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headset , to til in TIL Cass Elliot died in Harry Nilsson's apartment, and four years later Keith Moon died in the same room

Who cares

synae ,
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I’m sure they did.

Now I won’t be fooled again. Something something pinball wizard

Pratai ,

I do. That’s why I read the article. That’s how this works. You see… It may seem strange or scary when you first realize you’re not the only one that exists, and that’s okay- it’s normal when selfish people come to terms with their disability, but people- or, other entities that aren’t you, oftentimes find themselves interested in topics that you might not be interested in.

Crazy, right?

headset ,

Cool rant. Now i care even less

Pratai ,

Such edge! I’ll bet you wear sunglasses during all of your classes and all the other nerds want to be you.

riodoro1 ,

Dude, they beat him at school, that’s why he’s so insufferable.

Pratai ,

I’ve no doubt.

Decoy321 ,

Heads up. You won’t be hearing from them again on this sub. I’m leaving up their comments to provide context for your replies.

Pratai ,

Well done! Thanks.

moistclump , to til in TIL Cass Elliot died in Harry Nilsson's apartment, and four years later Keith Moon died in the same room

I’m scared to admit I don’t know who any of the people listed are.

sanguinepar ,
@sanguinepar@lemmy.world avatar

Nothing wrong with not knowing, better than pretending you do!

Cass Elliott was the singer in a band called The Mamas and the Papas.

Harry Nilsson was a singer songwriter.

Keith Moon was the drummer for the English rock band The Who

:-)

JusticeForPorygon , to til in TIL Joseph Stalin was struck by a sport carriage and severely injured at age 12, which a certain source cited by the Simple English Wikipedia took as his father dying in a drunken brawl
@JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world avatar

Guys I think OP is having a stroke, should we do something?

Aatube OP ,
@Aatube@kbin.social avatar

Stay right there!

RampantParanoia2365 , (edited ) to til in TIL Cass Elliot died in Harry Nilsson's apartment, and four years later Keith Moon died in the same room

I bet it was Harry and his Arrow. Straighter than narrow.

rebul , to til in TIL Cass Elliot died in Harry Nilsson's apartment, and four years later Keith Moon died in the same room

If only Harry had installed a CO2 detector..

Viking_Hippie , to til in TIL Cass Elliot died in Harry Nilsson's apartment, and four years later Keith Moon died in the same room

If only Harry had warned them about how dangerous that room was…

Mr_Blott , to til in TIL Joseph Stalin was struck by a sport carriage and severely injured at age 12, which a certain source cited by the Simple English Wikipedia took as his father dying in a drunken brawl

I’ve read this three times and I’ve no fuckin idea what your point is

MissJinx ,
@MissJinx@lemmy.world avatar

Thanl you. I thought I had unlearned how to read

rclkrtrzckr ,

Thnak you to.

Mr_Blott ,

Think god-knees we’re not alone!

wildginger ,

I think they are saying that stalin was in an accident as a kid, and some other entity cited this incident so incorrectly as to claim that his father died in a pub fight. Which became the commonly understood “fact.”

I think.

Aatube OP ,
@Aatube@kbin.social avatar

Yeah.

NounsAndWords , to til in TIL Cass Elliot died in Harry Nilsson's apartment, and four years later Keith Moon died in the same room

I don’t think Harry Nilsson was very responsible with his drugs.

originalucifer , to til in TIL Cass Elliot died in Harry Nilsson's apartment, and four years later Keith Moon died in the same room
@originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com avatar

alone again eh

swiffswaffplop ,

Naturally

EffortlessEffluvium ,

Gilbert O’Sullivan would like a word…

Zoboomafoo , to til in TIL the USA is the only country to not have ratified the Convention on the Rights of the Child

American opposition to the convention stems primarily from political and religious conservatives. For example, The Heritage Foundation considers that “a civil society in which moral authority is exercised by religious congregations, family, and other private associations is fundamental to the American order”

No surprise there

Ghostalmedia , (edited ) to til in TIL the USA is the only country to not have ratified the Convention on the Rights of the Child
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The US did sign and help to draft it, but to ratify you need a 2/3rd majority in the Senate. And the conservatives in Congress want domestic control over all law making and enforcement.

This could be an international treaty against punching kittens, and they would still vote no.

Edit: It’s also worth adding that a) this (like US law) has carve outs that allow kids to work under certain conditions, and b) this isn’t a labor specific treaty. This covers corporal, punishment, criminal punishment, education, gender, and sexuality, healthcare and a number of other things that are hot button issues for American conservatives.

Also, after this was drafted, the US has ratified international agreements on child labor.

Saying this is just a labor thing isn’t the full story at all.

Whelks_chance ,

For similar reasons the Tories in the UK want to throw away the current Human Rights Act.

You know, just in case it has too many rights, and they want to remove some later.

AllonzeeLV ,

This could be an international treaty against punching kittens, and they would still vote no.

Plus McConnell would never ratify a treaty that outlaws his favorite pastime.

datelmd5sum ,

The kittens are under anesthesia when they’re being punched. It’s very humane.

acockworkorange , (edited )

Don’t forget child brides. They’re still legal in many states of the US of A.

Moobythegoldensock , to til in TIL the USA is the only country to not have ratified the Convention on the Rights of the Child

It has been claimed that American opposition to the convention stems primarily from political and religious conservatives.

