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Lucidlethargy ,

“People who fecklessly farm other people’s data upset at other companies are farming their data.”

mightyfoolish ,

I stopped appending reddit to my search terms. I won’t go back to Google search; especially after the GamersNexus video featuring Wendell from Level1 Techs.

gwen ,

what search engine do you use?

tgxn ,
@tgxn@lemmy.tgxn.net avatar

DDG

braindefragger ,

Member when the web was starting out? We had dreams and ideas. Standards being written. Concepts about how to build out the web for maximum efficiency of sharing information. It was frowned upon to not include source. Low effort screenshots didn’t cut it. Best practices were always available and encouraged.

I’m sure many of us remember those forks in the road as the web progressed. It was so clear when corporations starting having “ideas” where it was going to lead if we didn’t stand up for the “correct” way to internet.

And now here we are. Ugh.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/41f2a6f0-4696-4c5c-835c-8c1819b7f7f6.gif

snooggums ,
@snooggums@midwest.social avatar

When the internet was new I thought that the spread of knowleege would raise up people’s awareness of things they had not been exposed to under the false assumption that the vast majority of people where reasonable, but uninformed.

Nope, I was wrong. At best a slight majority are reasonable with varying levels of ignorance and the rest are willfully ignorant.

Quill7513 , (edited )

Internet is just a new form of mass media to control the minds of people who aren’t paying attention

EDIT; Christ, I shouldn’t have had to say this, but obviously not the only thing. I just mean for mass media manipulation its no different than radio or movies. The usage of radio and the distribution of film is still a good thing when done positively. I shouldn’t have to spell shit all the way out like this

Crismus ,

In the early years, I learned a lot of new things. The late 90’s had so much hope for the web and learning new things. I remember falling I to rabbit holes a lot more often back then because it wasn’t about video essays and persuasive videos.

I miss all of those old text based chatting and the friends I made on Yahoo local chat rooms. Somedays I wish the social media sites run by algorithms didn’t surpass those old forums and chat rooms.

Boozilla ,
@Boozilla@lemmy.world avatar

I remember. Now it’s mostly walled gardens everywhere. Capitalism fucked us again.

boonhet ,

I don’t remember when it was starting out but I do remember the forums of the 00s as well as the overall online culture of the time. The fediverse is the closest I’ve gotten to feeling that again but obviously nothing will ever feel like that again because I’m an adult and all the sense of wonder is gone from the online world for me.

At least here, we’re not on a platform owned by corporations.

rottingleaf ,

I just started hearing about some Facebook at some point, and then some (it’s Russia) Odnoklassniki and Vkontakte and a few other spaces.

These seemed to be the sites which lamers use to feel themselves relevant with that Internet thing. Leprosoria of the Web. Places where I wouldn’t go, even if I would sometimes go to porn sites, especially when depressed.

Normal people would use LiveJournal and move from ICQ to XMPP and Skype. Skype voice calls (back then they were better with countryside radio link than now with GPON) were a miracle, so me and everybody around me moved to Skype.

Then there was a moment when the Web suddenly died and everyone was on those social networks.

I actually blame LJ and Skype. Technically these worked fine, but they were a gateway drug.

LJ made it easy to have something like a personal webpage, only it wasn’t personal, it was in LJ. ICQ lost popularity when it fought alternative clients, there were no alternative clients for Skype at all and everybody got used to service providers dictating how people should use their service, imposing their client software.

It’s still terrifying how that ICQ run was the last such run in modern Internet’s history. A company fucked around and found out. Nothing like that has happened since. That’s my canary.

Chozo ,

Remember when Reddit was pro net neutrality?

conciselyverbose ,

"Without these agreements, we don’t have any say or knowledge of how our data is displayed and what it’s used for, which has put us in a position now of blocking folks who haven’t been willing to come to terms with how we’d like our data to be used or not used,” Huffman said in an interview this week

It’s not your data.

Fuck off.

lmaydev ,

I mean it literally is. People post it there voluntarily knowing that. It’s what keeps the lights on.

homesweethomeMrL ,

You see what happens, Larry?

deranger ,

You see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?!

