against immigration at all. I am merely explaining how the government picks and chooses who to admit into the country through their standard immigration processes. Show me a first world country that doesn’t have those requirements (except for asylum seekers). I’ll wait.

afraid_of_zombies ,

Lot of assumptions in your comment about someone you have not met.

thefrankring , to lemmyshitpost in gotdamn
@thefrankring@lemmy.world avatar

I wish Lake Superior would empregnate me.

sparkle ,

Why would you wish that

thefrankring ,
@thefrankring@lemmy.world avatar

Cuz I’m so wet.

clot27 ,
@clot27@lemm.ee avatar

lake junior

db2 , to lemmyshitpost in gotdamn

Imagine getting murdered by one of the great lakes and it doesn’t involve drowning. 💀

dditty ,

Many people actually die of Cold Shock/hypothermia before drowning!

wdio.com/…/not-just-the-waves-the-dangerous-cold-…

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