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Japan says Chinese military violated territorial airspace for first time

The territorial violation by China is the latest in a series of events amplifying tensions between Beijing and Japan.

A Chinese military surveillance plane breached Japanese airspace off the country’s southwestern coast on Monday, marking what Japan’s defense ministry described as the first known incursion by China’s military into its territorial airspace.

According to a ministry official, a Chinese reconnaissance aircraft briefly entered Japanese territory near Nagasaki Prefecture around 11:30 a.m. on Monday. In response, Japan’s Self-Defense Force put fighter jets on high alert and issued a warning to the Chinese aircraft.

While Chinese planes frequently appear in international airspace around Japan, this incident represents the first confirmed entry of a military aircraft into Japan’s territorial airspace.

magnetosphere ,
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My reckless, irresponsible “solution” would be to just shoot ’em the fuck down. It’s a good thing I’m not in charge of Japanese border security. I’d probably start World War 3.

NOT_RICK ,
@NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

Meh, Turkey shot down a Russian jet and nothing happened a handful of years back. Can you really be that mad when a fighter breaching protected airspace is shot down?

OpenStars ,
@OpenStars@discuss.online avatar

It’s not about “mad”, it’s about pushing boundaries. If they decide they want to…

Buelldozer ,
@Buelldozer@lemmy.today avatar

it’s about pushing boundaries.

China is going to keep pushing boundaries until they get punched in the mouth.

Dozzi92 ,
@Dozzi92@lemmy.world avatar

They need a bigger plane that can just drop a net on the other plane and tow it in to Japan and give the pilot a stern talking to, and then they take the plane apart and send it back in a box. Dismantling the pilot optional.

limonfiesta ,

Yes, you can.

Russia and Turkey have very different political dynamics than China and Japan.

Also, these types of airspace incursions, followed by intercepts, are pretty standard amongst major powers.

It doesn’t mean they’re benign, but that shooting down Chinese planes intentionally as a response, is something you do if you’re willing and ready for the escalation path to result in open conflict, not simply an escalation.

scarabic ,

Whereas these airspace incursions are just… something you do?

Cyberjin ,

Turkey isn’t reliant on Russia, while Japan is very reliant on China.

China is a baby when it comes to politics, gets mad and never apologizes over the smallest thing.

Example when Australia said they wanted an investigation for COVID. China quickly took offense and banned coal, beef and wine imports.

Another example when Japan released Fukushima water into Ocean (following protocol). China got mad because Japan were “polluting” the water, so they banned fish imports from Japan. Irony is that China does it way worse and unregulated.

Just think what this airplane could start if they shoot it down.

lemmyseikai ,

Why is Japan reliant on China?

Cyberjin ,

Japan 🗾 is very isolated and everything is made in China. Even a lot of food imports are from China too. If you go to local supermarket in Japan, a lot of meat are labeled from China or “overseas” to hide it.

Personally I’m been trying to avoid as much I can because China doesn’t have the best record when it comes hygiene and food safety.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
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My reckless, irresponsible “solution” would be to just shoot ’em the fuck down.

Reconnaissance aircraft are notoriously difficult to hit, due to their high altitude and high speed.

Firing a bunch of ordinance into the sky would just mean raining it back down on your own population.

mlfh ,

The Y9 in question here though is slow, fat, and low - max speed of 360kn and a service ceiling of 10,000m. It’s a cargo plane with EW stuff on it.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Then it seems like there’s a leap of logic between “cargo plane” and “reconnaissance aircraft”. Very possible it was just an inexperienced/behind schedule pilot cutting corners on the route.

Seems like a dick move to kill an entire plane full of people because someone decided to short-cut through your airspace.

NOT_RICK ,
@NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

Very possible it was just an inexperienced/behind schedule pilot cutting corners on the route.

In a vacuum, maybe. In the context of how China has been acting towards nearly all of their neighbors recently, not likely. This reeks of wolf warrior diplomacy.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

In the context of how China has been acting towards nearly all of their neighbors

The Western reporting coverage of Chinese military operations is slanted to paint China as an aggressor, in the same way Western reporting of Iraq in the early 2000s was slanted to paint Iraqis as terrorists.

