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Goodie , to technology in Google Search is losing its 'cached' web page feature

Time to donate to the internet archibe.

puchaczyk , to technology in Google Search is losing its 'cached' web page feature

Fuck. I sometimes use the text-only version to access sites with too many moving elements or when the site is geoblocked or doesn’t respect cookies choices and denies access. So far, it has been the most reliable one for me.

PrincessLeiasCat , to technology in Google Search is losing its 'cached' web page feature

Such bullshit.

EnderMB , to technology in Google Search is losing its 'cached' web page feature

How has no one worked on a new search engine over the last decade or so where Google has been on a clear decline in its flagship product!

I know of the likes of DDG, and Bing has worked hard to catch up, but I’m genuinely surprised that a startup hasn’t risen to find a novel way of attacking reliable web search. Some will say it’s a “solved problem”, but I’d argue that it was, but no longer.

A web search engine that crawls and searches historic versions of a web page could be an incredibly useful resource. If someone can also find a novel way to rank and crawl web applications or to find ways to “open” the closed web, it could pair with web search to be a genuine Google killer.

OsrsNeedsF2P ,

There’s a lot of startups trying to make better search engines. Brave for example is one of them. There’s even one Lemmy user, but I forget what the name of theirs is.

But it’s borderline impossible. In the old days, Google used webscrapers and key word search. When people started uploading the whole dictionary in white text on their pages, Google added some antispam and context logic. When that got beat, they handled web credibility by the number of “inlinks” from other websites. Then SEO came out to beat link farmers, and you know the rest from there.

An indexable version of Archive.org is feasible, borderline trivial with ElasticSearch, but the problem is who wants that? Sure you want I may, but no one else cares. Also, let’s say you want to search up something specific - each page could be indexed, with slight differences, thousands of times. Which one will you pick? Maybe you’ll want to set your “search date” to a specific year? Well guess what, Google has that feature as well.

Pulptastic ,

Cached versions can sometimes get around a paywall when a site gives Google access but charges users.

OsrsNeedsF2P ,

Archive.is them

TWeaK ,

Brave is not a business that should be supported. Also, I’m pretty sure they just use Bing for a back end.

There are also a few paid search engines that people say are good.

Veddit ,

What’s the issues with brave??

TWeaK ,

They’ve had a history of controversy over their life, ranging from replacing ads with their own affiliate links to bundling an opt-out crypto miner. Every time something like this happened, the CEO went on a marketing campaign across social media, effectively drowning out the controversial story with an influx of new users. The CEO meanwhile has got in trouble for his comments on same-sex marriage and covid-19.

In general, it’s always seemed like it would take a very small sack of money for Brave to sell out its users. Also, their browser is Chromium based, so it’s still contributing to Google’s market dominance and dictatorial position over web technologies.

piecat ,

The next revolutionary search engine will be an AI that understands you. Like what a librarian is… Not just ads served.

spujb ,

i don’t need a search engine that understand me i need a search engine that finds sites and pages based on a string of text i provide it

we should be calling the future piss the way it’s going down the toilet

piecat ,

Well, at the least, you need something to filter out the shit trying to game seo. To me it seems that AI is the easiest approach.

gunslingerfry ,

I recommend Kagi. Bought a family plan and it feels like I’ve gone back to 2016 when the search engines weren’t a dumpster fire.

UNWILLING_PARTICIPANT ,

Second kagi. I’m just on the personal plan, but can confirm it’s fire

mlg ,
@mlg@lemmy.world avatar
  • Google invents, invests, or previously invested into some ground breaking technology
  • They buy out competition and throw tons of effort into making superior product
  • Eventually Google becomes defacto standard
  • Like a few years pass
  • Google hands off project to fresh interns to reduce the crap out of the cloud usage to decrease cost
  • Any viable alternatives are immediately bought out by Google
  • Anything left over is either struggling FOSS or another crappy corporate attempt (cough cough Microsoft)
  • Repeat

My favorite case in point being Google Maps.

sgtgig ,

Bing’s copilot is genuinely pretty good, the AI answer is often pretty accurate and the way it’s able to weave links into its answer is handy. I find it way more useful than Google search these days and I’m pretty much just using it on principle as Google is just pissing me off with killing their services, a few of which I’ve used.

I don’t think Microsoft is some saint but copilot is just a good product.

AAA ,

Yes, that would be a Google killer. If you somehow find the money to provide it for free.

Finding a novel way of searching is one thing. Finding a novel way of financing the whole endeavor (and not going the exact route Google is) is another.