Grimy ,

Yup keeps the lights on and makes sure Spez gets his yearly 200 million bonus. It’s good that they are tightening the screw because 200 million is clearly not enough, he deserves double that at least.

admin ,
@admin@lemmy.my-box.dev avatar

“yearly”?

nightwatch_admin ,

Yes, but that’s just the tip

bobs_monkey ,

I think I read somewhere that his base salary is somewhere around $550k, so that would make him all head and no shaft. Probably carries two raisins in his pocket.

tabular ,
@tabular@lemmy.world avatar

People post it there voluntarily knowing that

Press x to doubt.

tux0r ,
@tux0r@feddit.org avatar

F

cygnus , (edited )
@cygnus@lemmy.ca avatar

Sort of, but not really. From the Reddit ToS (emphasis mine). Basically, you own your content but allow Reddit to use it however they want without crediting you. Only a corporate lawyer would call that arrangement “ownership”, but I digress…

By submitting Your Content to the Services, you represent and warrant that you have all rights, power, and authority necessary to grant the rights to Your Content contained within these Terms. Because you alone are responsible for Your Content, you may expose yourself to liability if you post or share Content without all necessary rights.

You retain any ownership rights you have in Your Content, but you grant Reddit the following license to use that Content:

When Your Content is created with or submitted to the Services, you grant us a worldwide, royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive, transferable, and sublicensable license to use, copy, modify, adapt, prepare derivative works of, distribute, store, perform, and display Your Content and any name, username, voice, or likeness provided in connection with Your Content in all media formats and channels now known or later developed anywhere in the world. This license includes the right for us to make Your Content available for syndication, broadcast, distribution, or publication by other companies, organizations, or individuals who partner with Reddit. You also agree that we may remove metadata associated with Your Content, and you irrevocably waive any claims and assertions of moral rights or attribution with respect to Your Content.

chakan2 ,
@chakan2@lemmy.world avatar

Lol…really? So the can reuse, modify, and remove all association with your content, but somehow you think you still own it?

I’ve got a bridge to sell you.

cygnus ,
@cygnus@lemmy.ca avatar

In essence, it means that you reserve the right to also use the content for your own purposes, without Reddit having any recourse to preventing you from doing that.

chakan2 ,
@chakan2@lemmy.world avatar

Except they published your work, all variants of said work, and completely eliminated you as the author of said work.

I don’t know how else to explain to you that you don’t own that work anymore. You have rights to it. But you don’t own it.

bionicjoey ,

Beyond that, if you are serving webpages with data on them, you don’t get to decide what people do with those pages. They can’t stop search engines from scraping

bassomitron ,

Just to nitpick, they can stop scraping, anyone can. However, doing so would require implementing barriers that tend to also negatively effect sites that are dependent on being discovered and browsed.

ReallyActuallyFrankenstein ,

It’s actually a fascinating bind Steve/Reddit has put themselves in. Because it is a non-exclusive license, you can affirmatively declare your content is free for anyone to scrape or use.

After that, if Reddit ever asserts rights over your content by, say, suing Microsoft for improperly using your content in training data, you now have a legal claim against Reddit for interference with either your ownership rights or with a contract via whatever license you have made your content available under.

Now, maybe Reddit has a claim release in their TOS, but it wouldn’t prevent you from getting an injunction enjoining Reddit from restricting your data from being used by Microsoft.

It’s kind of academic, because… it’s not really a victory that Microsoft is also training its AI on your data. But, hey, they’re probably doing it anyway and at least this way we get to screw over Huffman for being an ass.

cygnus ,
@cygnus@lemmy.ca avatar

MS couldn’t access that content without scraping the page itself, though, which of course belongs to Reddit. From a legal standpoint, it’s like a paywall.

Bookmeat ,

The only issue I see with this is that it can be argued that this license doesn’t grant third parties access to data on Reddit’s platform.

Bookmeat ,

It’s right there in the ToS: NON-EXCLUSIVE license. If they go to court, I would guess they lose.

conciselyverbose ,

It literally isn’t. Even their shitty EULA only claims a license to use it, not that it’s their data.

And approximately 100% of the data on their servers was created while it was accessible to literally anyone who wanted it without restriction through a free API. Virtually none of the content was ever intended to be kept from fucking search engines so it could be sold for AI.

helpImTrappedOnline ,

They are not responsible for what people post, nor do they pay anyone to post, therefore I do not see how they can claim the data as “theirs”.

They have their own self-regualted rules, but ultimately most anything is fair game for reddit to point at the user and say “we take no responsibility for what an individual may post on this public form”.

The only thing they will have a problem with is CSAM, but even then as long the volunteer mods remain effective at removing it, reddit will not be responsible for anything users post.

TrickDacy ,

Gotta love corpo fellatio

Gsus4 ,

My only regret was not deleting all my comments before deleting my reddit account :P

YtA4QCam2A9j7EfTgHrH ,

I did delete it all and I’m very happy about it.