Shocking.

yeather , to til in TIL the USA is the only country to not have ratified the Convention on the Rights of the Child

The US barely ever ratifies treaties that require international oversight. It’s the same reason we have the UCMJ and not the Hague court.

cashews_best_nut OP ,

Because America believes it’s an exception and above everyone else.

yeather ,

More like the US would rather keep its territorial integrity. They have the ability to deal with violations in house, no need to have international boards be used against us.

oktoberpaard ,

You can’t expect any country to take the international court seriously if you don’t do it yourself. The logic that you’ve just used is exactly the kind of logic that countries would use that don’t want to be held accountable for their actions that go against international law.

loki ,

They have the ability to deal with violations in house

riiiiiiight, no bias at all in that. Hey, we investigated ourselves and found we are not liable to war crimes we commit abroad. how bloody fucking convenient.

Good job at giving Russia an excuse to be free of consequences when it finally loses in Ukraine. They’re probably going to make a case that they don’t need to have international boards be used against them too, no?

yeather ,

How would an international court be any less biased than a US court? Politics is politics just abiut everywhere.

ArbitraryValue , to til in TIL the USA is the only country to not have ratified the Convention on the Rights of the Child

These high-minded treaties don’t actually mean anything - there’s no enforcement mechanism and countries with a much worse human-rights record than the USA have signed them without consequences. IMO it’s better not to sign them than it is to pretend that signing does any good and lend unearned legitimacy to those other countries.

cashews_best_nut OP ,

Ah yes the oft-used American Exceptionalist attitude of “we’re too good to bind ourselves to treaties like this”.

Tale as old as time. It’s why the US isn’t a member of the ICJ and many other international treaties. King’s don’t follow rules - they make them!

originalucifer ,
@originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com avatar

acab and the u.s. is the worlds police force for hire. it tracks.

ArbitraryValue ,

The US is a member of the International Court of Justice - every country in the United Nations is. Are you thinking of the International Criminal Court?

Other than that, my answer is “yes but that’s not a bad thing”.

cashews_best_nut OP ,

Why is it a good thing?

ArbitraryValue ,
  1. The actions of an international court will inevitably be political.
  2. The countries that are the worst human rights violators will never voluntary accept the authority of the court.

In that context, why should the USA give other, potentially hostile countries power over itself? It might have been worthwhile if it meant everyone had to follow the rules but in practice it would just give countries opposed to US foreign policy a tool for interfering without giving the US anything useful.

(My general view is that the US has made many very harmful mistakes but the era of American hegemony has still been one of remarkable global peace and prosperity. Like democracy, it’s the worst system except for everything else that has been tried. Now we’re seeing serious challenges to this hegemony and if they succeed, the world will get worse for almost everyone, not just for Americans. So if you think the US does more harm than good, we’re unlikely to come to an agreement.)

Edit: accidentally deleted, reposting.

kugel7c , (edited )

The problem is that we need to for many reasons transition to an international order of democratic cooperation instead of economic and military domination. And if the US can never accept this kind of shared and cooperative approach foreign policy of everyone is going to be forever dragged towards this kind of zero sum bullshit we have at the moment. Even though it’s obvious that foreign policy doesn’t have to be zero sum.

Even if other countries are potentially less honest with their implementation of global treaties, even a relatively slow movement there and maybe a more thorough movement in the US makes everyone better off.

The only way to actually foster a cooperative relationship is to make yourself vulnerable, otherwise it’s just coercion and power not cooperation. And yes if you get hurt too much maybe you’ll have to leave again, but this pessimistic outlook from the get go is certainly never going to lead to the changes we obviously need.

How do we solve things that require global attentio and accountability, like climate change, with an increasingly hostile and isolationist country calling the shots on decisions about global economic matters.

Simply put if I want to live in a world somewhat resembling the current one in 60 years, American collapse or integration into global democracy is a necessity.

Also calling a country that has been at war for 80+% of it’s history a protector of global peace seems a bit questionable. Similarly I don’t think anyone can conclusively say that the US has done more or less harm than good. But by that same nebulous metric shouldn’t China hold that same title, as well as the Soviets, the British empire, the Spanish empire,the Romans ?

I would expect almost everyone to feel more ambiguously about the later list than the US, but both the US and empires of the past are exactly what they’ve always been, a tool for those inside, especially the ones in power to increase their quality of life, while everyone outside gets to be exploited, integrated, subjected to rules that do harm, and be attacked, regime changed and so on. It’s not actually the US that is a problem it’s the US being a modern empire that’s the problem.

That the US tries to be a liberal democracy doesn’t really lessen it’s status as an empire, especially if the powers at be largely prevent it’s people to decide against the status quo of domination.

Almost by necessity the most powerful are the most harmful if there are no systems to prevent their harm, diffuse their power etc.

Ghostalmedia , (edited )
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This perception arises from the fact that people think signing and ratifying are the same thing. They are not.

A treaty needs to be ratified to be legally binding, and ratification takes 2/3rd of the senate to OK it.

The executive branch signs international shit all the time, but they can’t get it through Congress. Which is why recent treaties lack teeth.

homura1650 ,

The treaty itself does not have any enforcement mechanism; however the US does. US courts recognize ratified treaties as having equal weight to laws passed the normal way Ratifying the Treaty would immediately make it federal law. The US has a robust enough legal system that the courts would the (over years of building up case law) determine exactly what that means.

Ghostalmedia ,
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This.

A treaty is a three step process. Draft, sign, ratify. This made it to step two, not step three for the US.

dan42O , to til in TIL the USA is the only country to not have ratified the Convention on the Rights of the Child

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