Astronautical , to technology in Google Search is losing its 'cached' web page feature

Finally, an excuse to use the Wayback Machine for all of my searches!

gunslingerfry , to technology in Google Search is losing its 'cached' web page feature

Google is the king of giving bullshit reasons to hide their true intent.

nossaquesapao ,

Just like that safetynet thing. They will write long pages about it, but won’t admit they want to make custom android roms unusable for the average user.

grayman ,

My guess is ads don’t work in cached pages.

DigitalFrank ,

This is the real reason. Google is an ad company, not a search engine.

Swarfega , to technology in Google Search is losing its 'cached' web page feature

I stopped using Google late last year and it’s pretty eye opening how much freer I feel now. Previously, any searches I made would follow me around. Make a one time search for something I’d see that being advertised later on. As a result I started searching more using private browsing. I’d often forget though and end up being tracked.

Ultimately switching to Firefox and DuckDuckGo I no longer have to do private searches. No more being followed around the internet.

Also I’m not convinced private browsing works. For example I still use it for YouTube but I noticed despite YouTube not knowing who I am, the videos on the home page include some that are very related to my usual videos. I guess they are using IP’s to still deliver relatable videos.

DNU ,

Yt doesn’t know who you are, but it knows damn well who was last logging in from that PC/IP.

aidan ,

Same useragent and window size too.

Zink ,

Private browsing keeps your computer from remembering things about what you did. It cannot keep other people’s computers from remembering everything about interacting with you.

Swarfega ,

Indeed.

ad_on_is , to technology in Google Search is losing its 'cached' web page feature
@ad_on_is@lemmy.world avatar

Has Elon secretly bought Google too?

laurelraven ,

Nah, they’ve been pulling crap like this for at least a decade now, nothing new here

Psythik ,

Yup, removing useful features is kind of Google’s thing.

I still mourn the death of the Menu button in Android.

ZambiblasianOgre , to technology in Google Search is losing its 'cached' web page feature

Absolute cunts

kameecoding , to technology in Google Search is losing its 'cached' web page feature

didn’t that happen like years ago? or maybe because I am using Firefox, but I haven’t seen the button for the cached website for a while now

Psythik ,

It’s still there; just buried in a menu now.

BananaTrifleViolin , to technology in Google Search is losing its 'cached' web page feature

Enshitification strikes again. Cached doesn’t make money and maybe reduces adclicks so it’s gone. This benefits Google but not users in any way whatsoever.

linearchaos ,
@linearchaos@lemmy.world avatar

I kind of wonder if they’re just training machine models with it all so they don’t have to store the content. That would give us a pretty good reason why their search results became inadequate over the period of a month or two.

Resonosity , to technology in Google Search is losing its 'cached' web page feature

Internet Archive is essential now. I used to use Google Cached for when IA failed. All researchers are now losing that resiliency.

mintiefresh , to technology in Google Search is losing its 'cached' web page feature

No need. Sundar is bad enough as is.

ModernRisk , to technology in Disney+ has started cracking down on password sharing in the US

Was no surprise that other platforms would follow Netflix with not allowing sharing passwords.

What does surprise me is that people actually pay their own subscription for these platforms. Netflix had a win in profit/revenue. I’m surprised that these people did not go for the Piracy method even though, they complain about:

  • Price increases
  • Not allowed to share password/ account
  • Content not available on said platform and having to go to others platforms
  • Cancellation of shows after one or two seasons
AProfessional ,

There are millions of people who can afford $140/yr. They just don’t complain on forums.

nvvp ,

$140 a year, sure. That’s just Netflix or Disney Plus though. If you want all of the services these days you’re up to $140 a month.

Alexstarfire ,

While I’ve cut back because of the abundance of services, the always increasing prices, and the cutting of content, I still don’t get this comparison. Most people don’t get all the services the same way most people didn’t get every cable package available. I’ve never had more than 5 at once and 1 was because it was included with my internet service and another because it was included in my Prime subscription. I really only ever consciously had 3 services and I’m down to two now because fuck Netflix.

kemsat ,

That’s what we used to pay for cable/satellite TV before we switched to Netflix+YouTube a few years ago.

d3Xt3r , (edited )

What does surprise me is that people actually pay their own subscription for these platforms. Netflix had a win in profit/revenue. I’m surprised that these people did not go for the Piracy method even though, they complain about:

Most people don’t like change. Maybe they have a habit of switching on Netflix daily during dinner or something. There’s also a big “Netflix” button on their remotes and their TV’s homescreen, which serves as a constant reminder. They probably even have the app on their phones. All of this leads to mental conditioning and addiction, it’s now a part of their daily lives. Humans are a creature of habit, and it’s hard to break out of a routine ingrained over several years.

