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Outsourcing emotion: The horror of Google’s “Dear Sydney” AI ad | The company suggests using AI to write a child’s fan letter and the ad is so bad that Google turned off comments for it on YouTube

If you’ve watched any Olympics coverage this week, you’ve likely been confronted with an ad for Google’s Gemini AI called “Dear Sydney.” In it, a proud father seeks help writing a letter on behalf of his daughter, who is an aspiring runner and superfan of world-record-holding hurdler Sydney McLaughlin-Levrone.

“I’m pretty good with words, but this has to be just right,” the father intones before asking Gemini to “Help my daughter write a letter telling Sydney how inspiring she is…” Gemini dutifully responds with a draft letter in which the LLM tells the runner, on behalf of the daughter, that she wants to be “just like you.”

I think the most offensive thing about the ad is what it implies about the kinds of human tasks Google sees AI replacing. Rather than using LLMs to automate tedious busywork or difficult research questions, “Dear Sydney” presents a world where Gemini can help us offload a heartwarming shared moment of connection with our children.

Inserting Gemini into a child’s heartfelt request for parental help makes it seem like the parent in question is offloading their responsibilities to a computer in the coldest, most sterile way possible. More than that, it comes across as an attempt to avoid an opportunity to bond with a child over a shared interest in a creative way.

iAvicenna , (edited )
@iAvicenna@lemmy.world avatar

Being a non native English speaker this is actually one of the better uses of LLMs for me. When I need to write in “fancier” English I ask LLMs and use it as an initial point (sometimes end up doing heavy modifications sometimes light). I mean this is one of the more logical uses of LLM, it is good at languages (unlike trying to get it to solve math problems).

And I dont agree with the pov that just because you use LLM output to find a good starting point it stops being personal.

Eximius ,

Well, if you get anywhere with that fake facade, then it will catch up to you.

Better start reading nicely written English books while doing this…

captain_aggravated ,
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0laura ,
@0laura@lemmy.world avatar

reminds me of that bear from inside job

LadyAutumn ,
@LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

leans back and sips beer

theneverfox ,
@theneverfox@pawb.social avatar

Idk, I mean I think this is more honest and practical LLM advertising than what we’ve seen before

I like to say AI is good at what I’m bad at. I’m bad at writing emails, putting my emotions out there (unless I’m sleep deprived up to the point I’m past self consciousness), and advocating for my work. LLMs do what takes me hours in a few seconds, even running locally on my modest hardware.

AI will not replace workers without significant qualitative advancements… It can sure as hell smooth the edges in my own life

bitwaba ,

“Dear Sydney” presents a world where Gemini can help us offload a heartwarming shared moment of connection with our children.

This is the problem I’ve had with the LLM announcements when they first came out. One of their favorite examples is writing a Thank You note.

The whole point of a Thank You note is that you didn’t have to write it, but you took time out of your day anyways to find your own words to thank someone.

mctoasterson ,

Glad to see others have also keyed in on just how lame this ad was.

My immediate thought was, if you (the guy doing the voiceover as the father) are so mentally deficient that you can’t even put together a four sentence paragraph of your own original thoughts for fanmail, then what hope do you have of doing anything else as a functioning adult?

Worse yet, what does this teach the kid?

barsquid ,

It should be like a core memory for the kid to do this with her dad. It’s like having an LLM to play catch or do tea parties with her.

KairuByte ,
@KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

You… you joke, but I know a few parents who would absolutely fail at something like this. Hell, they fail at basic math, and are barely literate.

I’m not saying this is a great idea for everyone, or that the ad is good. But the idea that “no one needs this” is extremely short sighted. Hell, the literacy rate in America alone isn’t even 95%, and over 50% of Americans aren’t proficient in English.

Again. This ad sucks for lots of reasons. But don’t pretend idiots can’t make it through adulthood, never mind become parents. The idiots are usually the ones with the most kids.

Angry_Autist ,

It teaches the kid to rely more and more on AI for everything, just like Google wants.

They’re already ‘thanking’ siri and alexa, this will be a very dangerous development.

habitualcynic ,
Angry_Autist ,

Roko’s basilisk is kind of bullshit but the meme is funny.