You don’t read about American military aircraft invading Japanese airspace because Japan is occupied territory. You don’t read about Taiwanese aircraft invading Chinese airspace, because there’s no defined territorial line between them on account of Taiwan being contested territory.

This reeks of wolf warrior diplomacy.

China sending a single Rambo-esque supersoldier in to liberate native peoples from an evil mercenary army?

NOT_RICK ,
@NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

China’s actions paint them as an aggressor.

You’re right that you don’t read about the US military invading Japanese territory as they are invited by the Japanese government. Countries are free to repeal that invitation just like Niger.

And no, I’m not referencing a movie.

cm0002 ,

The Western reporting coverage of Chinese military operations is slanted to paint China as an aggressor

China is literally aggressive in both active and passive ways, maybe some news outlets are exaggerating a little for clicks, but it’s not by much

You don’t read about American military aircraft invading Japanese airspace because Japan is occupied territory.

Japan isn’t “occupied territory” they are a US ally who allows us to have a base there for rapid response and protection.

You don’t read about Taiwanese aircraft invading Chinese airspace, because there’s no defined territorial line between them on account of Taiwan being contested territory.

Lol, nah, Taiwan is a country the only one contesting it is China in the same way that Russia is “contesting” that Ukraine is their territory.

This reeks of wolf warrior diplomacy.

China sending a single Rambo-esque supersoldier in to liberate native peoples from an evil mercenary army?

  1. It’s called strategic boundary pushing China has been known to do such things with their other neighbors
  2. You reek of a China apologist
UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

China is literally aggressive in both active and passive ways

Are we doing the “Chinese Weather Balloon” hysteria again?

Japan isn’t “occupied territory” they are a US ally

Starting in which year?

Taiwan is a country the only one contesting it is China

Where does Taiwanese airspace end and Chinese airspace begin? Would it surprise you to discover that Taiwan claims airspace over the south end of China?

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/5baf0fb5-6604-475e-a4ee-56aa41791745.jpeg

I know folks on here love making the “East Taiwan” joke, but are you seriously going to argue that Xiamen and Fuzhou are also part of Taiwan?

It’s called strategic boundary pushing

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/19180cc4-ced7-48fc-b75d-56b1db4db95f.jpeg

NOT_RICK , (edited )
@NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

Why does this picture place a US military base in Hong Kong?

Edit: also, identification zone =/= claimed airspace

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

US aircraft carriers patrol the territory regularly.

DogWalker87 ,

Shut up nerd

assassin_aragorn ,

Are we doing the “Chinese Weather Balloon” hysteria again?

If the US sent a bunch of weather balloons into Chinese airspace without any warning and they approached government and military sites, would you say the same thing?

Without explicit permission from the government it is a breach of sovereignty. The US had the right to annihilate all of those balloons the instant they passed into US airspace – just like China has the right to destroy the hypothetical US balloons as soon as they pass into Chinese airspace.

For how often China beats the drum about sovereignty, they should know this.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

If the US sent a bunch of weather balloons into Chinese airspace without any warning

China claimed Monday that the United States flew spy balloons into Chinese airspace more than 10 times since January 2022 without Beijing’s permission, accusations that further ratcheted up tensions between the two countries amid mutual allegations of surveillance.

The US had the right to annihilate all of those balloons the instant they passed into US airspace

The US feds panicked at the bad press and created a rain of falling debris over South Carolina. Heck of a job.

cm0002 ,

Are we doing the “Chinese Weather Balloon” hysteria again?

Ah yea, when people are concerned when a near-hostile country sends over unknown aircraft unannounced it’s just “hysteria”. Not like those weather balloons are perfectly capable of carrying bombs or biowarfare contagions or anything…

Starting in which year?

April 28, 1952 when the San Francisco Peace Treaty that was signed on September 8, 1951 went into effect.

Here’s a wikipedia article all about US-Japan relations since you appear to have flunked highschool history

cygnus ,
@cygnus@lemmy.ca avatar

You don’t read about American military aircraft invading Japanese airspace because Japan is occupied territory.

Least delusional tankie

scarabic ,

Dude what? China’s near-daily incursions over Taiwan have escalated and escalated to an objectively ridiculous level. Nobody “painting” shit.

ForgotAboutDre ,

Not a mistake anyone would make accidentally. They wouldn’t be allowed to fly near hostile territory without being well informed of the risks and consequences. This was a planned and deliberate action, or Chinas airforce is incompetent and can’t be trusted.

