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autotldr Bot ,

This is the best summary I could come up with:

After beginning to roll out a healthy nudge to turn off ad blockers or subscribe to the platform’s ad-free Premium offering, YouTube is now forcing users’ hands.

As users continue to trawl the depths of YouTube, they will now be greeted with a pop-up warning them to disable their ad blocker saying “video playback is blocked unless YouTube is allowlisted or the ad blocker is disabled.” This notification began popping up for users across the platform earlier this month, but it was as simple as shrugging it off by closing out the message.

Shortly thereafter, YouTube forced users to acknowledge the message but still allowed them to exit out of it after a brief timer elapsed.

YouTube communications manager Christopher Lawton told The Verge Tuesday that using an ad blocker is actually against the platform’s terms of service.

He also told the outlet that “ads support a diverse ecosystem of creators globally and allow billions to access their favorite content on YouTube.”

Around the same time, the company reported its third straight quarterly decline in ad revenue, according to The Wall Street Journal.

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Somecall_metim ,

Switched to Freetube and convinced my dad too as well. No ads, no algorithms, no shit yt search that never works. We’re chilling.

BombOmOm ,
@BombOmOm@lemmy.world avatar

Currently without issue using Firefox and uBlock Origin. No complaints from YouTube nor ads.

uwe ,

It’s being rolled out in waves. Seems like you haven’t been hit yet.

SmoothIsFast ,

No as ublock has stated you are using other extensions that are tripping detection, ffs 😑

Telodzrum ,

No, not at all correct. uBlock has stated publicly, on multiple channels, that YT is updating its detection script several times a day while they are racing to patch in a fix.

whileloop ,
@whileloop@lemmy.world avatar

Nope, that’s not what uBlock is saying. YouTube rolls out new adblock detection several times a day. uBlock can’t stop it instantly, it takes time for the devs to adjust their code. So for a few hours, YouTube’s detection works. If you haven’t been caught yet, then it means you’ve been lucky to get the rollout after uBlock already had a fix. Some of us aren’t that lucky. Last week, I got an early rollout several hours before uBlock had a patch. Turned off all my extensions, used default uBlock settings, all their suggestions, had no effect. A few hours later, uBlock had a fix and I didn’t see YouTube’s block anymore.

Grenfur ,

I had been using Ghostery Dawn for ages. Got the pop-ups. Couldn’t get around them. Switched to just firefox with ublock, no more ads. Can confirm it does work.

Kusimulkku ,

I’ve been hearing that for a while

dual_sport_dork ,
@dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

I’m certain that by “users” what they really mean is “people still using Chrome.”

Sludgehammer ,
@Sludgehammer@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve been having intermittent problems while using Firefox. Of course, all I need to do is clear the Ublock’s filters and re-load them.

Oddly, my brother who uses the same ad-blocker as me and Chrome hasn’t gotten a anti-AdBlock nag screen for months. No idea why.

Traister101 ,

That’s the majority of people?? Looks like the most recent number is 64% of people with 20% on Safari and the remaining ~17% split among the rest with Firefox (3%) not even beating Edge (5%)

QueriesQueried ,

Honestly the process to get ublock origin working is identical between the two of them, so being a chrome user doesn’t really make it any harder. Obviously still a better idea to switch, but for that specific problem, its the same.

JoShmoe ,

uBlock Origin is from chromium

brown567 ,

Firefox also has it

RojoSanIchiban ,

uBlock Origin is very much available for Firefox.

JoShmoe ,

It was first released in June 2014 as a chrome and opera extension. That’s what I meant. However I did say chromium which would be technically incorrect.

Maalus ,

Your original post is absolute nonsense and reads like someone correcting / saying it doesn’t exist in Firefox at all.

Op said “I use firefox with uBlock” and you went “ublock is from chromium” - which in the context you explained above is totally useless to the discussion - who cares where it is from?

RojoSanIchiban ,

I was having issues requiring cache dump/updates daily both on a Windows 10 machine with FF/UO and on an ipad with Brave and Orion (which can use UO) including total cookie wipes. Win 11 machines never blinked.

