If the accusations against him were really false, the accusers deserve to be in jail considering the amount of damage they did to his career and his reputation.
Assuming the UK has similar enough standards of evidence to the US, cleared of charges is not the same as a false accusation. There just might not have been sufficient evidence to convict him. On top of that, they would likely need some strong evidence to bring charges for a false accusation (which they might not have).
Damn, I feel like his name’s been dragged through the mud these past few years. Not sure what the details of this whole thing are, but if the verdict is “Not Guilty” I guess that’s that.
Legal is not the same as moral or ethical. While he did not do things that were bad enough to lock him in a room over, we as a society are still allowed to socially punish him.
But what did he do? I’m not very tuned into everything that happened. Did he commit sexual assault or not? If they can’t charge him, I’d assume that means they can’t prove he did it right? OFC that doesn’t mean he actually didn’t, but I don’t see why anyone should “socially punish” him over something you don’t even know if he did or not, and something that he was found not guilty of.
I don’t mean for this sound like sexual assault apologia or something, I just really don’t understand the situation very well and trying to look this up online all I see is that he was accused and then found not guilty.
Agree about “legal being not the same as moral or ethical”, but calling for mob justice just isn’t something I would root for. The system isn’t perfect, of course, but one has to trust that people sitting in court have had access to more evidence than the randos of the internet, that, and the fact that everyone should be considered innocent until proven guilty.
everyone should be considered innocent until proven guilty.
Yes, absolutely. But the thing is that a lot of things are proven during trials that are immoral but not illegal. He could still have done a ton of indefensible stuff that makes him a bad person but still get a not guilty verdict. My point is that “Not being a criminal” is the lowest tier we should judge a person. If we are going to give a person a large amount of money and influence we are allowed to ask for more.
Yep, I get the sentiment, but it’s up to us to make amoral things illegal by means of democratic representation (assuming you live in a democratic country). It’s just slower, but that’s kind of the whole point of this :)
With all the requirements stipulated through this agreement it feels more like blackmail than anything. Glad they’re finally in, or in the process of getting in, but the whole thing just seems unreal and unfair.
This is an interesting topic you’re talking about here. What If NATO had such a section in their treaties that allowed a country to be kicked. How would that effect the alliance?
One of the key features of an alliance is trust, if you are at risk of getting kicked out, then you might not want to join, or you take it less serious?
Before I watch the video, my response is that it should still need a supermajority and only work during peacetime (by some reasonably expansive definition of it) but it should be possible. Otherwise you end up situations like the one we’re in. If it’s that hard to get kicked out I would feel fine about it for my own security, at least.
Had something similar. My bedroom was small and under the roof, and for some time I heard scratching noises at night over my bed. I assumed that were mice, so I set up some mouse traps in the attic. No success. The bait was gone, but none of the traps were sprung.
So, one evening when the noise got annoying, I went to investigate closely. And found a large wasps nests, right on the other side of the sheet rock of my bedroom.
I have a drone on offer up and some fool tried to convince me to trade for a flame thrower. Wtf am I going to do with a flame thrower? I guess I could vanquish my enemies… If I had any. People are weird.
Jesus. That sounds eerily like my experience. Heard scracthes in the attic and thought it was mice. Woke up one morning with a dead wasp in the bed and having been stung. Thought nothing of it. Woke up a few days later with two dead wasps in the bed and having been stung. Huh, that’s weird. Then when I woke up one morning I saw a wasp crawl between the planks in the ceiling. Called exterminators and they sprayed the attic. The wasps had built their nest in the isolation and had chewed through it down to the planks… The next week I had hundreds of dead (and a few alive) bees in the room every day and I had to sleep on the sofa…
Which is a good thing, just the way it’s harvested is the bad thing. Otherwise they will just figure out how to make it from plastic. Surprised that isn’t already a thing.
I want so badly for someone to steal shit from the British Museum only to give it to its country of origin. Like oh yeah we found the Benin Bronzes but they gave them back to Nigeria. What are they gonna do loot them again?
Items being left in their context > Items in a museum in the area they originate from > Items in a museum in a foreign area > Items in private possession
I don't know enough about any particular thing to say that being in the british museums is an improvement, but I don't think we should take it for granted that a museum is the ideal place for historical artifacts
> items decaying due to not being cared for > items being actively destroyed because people don’t care about them (Elgin Marbles moment, if they hadn’t been stolen they would’ve been pulverised to make building materials and yet now Greece are crying for them back) > items being actively destroyed for political reasons
There are huge amounts of things in Western museums that were looted, stolen, or otherwise illegitimately acquired (Koh I Noor among other things), but equally a lot of stuff was a case of “eh we don’t want it so if you’re going to pay for it in cash we’ll snap your hand off” - if you took something valued by the people then yeah you should give it back, but if you saved something unwanted from getting destroyed then I think the moral high ground is with the museum when they get a request for it to be returned
It’s funny because I came here wanting to make a comment about how that aspect of Indiana Jones didn’t really age well because it’s emblematic of the West thinking we are custodians of the world.
It’s even more funny because there’s so much stuff that really doesn’t belong in museums if you talk to curators. The average person thinks a Picasso would go for millions and be on display anywhere; there are sketches Picasso did that only have value because Picasso drew them not because they’re good Picassos or moving art. This piece has a good perspective. If we hoarded everything ever we’d get to the point where future generations couldn’t make any new art because there would be no space.
I will never be able to actually touch one of these gems because no museum would let me. At the end of the day there’s not much difference between me flying across the world and standing in line with a bunch of people taking shitty selfies in front of a ton of protective glass to catch a glimpse of one side of this gem and seeing a virtual scan I can move around. Digitize it, send it back where it came from, and look toward new art.
Not in YOUR museum though, unless it was loaned by the country it belongs to. And to say “oh it’s safer here in our nice white museums” is nothing short of the continued patriarchal attitude that the British have towards other countries and races. You think it’s safer with you? Too bad, it’s not your call to make.
In so many cases that exact sentiment just turned out to be true though. How many ancient artifacts have been destroyed by political/religions extremists? How many more were lost due to neglect or because people tore them apart to use them as building materials? It probably wasn’t right to take them at the time but man, am I glad they took them.
British people are also not good at preserving history. Almost every ruined castle was at one point torn down for building materials. It’s probably the most common theme I read about on the little information plaques on them
You’re just underscoring my argument. If the British were about to tear down Stonehenge for building a shopping mall and out of nowhere the Black Panther’s stealth jet materialized to take the entire thing to the Wakanda national museum, I’d be absolutely fine with it.
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