Both are dangerous and shouldn’t be tolerated in your territory.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Not a mistake anyone would make accidentally.

It’s a routine mistake that happens regularly, particularly when there is a large amount of traffic and a crop of younger personal.

Both are dangerous and shouldn’t be tolerated in your territory.

We’ve flipped from “China is being too hostile” to “The US isn’t being hostile enough”.

But it turns out they’re two sides of the same coin. Americans simply can’t get enough war.

WldFyre ,

What part of this story involves the US lol

limonfiesta , (edited )

Possible, but these are also the type of aircraft you would expect to see in mass during any naval conflict or blockading action against China. I believe the PLAAF/PLAN are working on their version of Rapid Dragon.

Relatively slow, but plentiful, cargo planes, would be a pretty obvious choice for launching a saturation attack against USN or Japanese forces operating outside the range of their land based missiles. Again, assuming they develop a similar system to Rapid Dragon.

TranscendentalEmpire ,

Reconnaissance aircraft are notoriously difficult to hit, due to their high altitude and high speed.

I mean, maybe in the 80’s? The technological advancements of SAM have basically made speed and altitude mean next to nothing. Now most things depend on being hard to pick up on radar, or like the plane in the article, are just large planes filled with electronic warfare equipment.

Firing a bunch of ordinance into the sky would just mean raining it back down on your own population.

This would have been over the Pacific…

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

The technological advancements of SAM have basically made speed and altitude mean next to nothing.

Show me the American-made hypersonic air defense missile.

cygnus ,
@cygnus@lemmy.ca avatar

Hypersonic AD is the dumbest thing ever. The most important things in AD are maneuverability and accuracy, and going supersonic tremendously impedes both, unless “missing the incoming weapon as quickly as possible” is your main objective.

NOT_RICK ,
@NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

It’s called patriot. It’s shot down multiple Russian Kinzhals in Ukraine.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Sure it has.

NOT_RICK ,
@NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

Doubt all you want, but you don’t have to meet a hypersonic missile where it is, only where it will be. They aren’t very maneuverable at their maximum velocities which means it’s possible to shoot them down with a slower intercept missile provided the battery is in a favorable location to make an intercept in time.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

you don’t have to meet a hypersonic missile where it is, only where it will be

Just fire the bullet to hit the other bullet, sure. Very easy and we do it successfully all the time.

it’s possible to shoot them down with a slower intercept missile

Theoretically.

NOT_RICK ,
@NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

You can watch this happen all the time in practice with slower missiles with the iron dome. The math is the same.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

The math is the same.

Lolz. Lmao, even.

NOT_RICK ,
@NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

“I’ve already depicted you as the Soyjak and me as the Chad” energy

Siegfried ,

Case closed

cygnus ,
@cygnus@lemmy.ca avatar

This kind of pro-Russian cope was much more justifiable 2 and a half years ago. Now that reality has unveiled the decrepit, incompetent reality that lies beneath the propaganda, it’s just sad. I hope this cheerleading is just a halfhearted effort on your part (or that you’re doing it for a few rubles per post), otherwise this is pathetic.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Now that reality has unveiled the decrepit, incompetent reality that lies beneath the propaganda

I mean, we’re saying this with a Boeing Starliner stranded at the ISS. But sure, America has a super-secret anti-hypersonic missile system that’s just like the Iron Dome (nobody ask how Hamas was piercing the Most Sophisticated Defense System in the world with a box full of scraps, btw) only 10x better.

I hope this cheerleading is just a halfhearted

This whole thread is nothing but cheerleading. You’re even fan-casting the existence of anti-missile systems the US admits it doesn’t have.

cygnus , (edited )
@cygnus@lemmy.ca avatar

You must have me confused with somebody else. I’m the one saying hypersonic missiles are pointless. The US toyed with them 50 years ago, and AD was obviously much less advanced than it is today. Not only that, but AFAIK the Sprint Missile is still the fastest of all time, so by your own standard where more speed makes for a better missile, you should be cheering for the USA.

Buelldozer ,
@Buelldozer@lemmy.today avatar

I’m the one saying hypersonic missiles are pointless.