The last couple days or so, I’ve not seen the block message anywhere. Fun stuff.

jsdz ,

Unless you’re doing something unusual, it’s probably because you’re browsing youtube without being logged in.

tony ,

Same here, chrome and ublock origin… did nothing special at all, never seen any of these popups.

I assume it’s a slow rollout and we’ve both been lucky.

nutsack ,

it’s a matter of time don’t worry

STUPIDVIPGUY ,

if it does happen, just use freetube

nutsack ,

it’s a matter of time for that one too

JackFrostNCola ,

I had to use element picker mode to select the popup to make it go away, but now i have two issues:

  1. I cant scroll down after a second of the page loading.
  2. Autoplay does not work on playlists
Gekoloniseerd ,

I’ve just installed Yattee for IOS. It works great. There was a post for this a day ago? Also for other platforms. Fuck YouTube.

Zerlyna ,
@Zerlyna@lemmy.world avatar

Maybe I didn’t do it right. Nothing loads. Do I need to copy and paste each YT link to see something?

Gekoloniseerd , (edited )

r.yattee.stream/manifest-invidious-piped.json

Settings——> locations manifest and add the above link. Restart the app and you are good to go.

** apps.apple.com/us/app/yattee/id1595136629/) with this guide- (Adding Piped/Invidious website to Homescreen)

Original part of og post.

Zerlyna ,
@Zerlyna@lemmy.world avatar

Thanks your link worked. This is awesome!

Docus ,

Works for me if set to US location, does not work for some others i tried

netchami ,

Some solutions:

snipvoid ,

Vinegar on iOS is also still working perfectly

RojoSanIchiban ,

Nice, this is one of the primary reasons I haven’t used Safari in my Apple noobness, relying on Brave and another browser for YT ad blocking. Going to give this a try too.

thatsthespirit ,

Can’t say that’s it’s been working perfectly both on my iPhone and on my iPad, but it’s certainly helped a lot.

wreckedcarzz ,
@wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world avatar

Grayjay gang :D

netchami ,

I don’t actually use it, I tried it out but I still prefer LibreTube. Just included it because it might be useful for others.

wreckedcarzz ,
@wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world avatar

I switched to it from NewPipe w SponsorBlock (fork) when it went public for testing. For a prerelease it does everything I need, except SB functionality. Hoping that is in the pipeline.

chris_hayes ,
@chris_hayes@lemmy.ml avatar

Subscription feed works for you? When I imported my subs it said the subscription feed is disabled to due to issues with YouTube API limits. Getting nebula in my home feed is nice though. Mostly still on NP+SB in the meantime.

wreckedcarzz ,
@wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world avatar

It does, yep - I just opened it and it already had a video posted just 11 minutes ago. There have been a couple bugs I’ve found and reported but it’s all small, out-of-the-way stuff. I have around 65 yt channels I follow.

Waluigis_Talking_Buttplug ,

ReVanced still and option for Android, though I have to recommend NewPipe and sponsor block

vladmech ,

Going to try Yattee tonight, thank you!

noodlejetski ,

when following the guide for Yattee, does it serve as a drop-in replacement for the Youtube app, i.e. does it open Youtube links from other apps and everything? I don’t use iOS, but I’d like to know how viable it would be as a recommendations for my friend who do.

netchami ,

I don’t use iOS anymore and I don’t exactly remember how Yattee behaves. Just recommend them to try it out, they can always look for another solution if this doesn’t work.

squirrelwithnut ,

I’ve already switched to Freetube on my PC, and New.piped on my phone.

NigelFrobisher ,

Looks like YouTube is the next tower to fall.

Staiden ,

If they really stop people from watching it will just force people to straight up pirate their content.

They won’t ever win this battle.

Gabu ,

Youtube fell a long time ago. It’s in ruins as we speak.

LittleTransPunk ,
@LittleTransPunk@lemmy.world avatar

uBlock Element zapper has been working for me just fine

gregorum ,

Using AdGuard on macOS and iOS. Works fine

zkfcfbzr ,

μBlock Origin works for me still (Firefox), but I had to remove my custom filter to remove Shorts from the Subscription page - seems like they can detect it if I have any YT-specific rules.

I’ve got FreeTube set up as a backup in case μBlock does ever fail - but its lack of tabs really make me not want to use it as my primary access yet. I think they could benefit a lot from creating a browser-based UI, kind of like what Plex has.