0laura ,
@0laura@lemmy.world avatar

rokos basilisk is the most stupidest thing and I hate it so much. it’s so obviously just plain wrong. it’s just wrong. it’s not even an interpretation thing. most stupidest and insane and useless idea ever.

edit: I’m still mad at that one YouTuber that did a video about rokos basilisk pretending it made even a little bit of sense.

webghost0101 ,

Thanking a personified character doesn’t strike me as a bad thing.

Surely theres a more positive perspective where people are just naturally polite in their words and would struggle to communicate differently to a language bot.

Angry_Autist ,

It’s pretty frustrating how the venn diagram of ‘people who treat people like things’, and ‘people who treat things like people’ is a near circle.

RogueBanana ,

New movie just dropped Violet evergarden: Gemini’s dream

lowleveldata ,

this has to be just right

And then he couldn’t even bother to choose the words himself

Mnemnosyne ,

It’s not implying he can’t be bothered, but that the machine can do a better job.

…which may be true, depending on just how bad he is at writing. Like, I was just watching this classic the other day. If this guy writes like some of those people, the machine may infact be better.

That said, for most people it’s stupid, and the tech isn’t able to do a better job at expressing such things.

Yet.

gibmiser ,

So in the spring I got a letter from a student telling me how much they appreciate me as a teacher. At the time I was going through some s***. Still am frankly. So it meant a lot to me.That was such a nice letter.

I read it again the next day and realized it was too perfect. Some of the phrasing just didn’t make sense for a high school student. Some of the punctuation.

I have no doubt the student was sincere in their appreciation for me, But once I realized what they had done It cheapened those happy feelings. Blah.

Xeroxchasechase ,

You should’ve asked Gemini what to feel about it and how to response…

kamenlady ,
@kamenlady@lemmy.world avatar

That’s the problem with how they are doing it, everyone seems to want AI to do everything, everywhere.

It is now getting on my own nerves, because more and more customers want to have somehow AI integrated in their websites, even when they don’t have a use for it.

blanketswithsmallpox , (edited )

… But why did it cheapen it when they’re the one that sent it to you? Because someone helped them write it, somehow the meaning is meaningless?

That seems positively callous in the worst possible way.

It’s needless fear mongering because it doesn’t count because of arbitrary reason since it’s not how we used to do things in the good old days.

No encyclopedia references… No using the internet… No using Wikipedia… No quoting since language and experience isn’t somehow shared and built on the shoulders of the previous generations with LLMs being the equivalent of a literal human reference dictionary that people want to say but can’t recall themselves or simply want to save time in a world where time is more precious than almost anything lol.

The only reason anyone shouldn’t like AI is due to the power draw. And nearly every AI company is investing more in renewables than anyone everyone else while pretending like data centers are the bane of existence while they write on Lemmy watching YouTube and playing an online game lol.

Aachen ,

David Joyner in his article On Artificial Intelligence and Authenticity gives an excellent example on how AI can cheapen the meaning of the gift: the thought and effort that goes into it.

In the opening synchronous meeting for one such class this semester, I was asked about this policy: if the work itself is the same, what does it matter whether it came from AI or not? I explained my thoughts with an analogy: imagine you have an assistant, whether that is an executive assistant at work or a family assistant at home or anyone else whose professional role is helping you with your role. Then, imagine your child’s (or spouse’s, I actually can’t remember which example I used in class) birthday is coming up. You could go out and shop for a present yourself, but you’re busy, so you ask this assistant to go pick out something. If your child found out that your assistant picked out the gift instead of you, would we consider it reasonable for them to be disappointed, even if the gift itself is identical to the one you would have purchased?

My class (those that spoke up, at least) generally agreed yes, it would be reasonable to expect the child to be disappointed: the gift is intended to represent more than just its inherent usefulness and value, but also the thought and effort that went into obtaining it. I continued the analogy by asking: now imagine if the gift was instead a prize selected for an employee-of-the-month sort of program. Would it be as disappointing for the assistant to buy it in that case? Likely not: in that situation, the gift’s value is more direct.

KairuByte ,
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I’m curious, if they had gone to their parent, gave them the same info, and come to the same message… would it have been less cheap feeling?

