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deadbeef79000 ,

The plan? Ukraine surrenders unconditional and in totality.

TheBigBrother ,

Yeah the plan it’s fuck Ukraine like it should be…

Moonrise2473 ,

Like the far right in my country before the elections “We have the solution to fix the economy, vote for us” - without of course saying what they’re going to do.

Unfortunately, majority of people believed them

Populism works, people like to vote for someone that says what they want to listen even if it’s obvious that they’re not going to do that

jj4211 ,

Generally their playbook is open, it just doesn’t work. Their strategy is to let rich people do whatever they want and hoard as much wealth as they can, and that prosperity obviously will trickle down to everyone.

However when taxes are relatively higher on the rich and regulations do things like punish them for poisoning a water source, they spend their resources gaslighting the populace into thinking economy is just terrible and if your personal experience does not bear that out, well your just lucky and you’ll be out on the streets in a few months unless you vote right.

Tronn4 ,

It’s sucking putins dick and giving him the land already stolen from Ukraine

intensely_human ,

What is it with progressives and homoerotic shaming?

PP_BOY_ ,
@PP_BOY_@lemmy.world avatar

The Ukraine War would end within a week without US support. It would take a Trump admin doing literally nothing for the war to end. That’s his plan. To do nothing.

Slotos ,

Occupying a country that size doesn’t take a mere week. So no, it won’t.

RunawayFixer ,

USA aid is very important to Ukraine, but even without it they would continue fighting. Ukraine has been without USA material aid for months already in the past, when the republican party was blocking it. And as it turned out, Ukraine sustained higher casualties and had less offensive power than with USA aid, but they were never close to folding.

Ukrainians + their supporting neighbours are very motivated to not be occupied by Russia, so they’re not going to just give up if Putin’s stooges come to power in the USA.

Barbarian ,
@Barbarian@sh.itjust.works avatar

There’s also the fact that a hypothetical end to US aid wouldn’t end EU aid. It’s definitely not on the same scale as the US due to our much smaller military sector, but that’d likely change in the event of a US shut-down of aid.

In my mind, the most likely results would be:

Short-term: Very dangerous period for Ukraine, they lose some ground, lots of men (similar to the last time they had a crippling artillery shell shortage).

Medium-term: EU military sector slowly ramps up to meet demand, as about 3/4 of central & eastern EU considers this an existential war that cannot be lost at any cost.

Long-term: After the war is over (however many more years that takes), Russia finally negotiates some kind of ceasefire where they can save some face internally and brag about how they “Denazified” Ukraine while going home and accomplishing nothing, EU is much more self-sufficient and therefore buys less from the US, and they aren’t seen as a trust-worthy ally militarily anymore. Even if on paper most EU members are still in NATO, they consider the security guarantees of the EU as much more important and serious.

Kaput ,

Heck, Trump declared Canada, a strategic risk during his s presidency. Just to stop steel imports. No one can consider the USA a reliable ally as long as Maga is around.

Valmond ,

Crippling russian economy might lead to yo a coup, putins death or just his health declining can also lead to instability which can lead to a coup too etc. A soft coup some years down the line for example.

Sludgehammer ,
@Sludgehammer@lemmy.world avatar

I’m guessing Trump’s plan to end the war is “Back Russia and help Putin crush Ukraine.” Because (much like Trump’s own sycophants) he doesn’t realize that he’ll the first under the bus when his master no longer needs him.

NoSuchAgency ,

Why, so Biden can do it and take the credit?

pikmeir ,

I, too, love when I get to prevent an entire country from invasion by an evil force, but only when I get to take credit for it. Someone else stealing my idea for peace is just as bad as someone else stealing a joke I said first, if not worse.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

You’re talking to someone who agreed with SCOTUS’ decision allowing Trump to commit crimes, just so you know where they’re coming from.

jj4211 ,

Funny thing is that’s how Trump thinks, but not ironically.

nmhforlife ,

Iran Contra anyone?

BrokenGlepnir ,

We had this conversation in 2016 about beating isis in 30 days. Turned out he lied about the plan. Besides if biden had to follow trumps plan that would mean that it was trumps plan right? It would be a better argument for trump to get into office. It would mean that biden has to do what trump says to get things done.

The truth is, Trump is lying about having a plan like in 2016. I didn’t fall for it then. I won’t fall for it now. If you’re falling for it again, it’s pathetic.

Nasan ,

It’s really telling that they care more about clout than actually doing the things that might make the world a little less shitty. Shameless fraudsters can’t be bothered to do anything useful unless there’s a material reward in it for them.

NoSuchAgency ,

Trump did what he said he was going to do, Biden can’t even remember what he said he was going to do. Anyone who thinks Biden should be running things in the US is just living in denial at this point

BrokenGlepnir ,

Weird. He said isis wouldn’t exist 30 days into his presidency almost 8 years ago. Isis still exist. Anyone who says Trump did what he said he was going to do is delusional.

NoSuchAgency ,

Today’s Isis is not the same Isis as before

Syntha ,

Ukraine is cooked, with a divided France and a Trump presidency it’s all but over.

Atin ,

Trump will throw Ukraine under the bus.

Hobbes_Dent ,

Absofuckinglutely.

PythagreousTitties ,

Lol seriously. Doesn’t anyone remember why he was impeached? Come on.

Lost_My_Mind , (edited )

Which time?

Edit: oh dammit. I now see someone else already made this joke. Ok, to make it up to you, I’ll tell a different joke.

So a woman in her Chicago high rise apartment was beating a rug with a broom on her balcony. Suddenly a big burst of wind blew her over the railing.

Now she’s falling from the 30th floor.

A man on the 25th floor sees this, catches her, and says “Wow, it must be my lucky day! A beautiful woman falls out of the sky and into my arms! Tell me young miss, do you suck dick?”

Outraged by this she screams “NO I DON’T SUCK DICK!!!”

So he drops her.

A man on the 20th floor sees her falling, and catches her. He says: Wow, it must be my lucky day! A beautiful woman falls out of the sky and into my arms! Tell me young miss, would you be willing to fuck me?"

Insulted by the idea she screams “NO I DON’T FUCK STRANGERS!!!”

So he drops her.

As she’s falling, she realizes she’s going to die, and in her final moments she prays. “Please god, just let ONE more person catch me! I promise to do any revolting thing they ask!”

And on the 15th floor, a woman catches her. Before her rescuer can say a word, the woman screams “I SUCK! I FUCK! I’LL DO ANYTHING YOU WANT!!!”

Revolted by this, the woman holding her says “Slut!”

And drops her.

PunnyName ,

Heh

kmartburrito ,

His plan will be to “give Putin everything he wants”

And then he’ll be like “aren’t I the greatest negotiator?!?”

ChickenLadyLovesLife ,

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