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Baphomet_The_Blasphemer ,

His plan is to tell Ukraine to stop fighting and just let it happen.

fluxion ,

Everyone knows this, but it’s difficult to point out how dogshit Trump’s “plan” is if he refuses to state what his actual plan is.

intensely_human ,

Did he say he had a plan? I thought he said he could end the war.

ZILtoid1991 ,

And when Putin asks Trump to accept the end of Ukraine and no longer accept the Ukrainian language as separate from Russian, he will immediately do some executive orders.

ChickenLadyLovesLife ,

Ha ha “asks”.

JesusSon ,
@JesusSon@lemmy.world avatar

If it’s good enough for the woman he rapes it’s good enough for Ukraine.

TheClockStruck13 ,

I’ve been digging into the whole rape thing, correct me if I’m wrong but it looks a lot like a smear campaign than anything else, that is which to say, there is zero evidence he did this and yet the mainstream media has been instructed to go hard with it lately to perhaps persuade the public to vote against him… thoughts?

KinglyWeevil ,

A civil court conviction seems like enough for me

JesusSon ,
@JesusSon@lemmy.world avatar

“As the court explained in its recent decision denying Mr Trump’s motion for a new trial on damages and other relief [in the New York case] … based on all of the evidence at trial and the jury’s verdict as a whole, the jury’s finding that Mr Trump ‘sexually abused’ Ms Carroll implicitly determined that he forcibly penetrated her digitally – in other words, that Mr. Trump, in fact, did ‘rape’ Ms. Carroll as that term commonly is used and understood in contexts outside of the New York penal law.” - Lewis A. Kaplan: Senior Judge of the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York.

bloodfart ,

Am I reading this right that it’s because a civil decision by jury implies rape?

FanciestPants ,

Pretty much, except it may be more appropriate to replace “implies” with “determined there was sufficient evidence to conclude”

bloodfart ,

Listen, I’m not a lawyer, I’m not trying to say I am.

It’s widely understood that civil litigation is held to a lower level of scrutiny than criminal proceedings are.

It’s widely accepted that jury trials are more prone to error than other types of hearings.

The legal meaning of the word “implicit” in that sentence is something close to “we didn’t ask the jury about this, but something they did rule on could be interpreted as implying it”.

I’m not making an excuse for trump or normalizing rape when I say the following:

That is paper fucking thin.

lepinkainen ,

He’s been on Epsteins plane 7 times. He was his friend.

Trump also knew Epstein liked “younger girls”.

It’s all in court documents

FatCrab ,

You have been corrected because you are very obviously wrong. Are you going to integrate this correction into your espoused views going forward or are you just going to repeat the same brain dead bullshit again and again?

TheClockStruck13 ,

Angry vitriol to a stranger on the internet for holding a opposing view, Let it all out there buddy!

intensely_human ,

thoughts?

Ever the optimist I see

lolcatnip ,

It’s virtually impossible to smear Trump, because what could you come to with that’s worse than the truth?

BeBa ,

By “digging into” do you mean “reading about it on truth social”? Because that is the only way in which someone might look into this situation and conclude trump isn’t guilty

TheClockStruck13 ,

I use twitter because it has the community notes thing and tends to allow both sides of the spectrum to state their views

Blackmist ,

Just like he tells underaged girls.

CableMonster ,

This is really not that hard, its to negotiate peace with the main part being that Ukraine will never join nato. Its almost like we could have totally avoided hundreds of thousands of dead people if our foreign policy didnt suck so bad.

spongebue ,

Putin should have no reason to give a rat’s ass if any country is in NATO, unless he plans on invading it.

CableMonster ,

They correctly feel that nato is an anti soviet/russian union. Why should they not be concerned about it getting on their border?

spongebue ,

What is NATO doing to interfere with Russia’s domestic operations and sovereignty? Ukraine is not Russia, so Russia should have no say in the matter just because they’re next to each other.

Same thing would apply if Ukraine were to invade Russia. Ukraine would have no business doing so.

CableMonster ,

Putting arms near their border… This has been a known problem since the cuban missle crisis.

spongebue ,

And what history does NATO have of using their arms for offensive purposes, rather than defense?

CableMonster ,

A really big history… Take a peak at what countries are in nato and realize they have a long history of being directly in conflict with Russia/Soviet Union.

spongebue ,

You mean like being a part of the USSR and wanting nothing to do with them?

CableMonster ,

Or directly fighting them and having a 40 year long cold war. Maybe most of those countries have been in direct war with russia in recent memory.

spongebue ,

Or maybe Ukraine isn’t the aggressor here and Putin is proving why Ukraine wants to be in NATO

CableMonster ,

Ukraine is not the aggressor, I never said it was. What I will say is that this was was 100% preventable with the promise that Ukraine would not join nato. It was a known red line, and it was crossed. “BUT UKRAINE CAN DO WHAT IT WANTS!!!” Great, and NATO can directly say we dont want a conflict and we dont want Ukraine to be a part because we know it is a line that will likely trigger a war.

spongebue ,

I’m also curious how annexing a country and extending your borders to countries already in NATO solves that problem?

MentallyExhausted ,

Russia doesn’t get to dictate what sovereign nations do. They can fuck off back to their own country, that would put an immediate stop to the war.

CableMonster ,

Thats true, but what if we had listened to them and prevented hundreds of thousands of dead people? Why would that have been bad?

MentallyExhausted ,

What if they had listened to us and not fucking invaded a sovereign nation? Why would that have been bad?

