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_haha_oh_wow_ , to technology in Google Search is losing its 'cached' web page feature
@_haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works avatar

The enshittification will continue until quarterly reports improve.

Just kidding, it will continue regardless.

Gormadt ,
@Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

If anything it will keep accelerating the worse quarterly results are as they try to solve their way out of problems they made while still keeping the problems

Chee_Koala ,

Hahahaha, GOTTEM!

avidamoeba , to technology in Google Search is losing its 'cached' web page feature
@avidamoeba@lemmy.ca avatar

Sounds like someone’s after storage savings.

HarkMahlberg ,
@HarkMahlberg@kbin.social avatar

All those racks of hard drives are taking up the space they need for racks of Nvidia GPU's.

avidamoeba ,
@avidamoeba@lemmy.ca avatar

They use their own TPUs instead of NVIDIA AFAIK but yeah.

Clbull , to technology in Google Search is losing its 'cached' web page feature

This is the search engine equivalent of aiming a carbine at your feet and shooting yourself with a .50 cal round.

Cached pages were something I found myself using quite a bit and them going may be the push needed for me to use an alternative search engine.

zcd , to technology in Google Search is losing its 'cached' web page feature

Google well on their way on their uber-dick speedrun

KingThrillgore , to technology in Google Search is losing its 'cached' web page feature
@KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar

At this rate Search will end up in the Google graveyard

TurtleJoe ,
@TurtleJoe@lemmy.world avatar

It’ll be nothing but AI spam.

Flightbird386 ,

Replaced with just ad results.

TwilightVulpine , to technology in Google Search is losing its 'cached' web page feature

Ironically just yesterday I needed Google Cache because a page I needed to read was down and I couldn’t find the option anymore.

Are we going to need to go back to personal web crawlers to back-up information we need? I hate today’s internet.

lemmyvore ,

github.com/dessant/web-archives

It’s a browser extension that links to a dozen online caching services.

TwilightVulpine ,

Thanks, sounds very handy

DAMunzy ,

Hmm, tried it on Firefox Android but not sure it is working.

lemmyvore ,

It’s called “Web Archives”, you can install it from the Firefox official extensions.

To use it you open the menu while on a page, go to Addons > Web Archives and select a search engine.

swan_pr ,
@swan_pr@lemmy.ca avatar

Ran across the same problem recently. Ended up using Bing, of all things lol

1984 , to technology in Google Search is losing its 'cached' web page feature
@1984@lemmy.today avatar

Google is spelled Kagi now. :)

MonsiuerPatEBrown ,
Kbobabob ,

No fucking way I’m paying a subscription to search something on the Internet. 5$ for 300 searches, lol.

DolphinMath ,

Beyond that, the money is still going to Google, Yandex, Brave, Bing etc via API payments. If they actually created their own search engine that was any good I’d be more inclined to pay for access.

help.kagi.com/kagi/…/search-sources.html

Edit: They do claim to have their own small indexes (Teclis and TinyGem) that they sell API access to, but I’m doubtful it adds significant value.

pivot_root ,

Paying for the Reddit API would be cheaper. That’s an impressively overpriced search engine.

local_taxi_fix ,

I split the duo plan with a friend and do annual and it’s $6.30/month for unlimited searches.

BananaOnionJuice ,
@BananaOnionJuice@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I have been looking at kagi but their pricing is definitely made to force people to buy the professional $10 package.

100 or even 300 searches/day would be unusable for me, you quickly spend 10 searches refining a query for something special, and when developing you do like 5-10 searches/hour.

A fair pricing model would be

  • $2/month for 1000 searches/day
  • $5/month for 5000 searches/day
  • $10/month for unlimited everything
1984 ,
@1984@lemmy.today avatar

Oh shit, it’s 5 dollars? That’s like… A cup of coffee. You are right, way too much, so much money.

killeronthecorner ,
@killeronthecorner@lemmy.world avatar

Ad based search engines make almost $300 a year off their users

What disingenuous phrasing.

I’d be up for using a product like this, but their popcorn pricing and snark is really off-putting, so I’ll never be using this service.

Boiglenoight , to technology in Google Search is losing its 'cached' web page feature

Never used it/realized its use. Lament for others who did.

NoRodent , to technology in Google Search is losing its 'cached' web page feature
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By they way, I just found out that they removed the button, but typing cache:www.example.com into Google still redirects you to the cached version (if it exists). But who knows for how long. And there’s the question whether they’ll continue to cache new pages.