Strayce ,

I give it a year, tops, before they start serving ads in premium too.

Bongles ,

But that’s the only benefit of premium (on YouTube itself). I guess there are still YouTube originals but that kind of died as far as I can tell.

Strayce ,

Yes. And? You think they care? Premium isn’t there to benefit you, it’s there to benefit Google. As soon as the money stops coming in, they’ll look for other ways to squeeze it. We’re already seeing it with streaming providers shoehorning ads into their paid services. It’s not that much of a stretch.

hypertown ,

The only benefit now, but what if they start to serve 30 non-skippable ads without premium and ONLY 5 with premium, what a deal! Right? If you hate ads you can just buy higher tier for ONLY $5 more.

Let’s just keep fingers crossed for ublock…

zcd ,

Fuck YouTube

barbecue_sprinkler ,

YouTube had a good humble beginning before monetization fucked everything up. It was a bad idea to begin with. For now, best stick with piped and all the apps that use piped as backend. NewPipe and LibreTube. Want to support a creator? Go buy merch or something. Dont give Google a second of your time.

TexMexBazooka ,

I mean it’s a fine idea it’s just been capitalismed to death

CalcProgrammer1 ,
@CalcProgrammer1@lemmy.ml avatar

I read this as monetization being the bad idea, and that is basically the same thing as being capitalismed to death.

TexMexBazooka ,

So the amount of up front investment required for something on an infrastructure level is massive. It’s the type of thing that really needs to be centralized, because it isn’t just storage. It’s massive amounts of bandwidth, a distributed content distribution network close to your end users(which is even harder on a global scale).

Don’t get me wrong I don’t think the purely profit driven nature of YouTube is healthy at all. It’s an active detriment. But it’s hard to think of another practical way that isn’t hellaciously expensive.

shortwavesurfer ,

Introducing… PeerTube. Bandwidth is not a problem because if a video gets popular people will be watching it and therefore sharing it to their peers Infrastructure costs don’t matter because channels would be on small instances That would not cost much to run, etc. A single company need not pay millions of dollars to host something like this when each individual who wants to be a content creator can put up a few dollars a month like maybe four or five and do it. That way the cost is distributed and not a burden on one entity.

Dark_Arc ,
@Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg avatar

The issue with PeerTube, is monetization.

You need to be able to tell anchors that draw people in and make their living from YouTube like LinusTechTips, Phillip DeFranco, and MrBeast why PeerTube is the platform for them… and losing all the money YouTube gives them is a big problem in any argument (as much as they might not like some of YouTube’s policies themselves).

Also, storage costs are going to explode if PeerTube gets popular and maintains the “anyone can upload in 4k” that YouTube allows. Linus did a video about how expensive 4k video is compared to the 1080p videos that have been dominate in the platform for most of the platform’s life, and how that increased cost has contributed to discussions of changes (at the time) which have evidently manifested as adblocking and promoting premium (speculatively, this is in part because Google feels regulars are going to hurt its advertising business badly and they need to get subscribers that could keep the platform afloat – going back to “old models” before the Google advertising money machine made the Internet “free”).

Shard ,

I totally get that they had to find some way to financially support the massive infrastructure that was necessary to do what YouTube does.

I was fine with an ad every now and then.

I was fine with an ad at the start and end of a long video.

Ads on a 30s video? Ads on an Ad? Multiple ads at the start, multiple ads in-between and at the end? Jesus h. Christ. Removing the dislike button?

That was when I switched to ReVanced.

burtek ,
@burtek@programming.dev avatar

Wasn’t YouTube unrelated to Google at first?

Dark_Arc ,
@Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg avatar

Yes, they bought it (in 2006). However, it wasn’t what it is today, and IIRC it was “in the red” (losing money). It was in the red for years after Google bought it as well. There’s not a lot of good information on this unfortunately with regard to the current state. The last update we had was in 2015 that YouTube wasn’t making money wsj.com/…/viewers-dont-add-up-to-profit-for-youtu…

That’s 9 years of operating at a loss, and probably the 9 years people think of most fondly… We were getting the service at a loss to Google.

popemichael ,
@popemichael@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

It wouldn’t shock me if they removed ublock origin from the chrome store

Gabu ,

Just use Firefox. It’s better as a browser, anyway.