CableMonster ,

So then nato gets to constantly aggress on them and they cant do anything? And then you are shocked that they invaded.

MentallyExhausted ,

“Aggress on them” by existing on their border? This is apologist and appeasement nonsense. Russia’s rights end at their borders.

CableMonster ,

Except that the cuban missle crises shows the US completely disagrees (unless it is convenient at that moment). Do you not see how this war was 100% avoidable if nato did not cross the directly drawn line?

MentallyExhausted ,

Comparing them to our imperialist actions isn’t the brilliant argument that you think it is.

At any rate, NATO has never offered membership to Ukraine — they’ve been explicitly told their corruption issues were a non-starter.

And, of course, Ukraine only started those talks following Russia invading Crimea in 2014. Again, Russia is the clear aggressor here. Get real.

CableMonster ,

You are correct that they didnt offer it yet, but it was on the table, and NATO knew that was the reddest of red lines. You also do even know why russia took over Crimea in the first place.

And yes, how america would react is imporant because it shows how we really feel, not just propaganda about how they can do what they please.

Mirshe ,

Moreover, surrendering whatever Russia sticks a flag in is appeasement nonsense. We’ve already seen this strategy before WWII: *oh, Germany will be OK if we just cede Czechoslovakia. Oh, Germany won’t attack if we cede Alsace-Lorraine…" An aggressive power like Russia, who already tried to annex large portions of another sovereign nation in 2008 (they invaded Georgia and got their shit kicked in because they tried the whole “three day thunder run” strategy), almost certainly will not stop if you just “give them what they want”. Eventually, they’ll want more, and more, and more, and you wind up surrendering slice after slice after slice of your country.

cultsuperstar ,

Remember when Trump said he would get rid of the ACA and they had a plan to replace it? But he never had a plan and eventually said “who knew healthcare was so complicated?” (Everybody knew it was complicated.) This is the exact same thing.

HubertManne ,

if trump was president in 1940 ww2 would have never happened. Also ww1 for 1914. and civil war for 1861. If trump was president before we would all live in solid gold houses and drive rocket cars with zero pollution

Sam_Bass ,

Only things he likes more than himself are underage girls.

GiddyGap ,

Trump has got to be among the biggest narcissists alive.

GladiusB ,
@GladiusB@lemmy.world avatar

And he’s teaching others how to be one too

AngryCommieKender ,

Given how fat he is, that is probably true in multiple ways

BeBa ,

True but he does have the smallest hands

Yawweee877h444 ,

His plan is to hand you over to putin on a silver platter, for free.

t_chalco ,

“Our government has a [flexible] policy not to capitulate to [the oligarch that owns my debt and may, possibly have some lewd photos] demands.” - Trump quoting Patron Saint of Neoliberalism, Golden Idol of the GOP, Ronald Wilson Regan

AngryCommieKender ,

Given their track records, maybe we shouldn’t vote anyone with the name Wilson in their name to the highest office anymore…

Sam_Bass ,

I believe hes already said he would pull all US aid out and let russia have them

TheClockStruck13 ,

The entire military complex is milking the US taxpayer dollar from this war, if Trump were to stand in the way of the MIC and their income… given the presidential assassinations observed in recent history I would imagine that he would have multiple crosshairs on his forehead:.: it would take an incredible amount of patriotic duty to ignore that risk and pull funding anyway.

alienanimals ,

“It would be so patriotic to let the Ukrainians get genocided by our long-time enemy bro”

TheClockStruck13 ,

Putin has been on Tucker Carlson and remained fairly clear since the beginning that this war is not about killing Ukraine people (in a genocide as you word it)… in fact the genocide is really happening as a result of US influence, Russia has many legitimate reasons to seek unification of Ukraine with Russian interests, I don’t agree with them, but I disagree that it is a US interest to send US taxpayer money to Ukraine for weapons and arms to prolong this war.

America simply cannot afford to forever siphon money out of the coffers to Ukraine which then purchase weapons and arms which then make the weapons and arms dealers more powerful and wealthy… it’s a wholesale scam, just as we saw in the Middle East… Orwell predicted this, long drawn out pointless wars that suddenly stop when a new war is created. Today we’re told Russia bad guy, tomorrow it might be palestines Hamas, in the future we may see a forever war with China…

It doesn’t really matter at this point. America just like other allied nations should stay out of other people’s wars. Military tax money should be on a need to have basis only

alienanimals ,

During the course of the entire war, the US has spent $175 billion helping Ukraine. This might sound like a lot until you realize that in just a single year, the US’ federal budget is $6.5 trillion. So even if we paid for everything all at once, there’s still $6.32 trillion left this year.

Not to mention most of the money goes back into the American economy. We are spending money on weapons that are largely sitting in warehouses that we would otherwise need to be replaced. Weapons don’t last forever. So for pennies on the dollar we are saving Ukrainian cities from being “liberated” by our cold war enemy that never stopped being our cold war enemy. Sounds like a great investment to me.

TheClockStruck13 ,

Yea the idea of “oh we get the money back” or “we have weapons lying around” isn’t selling it to me.

Also, Russia has nukes… we shouldn’t be tempting WW3. The whole thing is eff’d

lolcatnip ,

Everyone is saying his plan is to give Ukraine to Russia, but his actual plan is to try to give all of Europe to Russia by pulling out of NATO.

JJROKCZ ,

The plan is stop supporting Ukraine and support Russia. You know this Zelenskyy…

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