Appoxo ,
@Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I hope they only kill the announced feature but keep the cache part.
Just today I had to use it because some random rss aggregator website had the search result I wanted but redirected me somewhere completely different…

_number8_ ,

they’ve broken / ignored every modifier besides site: in the last few years, god knows how long that’ll work

Raiderkev ,

Quotes are fucking awful now. You have to change the search terms to verbatim now which takes way fucking longer. Google has enshittified almost everything. I’m just waiting for them to ruin Maps.

Flax_vert ,

Remember when Google Now was intelligently selected data and not an endless scroll of paywalled news articles?

AnAngryAlpaca ,

My guess is that a cached page is just a byproduct when the page is indexed by the crawler. The need a local copy to parse text, links etc. and see the difference to the previous page.

Commiunism , to technology in Google Search is losing its 'cached' web page feature

Seeing many comments here shitting on this decision by google, is this really that big of a deal? I’ve personally never used the cached feature of Google and if I ever needed to see a page that is currently down, it’d be via wayback machine. If nobody used the feature, why have it waste a ton worth of storage space? Feel free to prove me wrong though.

matjoeman ,

It was also useful when the page had changed inbetween google indexing it and now, so if you loaded the page and couldn’t find the text you were searching for because it was deleted, you could find it on the cached page.

_number8_ , to technology in Google Search is losing its 'cached' web page feature

of course it is. why have anything good on there, no point reminding me of the old days when the internet was actually fucking useful

Guru_Insights99 ,

Since when did you use this feature? Please cite a source

CrabLangEnjoyer ,

Like a couple of times a year at least. Faster and easier than going to the way back machine to get a copy

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar
Emerald ,

I last used the feature to view deleted reddit posts.

Another time I used something similar (the wayback machine) to view long gone websites about a postcard

1984 ,
@1984@lemmy.today avatar

You are a source. I am a source.

nixcamic ,

I’ve used it three times today. Site down, geo-blocked, and a forum post with info I needed deleted.

Resonosity ,

So ignorant, if you’ve had to do any digital research, you know these tools intimately

Monomate , to technology in Google Search is losing its 'cached' web page feature

Ironically, the link to this as article is offline for me. “Cached” surely would solve my problem.

kratoz29 , to technology in Google Search is losing its 'cached' web page feature

That is BS, a site can be down at any time, did we fix downtimes for good? Those down detector sites might just shut down as well then ಠ_ಠ

Raiderkev , to technology in Google Search is losing its 'cached' web page feature

Without getting into too much detail, a cached site saved my ass in a court case. Fuck you Google.

lud ,

It sucks because it’s sometimes (but not very often) useful but it’s not like they are under any obligation to support it or are getting any money from doing it.

modus ,

Isn’t caching how anti-paywall sites like 12ft.io work?

lud ,

I dunno, but I suspect that they aren’t using Google’s cache if that’s the case.

My guess is that the site uses its own scrapper that acts like a search engine and because websites want to be seen to search engines they allow them to see everything. This is just my guess, so it might very well be completely wrong.

megaman ,

At least some of these tools change their “user agent” to be whatever google’s crawler is.

When you browse in, say, Firefox, one of the headers that firefox sends to the website is “I am using Firefox” which might affect how the website should display to you or let the admin knkw they need firefox compatibility (or be used to fingerprint you…).

You can just lie on that, though. Some privacy tools will change it to Chrome, since that’s the most common.

Or, you say “i am the google web crawler”, which they let past the paywall so it can be added to google.

sfgifz ,

Or, you say “i am the google web crawler”, which they let past the paywall so it can be added to google.

If I’m not wrong, Google has a set range of IP addresses for their crawlers, so not all sites will let you through just because your UA claims to be Googlebot

Flax_vert ,

Need the tea!!!

drislands ,

Was that not something the Wayback Machine could have solved?

icedterminal ,

Depends. Not every site, or its pages, will be crawled by the Internet Archive. Many pages are available only because someone has submitted it to be archived. Whereas Google search will typically cache after indexed.

Tangent5280 ,

Would you be willing to share more? It’s fine if you don’t want to, I wouldn’t either.

Raiderkev ,

No, it was pretty personal, and also a legal matter, so I gotta take the high road.

verity_kindle ,

Respect for your discretion.

Kolanaki , to technology in Google Search is losing its 'cached' web page feature
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It was meant for helping people access pages when way back, you often couldn’t depend on a page loading,” Google’s Danny Sullivan wrote. “These days, things have greatly improved. So, it was decided to retire it."

They still go down, Danny. And fairly frequently at that. Y’all are fuckin’ stupid.

merc ,

I’d say things are much worse than they used to be. Sure, in the past sites would disappear or completely fail more often. But, because most sites were static, those were the only ways they could fail. These days the cache feature is useful for websites that have javascript bugs preventing them from displaying properly, or where the content-management-system still pretends the link works but where it silently just loads different content.

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