Old generation non-maneuvering were pointless. The new ones though…

cygnus ,
@cygnus@lemmy.ca avatar

Speed comes at the expense of maneuverability. The laws of physics still apply, even in Russia (or on the internet).

Buelldozer ,
@Buelldozer@lemmy.today avatar

It undeniably does until the DoD gets spooked and starts burying defense contractors in unspeakably large piles of money. Then you get the AGM-183A and where did the US choose to test it? Guam where China could would have a front row seat.

There’s so much ludicrous tech rolling out of the US MIC right now that it’s honestly getting hard to keep track of. Rapid Dragon missile deployment, hypersonic missiles, hypersonic planes, combined cycle rotating detonation jet propulsion, laser defense systems, next gen ICBMs, quantum radar, quantum lidar, underwater autonomous drones that can self power and remain hidden for months at a time…the list of verifiable stuff hurts my brain.

cygnus ,
@cygnus@lemmy.ca avatar

The 183 was cancelled, no? And yes, there are always lots of goofy sci-fi projects on the go. My favourite to date is MARAUDER, because it was cool and especially because of the acronym. It’s extremely unlikely that any of those will be produced at scale, though, let alone deployed anywhere. TBH I’m far more concerned about cyberwarfare and the negligent approach to cybersecurity in infrastructure than I am about high-tech weapons.

Buelldozer ,
@Buelldozer@lemmy.today avatar

The 183 was cancelled, no?

Maybe yes, maybe no. There’s no official decision yet but it exists and that means it or something like it will soon find its way into the inventory. I agree that there’s always lots of small scale high-tech demonstrators but things like E-SHORAD (Laser Air Defense system) are already out there. The combined cycle rotating detonation jet engine already exists at Hermeus (and they supposedly got it from Lockheed), Rapid Dragon exists, Manta Ray exists.

I agree with you on CyberSec. It’s a real and urgent problem.

cygnus ,
@cygnus@lemmy.ca avatar

I thought the laser CIWS was deemed a failure and shelved too? Or are you referring to something different? I’m not familiar with that jet engine, but it looks like a new and improved scramjet. Rapid Dragon is just putting missiles on a pallet instead of on a pylon, so I’d hardly call it groundbreaking… And this is the first I hear about Manta Ray. It looks cool, but I wonder how they get a signal to it when it’s deep underwater?

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

hypersonic missiles are pointless

An even bolder claim.

the Sprint Missile is still the fastest of all time

The theory behind the Sprint Missile was to deflect an ICBM with a nuclear blast. That’s definitely a potential solution to a hypersonic missile attack, but I’m sure you can think of a few reasons why it didn’t go into mass production.

cygnus ,
@cygnus@lemmy.ca avatar

My point is that the concept itself is antiquated. The US restarted their hypersonic missile programs a few years ago due to media and public pressure caused by Russian and Chinese propaganda about their wunderwaffen. It’s one of those ideas like railguns that resurfaces every few decades and gets shelved again.

Er, actually, I take it back… Please report to your superiors that hypersonic missiles are the future, and that decadent westoids are terrified of them. Prioritise these programs at all costs (other than keeping the Kuznetsov afloat, because that is also very important).

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

the concept itself is antiquated

“Fast moving thing is hard to stop” goes straight back to antiquity, sure. But post-Cold War or mattered a lot less because we no longer had a first generation military adversary.

The US restarted their hypersonic missile programs a few years ago due to media and public pressure caused by Russian and Chinese propaganda

Yes, because the US media and the US MIC aren’t joined at the hip. GE Aerospace was strong armed by Hulu, which was strong armed by TEMU and Rosneft in turn.

Please report to your superiors that hypersonic missiles are the future

Americans will spend their last billion dollars on one more new aircraft carrier rather than go to therapy.

Buelldozer ,
@Buelldozer@lemmy.today avatar

I mean, we’re saying this with a Boeing Starliner stranded at the ISS.

Meanwhile another US company, which is also a defense contractor, has revolutionized the space industry. It regularly launches satellites by the dozens and can rendezvous with the ISS anytime that NASA asks. The fact that one company, Boeing, is struggling with a product means absolutely nothing to the industry as a whole.