FenrirIII ,
@FenrirIII@lemmy.world avatar

Same. 13+ years of insanity and grouchy comments are gonna mess up the AIs

Gsus4 ,

silver lining 😁

Transporter_Room_3 ,
@Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website avatar

Same, plus or minus a year.

It took me a week, but I scrambled every comment and post with lorem ipsum and bee movie scripts, deleted the comments, then after verifying I could no longer find any of my original content on any search engine outside archive sites, I deleted the account.

It took so long because r*ddit started limiting API access when they realized people were automating their profile scrubbing.

As I’ve said before about certain countries, if you’re doing everything you can to prevent people from leaving [THING/PLACE] then you might just be shit.

FenrirIII ,
@FenrirIII@lemmy.world avatar

I was straight IP banned permanently for reporting the Israeli genocide fans and racists arguing for the eradication of Palestinians. I just deleted the account because I never imagined they would turn into such shitheels.

elephantium ,
@elephantium@lemmy.world avatar

Don’t regret too much. I wouldn’t be surprised if reddit’s “delete” function was really just "move to the “suckers-wanted-to-delete-this” file.

Quill7513 ,

If you delete your content do it in the form form of a GDPR takedown request

CileTheSane ,
@CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

I “deleted” all my posts, then randomly had someone reply to a 3 year old post that wasn’t showing up in my profile but still showed on the page.

Don’t delete your comments, edit them to be useless.

cyberpunk007 ,

Part of the ToS. Whatever you put on there is effectively theirs. Same with Facebook and your photos etc.

aidan ,

Scraping isn’t illegal, they can’t do anything

Vipsu ,
@Vipsu@lemmy.world avatar

Well Reddit should just sue these companies and see if these companies are actually breaking any laws. Holding sizeable chunk of the internet hostage also sounds like something the EU and US might want to look in to as it very much sounds like anti-competitive conduct or market manipulation.

Also if these companies want to have greater ownership over the content generated by their users they should also be much more liable for the content posted to their sites. I mean when something like the Section 230 was written they probably did not take this in to account. If these companies want to start selling user generated content then they should simply lose the immunity from liability.

Pika ,
@Pika@sh.itjust.works avatar

then don’t block it \0/ they’ll get in anyway and all they are doing is harming their user base with all the restrictions. I unblocked reddit for the hell of it the other day and it looks like I don’t need to block it anymore, they think my home network is a VPN so they did me a favor and did the footwork for me.

aquinteros ,

fuck spez little piggy greedy soy boy

Zak ,
@Zak@lemmy.world avatar

On one hand, that’s a shitty, greedy move from Reddit. All of the data, and value is provided by the users.

On the other hand, Microsoft does want to feed it into OpenAI and present it on a Bing search engine result page rather than sending the visitor to Reddit where they might join a community (or view an ad or ten).

ryper ,

The article says OpenAI made a deal with Reddit, so blocking Microsoft isn’t going to keep Reddit’s data from getting fed to OpenAI

hotpot8toe OP ,

“It has been a real pain in the ass to block these companies.” makes me regret ever using Reddit in my life. Get your profit whatever, but this is just beyond greed.

tabular ,
@tabular@lemmy.world avatar

I deleted my account but that was before I learnt you could replace all your posts with random sentences.

OpenStars ,
@OpenStars@discuss.online avatar

Maybe check, b/c there’s a chance that they may have undeleted it all now by now, so there’s a possibility that you could still do it?

Bookmeat ,

You don’t want random because that’s easy to detect. You want to fuck up the ML so you need to be more subtle like scrambling a few words or replacing certain nouns or logical connections in ways that are hard to differentiate from regular edits.

Steve ,

Fuck U/spez

nobleshift ,
@nobleshift@lemmy.world avatar

Down voted for post about that other site

piefedderatedd ,

https://reddthat.com/pictrs/image/3dc531d4-b5f3-4b45-9c1f-8390698bdba4.jpeg

tux0r , (edited )
@tux0r@feddit.org avatar

… who, ironically, co-founded reddit and wrote its first second version.

db2 ,

Probably got turned in by Steve too.

fishos ,
@fishos@lemmy.world avatar

If this gains any traction, I hope every news site, blog, etc sues Reddit for profiting off their material that fills the entire site. The comment section wouldn’t exist if there wasn’t something to comment on in the first place. Digg and Reddit didn’t even have comments at first. It was ALL content from other sources. Even “reddit original content” is" original content from a creator posted to Reddit". Reddits “value” is ephemeral.

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