V0lD , (edited )

I will when they finally fix dragging tabs between windows

Edit: I’m not saying the operation isn’t functional, I’m saying it lacks certain small visual feedback aspects like popping a tab out into a new window while dragging. This in and of itself isn’t breaking, but Firefox had a lot of rough edges like that every time I used it, and I’m using this specific one as a benchmark to judge if I should give the browser a shot again

Trail ,

Huh, what is the issue? Been working fine for me for years.

Moderationslog ,

Classic layer 8 problem

lemann ,

PEBCAK baby!

V0lD ,

Popping out a tab doesn’t turn it into a draggable window, but just into cursor basic cursor held object. This gives no visual feedback on what is actually happening and makes the whole operation much less visually clear

It’s a small thing, but in the times I tried Firefox, I noticed a lot of these rough edges to the point that it became frustrating to use. I’m using this specific one as a benchmark for when I’m willing to give it a shot again

SkyeStarfall ,

It never bothered me. You can just stop dragging anywhere and it will turn into a window.

TexMexBazooka ,

Could you find a smaller potato?

V0lD ,

Is that a typo, or a saying I’m not familiar with?

TexMexBazooka , (edited )

It’s a small potatoes means that’s it’s extremely inexpensive and misses the big bag of perfectly good, if not above average potatoes

V0lD ,

Thank you

TexMexBazooka ,

You’re welcome 😊

Uniquitous ,

Fuck’s sake, what a stupid thing to get hung up over.

V0lD ,

You’re all getting quite hung up about someone voicing that they’re not ready to switch to your preferred browser tbh

Like, it’s not that you are negatively affected by me having UX preferences

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    jackalope ,

    You’ll get more flies with honey than vinegar.

    Foss advocates showing once again how bad they are at persuading people.

    V0lD ,

    Correct. That is why I am not switching

    Besides, the EU is shown time and time again that it will protect its citizens if the megacorps overstep their boundaries, so the claim that chrome holds too much power is bs

    dasgoat ,

    I do that all the time with ff?

    auf ,
    @auf@lemmy.ml avatar

    Privacy >>> UI

    V0lD ,

    To some extend, yes. But convenience and workflow trumps both.for example, I moved to DuckDuckGo a while back. Not because of privacy, but because Google kept removing customisation options, and it’s search results where getting worse and worse.

    Filthmontane ,

    You seem more stubborn than smart.

    V0lD ,

    It does give a weird form of comfort to see Lemmy become more like Reddit every day

    Kedly ,

    I resemble this statement!

    Kedly ,

    I mean, no ads on youtube is HELLA more convenient than ads on youtube

    V0lD ,

    I agree

    I’m using chrome, sponsorblock and adblock+. Google hasn’t told me to turn it off yet.

    Maybe it’s because I’m in the EU?

    If it starts becoming a problem, I intend to look into writing a pull request to fix the firefox UX issues

    Kedly ,

    Fair enough! In that case I also wouldn’t be pressured to jump ship, in fact the only reason I jumped back to firefox in the first place was because chrome couldnt handle the amount of tabs I had and they started crashing

    praise_idleness ,

    I’d rather have messy Mac and cheese than pretty pile of shit please.

    systemglitch ,

    Strangely nit-picky. The reason this matters to you is because you are used to it. It’s so small an aspect of the browser though that you would forget about it quickly. Imo of course. I never even noticed this when I changed and I use the function many times a day.

    V0lD ,

    Correct, it matters to me

    So, as long as Firefox doesn’t really offer something that in my opinion outways all it’s UX issues, I am not inclined to switch

    Looking at my score, appearantly that is offensive though

    systemglitch ,

    Apparently lol, can’t be different!

    Arthur_Leywin ,

    Try Floorp?

    jackalope ,

    I switched back to ff in 2018 but then switched back to chrome after it deleted my bookmarks sporadically for the 5th time. I’ve logged bugs about it too.