But sure, America has a super-secret anti-hypersonic missile system that’s just like the Iron Dome

It’s absolutely no secret. It’s a Patriot System and it’s quite capable of handling the laughable “Hypersonic Missiles”, i.e. repurposed non maneuvering ballistic trajectory junk from the 80s and 90s, that adversaries field today.

Does the US have perfect gear that never fails? Absolutely not, some of our stuff is junk or near junk, but when it comes to this kind of thing the the US has no peer.

You’re even fan-casting the existence of anti-missile systems the US admits it doesn’t have.

We we have an entire Department dedicated to it along with platforms like SBX-1 and THAAD (among other things.)

Again its not perfect but it definitely exists and it gets better every single year.

NOT_RICK ,
@NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

The only one positing that a missile defense system has to be 100% effective to be real is you.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

a missile defense system has to be 100% effective to be real

It can be 0% effective, so long as it turns a profit. The best anti-air system is the one people simply think is effective.

It’s the ultimate Bear Patrol. People will pay through the nose, convinced the shield is why they’ve never been hit.

EldritchFeminity ,

Tell me you don’t know what you’re talking about without telling me.

You don’t need to hit the bullet with a bullet. You just hit it with a shotgun blast or grenade, either destroying it outright or blowing it off course enough that it loses its energy and becomes ineffective. We literally do this all the time on tanks and humvees. It’s called a hardkill APS. The Russians had one working in the 70s. Modern ones are capable of detecting incoming tank rounds moving between 700-1700m/s, identifying which will hit the vehicle, and blowing them out of the air once they reach 10-15 meters away. All in a span of nanoseconds. It’s standard equipment on Israel’s MBT, and Germany, the US, and the UK have all field tested various systems and are considering making hardkill systems standard for the next generation of tanks and IFVs. Multiple companies across multiple countries make them for upgrade kits. Germany already produces vehicles with standard hardkill APS for their export market.

This isn’t crazy sci-fi technology. It’s just rocket science.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

You don’t need to hit the bullet with a bullet. You just hit it with a shotgun blast or grenade

Tell me you don’t know what you’re talking about without telling me.

:-|

This isn’t crazy sci-fi technology. It’s just rocket science.

Incredible.

EldritchFeminity ,

That’s…literally how hardkill APS works. CIWS takes the same approach but uses a rotary cannon instead. The issue ain’t putting a missile in the path of the other missile. It’s in having enough time to do so. This is why the US concluded that the most effective way to intercept an ICBM is to destroy it before it finishes its acceleration stages. Ballistics is a known quantity.

Still aren’t convincing that you know what the hell you’re talking about.

TranscendentalEmpire ,

I mean there’s material evidence out there that pretty well proves it, and Russia has ceased to claim that they’re fake reports.

If the kinzhal missiles were actually “hypersonic missiles” that could maneuver at speed, then yeah they’d be hard to intercept. However, the kinzhal are actually just missiles with a ramjet, meaning they hold a fairly normal flight trajectory and can be targeted by systems like the patriot.

Shooting a bullet with another bullet is basically what all anti air systems do, the only thing that changes is the scaling in the math.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Russia has ceased to claim that they’re fake reports

If I had a dollar for every time some hack talk radio announcer claimed “They’re not even denying it anymore, folks!”

Shooting a bullet with another bullet is basically what all anti air systems do

The Iron Dome is regularly penetrated by bottle rockets and radio shack drones. This was supposed to be the top of the line in anti-air defense. But sure, Boeing is sitting on something that’s way better.

TranscendentalEmpire ,

“They’re not even denying it anymore, folks!”

Lol, k. Then please offer any evidence that the evidence and reporting are fake?

The Iron Dome is regularly penetrated by bottle rockets and radio shack drones.

It’s almost like air defense weapons all have a margin for error… Kinda like how we’ve regularly seen s300 and s400 systems get taken out by himars, a weapon platform from the 80’s.

But sure, Boeing is sitting on something that’s way better.

Lol, not sure who you’re arguing with. I haven’t mentioned the iron dome or Boeing… Do you exclusively argue via a strawman ?

TranscendentalEmpire ,

Show me the American-made hypersonic air defense missile

Lol, what does that have to do with reconnaissance airplanes?

My whole argument is that planes can no longer out run/maneuver surface to air missiles. What does that have to do with hypersonic missiles?