Piracy could be a option for some people, but it’s still either too technical, or not as convenient, for the average Joe. Sure, there are even websites you could simply go to without installing any app, but most people won’t bother with that - they just want to hit a single button on their remote/TV and watch something, without needing to go to some website, a website which may eventually stop working.

You’ll find that most people would prefer to take the path of least resistance, even if it means paying (more) money. Don’t forget that even pirates may sometimes pay money to make things easier - eg usenet/seedbox/debrid users - and that’s simply because they too would prefer to take the path of least resistance, even if it means being in the ironic situation of paying to watch pirated content. So it’s not too hard to imagine why normal people would just prefer to cough up the extra cash for Netflix and continue with their lives, routines unchanged.

the_post_of_tom_joad ,

My mother in law is like this. She has cable and she’ll never, never get rid of it. She’ll just browse for huge chuncks of time thru the long, long list of channels (including shipping, music, spanish, and many of which aren’t even available or are pay per view). The act of browsing the crappy ui itself is soothing to her (fucking maddening to me but w\e).

I think she has fond memories of watching cable news and such as a family when she was a child. It’s the only thing that makes sense because she’s alwayscomplaining about the price but refuses to cut the cord. Nothing other than rose- colored glasses could account for her behavior that i can fathom.

Dasnap , (edited )
@Dasnap@lemmy.world avatar

Most people don’t even know how piracy works unless it gets as mainstream as Napster did. You tell them about torrenting, -arr programs, debrid services, and they’ll have no clue what you’re talking about.

Alexstarfire ,

I pirate with torrents and the rest still goes over my head.

Z3k3 ,

Of it were up to me I’d drop it in a heart beat. I’m outvoted by kids grandkids and wife who watch random things throughout the day.

I barely watch TV these days and would happily hooky the odd things I do want to see

Evkob ,
@Evkob@lemmy.ca avatar

I totally get that the couple of bucks a month is worth saving any headache from doing tech support for family members.

However, if you want to try switching them to pirated sources, Stremio + Torrentio add-on and a Real-Debrid sub (which is paid but much cheaper than a streaming service) is great for giving you a Netflix-like interface for pirated content. It’s easy enough that I coached my dad on how to set it up via text.

Z3k3 ,

Cool ill give em a look

Smokeydope ,
@Smokeydope@lemmy.world avatar

Also good piracy requires understanding torrenting and navagating the 7 seas with a vpn. And know what a good/bad torrent looks like.

My parents LOVE to tell all their friends and family how I can magically get any tv show or movie for them through the computer 5$ a month without all that subscription crap which gets everyones hopes up and I have to gently let them down that it requires a bit more computer knowhow than a regular non-tech person ]possesses.

If you think you can properly educate people on safely torrenting be my guest but for most people who have neither the time or desire to learn computer nerd stuff instead they choose the simple and convinent option of just coughing up dollars

TheGrandNagus , to technology in Disney+ has started cracking down on password sharing in the US

I’m not surprised. It went really well for Netflix.

Everybody said they’d cancel Netflix over it, even that it would be a mistake that would kill Netflix, but when it came down to it, most continued paying/bought a plan and Netflix became more profitable.

Hyperreality ,

Great news to be honest. I hope disney sees a similar spike in profits so they can make more great shows for me to pirate.

ExcursionInversion ,
@ExcursionInversion@lemmy.world avatar

Ay someone gets it. Everyone can win

NoIWontPickaName ,

Ironically I dropped Netflix for the Hulu Disney package because of password sharing and I was the one paying.

Dasnap ,
@Dasnap@lemmy.world avatar

The people who said they’d cancel probably did, they were just the minority.

BraveSirZaphod ,
@BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social avatar

Everybody said they’d cancel Netflix over it

What's probably more likely is that the "everybody" that you heard from was an incredibly unrepresentative sample of people from a bubble of nerdy tech enthusiasts.

Silentiea ,

And those people, like me, probably did cancel.

I am still surprised more people didn’t cancel since everyone I know who uses streaming services shares them, and most are splitting the cost.

fruitycoder ,

Yep. I cancelled but all of my family on my account got their own

webhead ,
@webhead@lemmy.world avatar

I cancelled. It’s just that I’m a small minority of people. The number that cancelled was apparently less than the people who signed up for their own account. Oh well. Netflix wasn’t that good anymore anyway. I barely used that app. Disney Plus however I’m not going to cancel. That one is worth it to me.

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