    CurlyMoustache ,
    @CurlyMoustache@lemmy.world avatar

    Cool story

    dependencyinjection ,

    Im using Yattee on iOS with no issue. From the damn App Store, don’t think they’re cracking down very well.

    adam_b ,

    That’s because they’re targeting Desktop users only, I think and I hate to say it, we’ll inevitably face 3 choices in the future

    A. Watch YT with all it’s ads B. Quit using YT C. Pay for premium

    All these awesome privacy frontends that we use will be killed, just like Libreddit & Teddit, and ads on YT will be unbearable, long, repetitive, that even non techies will start thinking of ways to avoid them…

    The only effective solution I see, is that content creators have the balls to selfhost their content using Peertube, or migrate to Rumble or odysee…

    Many content creators like LTT straight out refused to offer another way to view their content, there is no reason why anyone wouldn’t want to Sync their content to other platform, unless they care that much about that ad revenue, which shows they support this business model

    sorry about the grammar, slept for 2 hours…

    jimothy ,

    It’s all about how many people these platforms have to convince them to stop using youtube I guess…

    null ,

    Libreddit was killed? How am I still using it?

    adam_b ,

    From their Github

    ⚠️Why do I get TOO MANY REQUESTS errors? ⚠️ As of July 12th, 2023, Libreddit is currently not operational as Reddit’s API changes, that were designed to kill third-party apps and content scrapers who don’t pay large fees, went into effect. Read the full announcement here. One of the project maintainers is working towards keeping this project alive to some extent:

    Some instances might still be operational, but limited…

    I deleted my Reddit accounts, once Infinity stopped working, and I open reddit links in Tor ( same with Tiktok and others ), they’re not gonna have it their way

    null ,

    Hmm, well my personal instance works fine and has for months, no limitations that I’ve encountered. Guess I’m just lucky

    adam_b ,

    Yea you’re, I tried some instances they work for a while and then they give that message : too many requests

    what happened to Reddit is just disgusting, they broke the law and they’re roaming free…

    null ,

    I wonder if it impacts public instances because it’s rate-limiting the requests, where it’s just me on my private instance so it’s not hitting the limit.

    If so then it’s pretty easy to spin one up in docker and get around the issue.

    Of course leaving reddit entirely is always better.

    Also I’m not tuned in – what laws did they break?

    adam_b ,

    Maybe, but I don’t wanna try anymore, you could patch Infinity with Revanced patches and keep using it too, but I dont wanna do that either…

    Of course leaving reddit entirely is always better.

    Yeah, I gave up…

    what laws did they break?

    I think it’s called CCPA ( a US data law ), Reddit violated that law, when they restored users’ content, im guessing this law guarantees the right to be erased… ( US data laws sound good on paper, but they never work in reality 😂 )

    Also they can’t just go to their terms of service and change stuff based on the situation, they even tried to stretch the meaning of some clauses in their TOS just so they can cover it up, it’s all in r/announcements, just scroll back to June 2023

    JoeBigelow ,
    @JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca avatar

    LTT is happy to let you pay for their mediocre content plus mediocre extra behind the scenes special boi crap on Floatplane

    adam_b ,

    They charge for FP ??! So these people on the podcast are paying to comment ! I didn’t know that…

    hmmm, that’s fine I’m not against content creators creating ways to monetize, I’m against supporting the ad business model and gaslighting people into believing “it’s working”…

    As for the content quality, I only watch LTT to see what crazy ideas and experiments they come up with, I never learned anything tho, because they don’t show you how they did it, Linus just says we’re going to build a server, and boom, it’s already done… ( they do it off camera ), I mean like details, installing the distro, and how to navigate it… Etc ( his team does it for him )

    Karyoplasma ,

    You are looking for niche content. The last place to search for that would be a big YT channel since their videos are tailored for the general audience. I don’t know what you expected lol

    adam_b ,

    Well, don’t you think skipping major steps ( mind you ) renders the entire process irreproducible, or prone to error and failure ?

    I don’t know what you expected lol

    a Blog post would be appreciated, say : hey we skipped this ( very technical and confusing ) step, here’s the boring blog, enjoy…

    I’m just saying, their content is mostly entertaining, not educational, that’s how I find it personally.

    zingo ,

    Freetube for the win. Built in sponsor block.

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