JigglySackles ,

Patriot system. Already proven to fuck up hypersonic shit

Buelldozer ,
@Buelldozer@lemmy.today avatar

Reconnaissance aircraft are notoriously difficult to hit

With exceptions for the United State’s top shelf stealth planes the Japanese are quite capable of shooting down anything flying in earths atmosphere. In the event that Japanese can’t do it the United States Aircraft Carrier Group assigned to Japan absolutely can.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

the Japanese are quite capable of shooting down anything flying in earths atmosphere

Sure. Just put in a call to the Americans to do it for them.

Still not clear why anyone is shooting down Chinese cargo planes.

Buelldozer ,
@Buelldozer@lemmy.today avatar

Just put in a call to the Americans to do it for them.

Japan has its own domestically developed Surface to Air missile system.

Still not clear why anyone is shooting down Chinese cargo planes.

The Y-9 has several variants, some of which are ELINT and AWACS. I’d trust the Japanese to know which are which, they see them often enough on their radar screens.

limonfiesta ,

This isn’t reconnaissance, it’s standard airspace incursion and intercept.

Everyone here seems to be a really hawkish as of late, or possibly just having a very poor understanding of international relations.

Kolanaki ,
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I mean sometimes they didn’t even mean to be in your airspace, the instruments on the craft just went goofy and now they’re lost. It wouldn’t be cool to shoot someone down just because they don’t know where they are.

(Not saying this is what happened, just that it can happen)

scarabic ,

How does GPS just “go goofy?”

thefartographer ,

I’ve got a better solution for you: wall of chain guns firing a curtain of giant bullets straight up all the time. All approved flights will be directed through the part of the curtain that’ll be reloading in sync with their breach.

ProfessorScience ,

Is this the Simpsons approach? “I’m just going to fire my chain guns like this, and if you get shot down it’s your own fault!”

tiredofsametab ,

That ought to be fun with all the border disputes. Some islands are claimed by 4 (well, 5) nations:

  • Japan
  • South Korea
  • North Korea (because they claim the south and all their claims)
  • Taiwan
  • China
ILikeBoobies ,

russia has claims as well

tiredofsametab ,

Yeah, in the north there are still disputes as well.

atro_city ,

Why is China trying to piss off all its neighbors?

fiddlesticks ,
@fiddlesticks@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

So that they can attack Taiwan to “secure local allies” would be my incredibly uneducated guess.

andrew_bidlaw ,
@andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works avatar

Notice me nippon sempai UwU

assassin_aragorn ,

At least this time they aren’t claiming most of the South China Sea and ramming Philippine fisherman boats.

Verat ,

But they did just do this.

Eiri ,

I suspect they have something to gain by fueling a climate of geopolitical tension. Maybe they hope someone will turn to them because they’re scared?

I’m not sure what exactly but I’ve got a feeling we’re underestimating their intelligence when we say they’re just posturing or being silly.

But then again, several years ago people thought Trump and Musk had a plan and were just posturing as idiots while playing 4D chess. How wrong they were.

I may just be giving the Chinese government too much credit… But I’m leaning towards no.

Darkscryber ,

Remember when Japan was not respecting the borders?

ILikeBoobies ,

So not respecting borders is bad or was Japan justified?

Duamerthrax ,

Remember what happened when they didn’t respect the borders?

Cyberjin ,

Not surprising China Always pushing borders, salami slicing, claiming what’s not theirs, sending spy balloons etc

Sadly they just get away with it

someguy3 ,

Wheee.

But in seriousness, if China learned anything from Russia’s invasion of Ukraine it’s that military corruption is a bitch and you need way more equipment than you thought. I expect it’s posturing. Sun Tzu: when you’re weak, appear strong.

veni_vedi_veni ,

China is facing a demographic crisis, but unlike Japan or Western nations, it still has a weak middle class seen with how domestic consumption has all but dried up.

This posturing does nothing but quickens the pace that foreign development investment, the only tangible injection of wealth into the country, leaves.

Unfortunately, due to Xi consolidating power, cult of personality, noone can say the obvious that his administration is retarded and needs to step down.

ohmyiv ,
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cygnus , (edited )
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Damn that plane looks so much older than it is (2012). It looks like a C-130 had a baby with an ATR-72.

Edit: oh, it’s based on an An-12, no wonder!

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