And do you know that isn’t the case? “Hey mom, I’m trying to write something nice to my teacher, this is what I have but it feels weird can you make a suggestion?” Is a perfectly reasonable thing to have happened.

candybrie ,

I think there’s a different amount of effort involved in the two scenarios and that does matter. In your example, the kid has already drafted the letter and adding in a parent will make it take longer and involve more effort. I think the assumption is they didn’t go to AI with a draft letter but had it spit one out with a much easier to create prompt.

KomfortablesKissen ,

Okay, but what if I can’t put my feelings into words? If even LLMs have a better grip on human emotion than me?

Edit: Well, then I wouldn’t have a daughter in the first place; and I don’t. Yay?

Leate_Wonceslace ,
@Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Okay. I’m a transhumanist. I like AI, automation, and the abolishment of involuntary labor as well as obligatory adversity. Even I thought this ad was super fucking creepy. How the fuck do you justify sending your daughter an auto-generated letter? Now, not only do you not care enough to do it yourself, you’re lying to her about it.

festus ,

Other way around - the AI is writing a letter “from” the daughter to be sent to the athlete. Still BS though, and I’m sure famous people just love getting spam fan mail where the person couldn’t be bothered to draft it themself.

Leate_Wonceslace ,
@Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I was remembering an ad that I saw yesterday(?), so either I mis-remembered, mis-understood, or mistook the ad mentioned in the article for the one I saw.

Regardless, ty for letting me know.

CrowAirbrush ,

If i look around me, the people have stopped caring and been lying about it for years.

Either Google knows it’s audience, or the ad was sent to the wrong crowd.

ealoe ,

I saw a similar ad in theaters this week, it started by asking Gemini to write a breakup letter and I thought my friend next to me was going to cry because she’s going through a breakup but then right at the end it goes “…to my old phone, because the Pixel 9 is just so cool!”

Gemini is awesome, I use it all the time for applied algebra and coding but using it to replace human emotions is not awesome. Google can do better

mozz ,
@mozz@mbin.grits.dev avatar

This is one of the weirdest of several weird things about the people who are marketing AI right now

I went to ChatGPT right now and one of the auto prompts it has is “Message to comfort a friend”

If I was in some sort of distress and someone sent me a comforting message and I later found out they had ChatGPT write the message for them I think I would abandon the friendship as a pointless endeavor

What world do these people live in where they’re like “I wish AI would write meaningful messages to my friends for me, so I didn’t have to”

Khanzarate ,

The thing they’re trying to market is a lot of people genuinely don’t know what to say at certain times. Instead of replacing an emotional activity, its meant to be used when you literally can’t do it but need to.

Obviously that’s not the way it should go, but it is an actual problem they’re trying to talk to. I had a friend feel real down in high school because his parents didn’t attend an award ceremony, and I couldn’t help cause I just didn’t know what to say. AI could’ve hypothetically given me a rough draft or inspiration. Obviously I wouldn’t have just texted what the AI said, but it could’ve gotten me past the part I was stuck on.

In my experience, AI is shit at that anyway. 9 times out of 10 when I ask it anything even remotely deep it restates the problem like “I’m sorry to hear your parents couldn’t make it”. AI can’t really solve the problem google wants it to, and I’m honestly glad it can’t.

mozz ,
@mozz@mbin.grits.dev avatar

Yeah. If it had any empathy this would be a good task and a genuinely helpful thing. As it is, it’s going to produce nothing but pain and confusion and false hope if turned loose on this task.

Serinus ,

They’re trying to market emotion because emotion sells.

It’s also exactly what AI should be kept away from.

assassin_aragorn ,

A lot of the times when you don’t know what to say, it’s not because you can’t find the right words, but the right words simply don’t exist. There’s nothing that captures your sorrow for the person.

Funny enough, the right thing to say is that you don’t know what to say. And just offer yourself to be there for them.

ArbitraryValue , (edited )

If I was in some sort of distress and someone sent me a comforting message and I later found out they had ChatGPT write the message for them I think I would abandon the friendship as a pointless endeavor

My initial response is the same as yours, but I wonder… If the intent was to comfort you and the effect was to comfort you, wasn’t the message effective? How is it different from using a cell phone to get a reminder about a friend’s birthday rather than memorizing when the birthday is?

One problem that both the AI message and the birthday reminder have is that they don’t require much effort. People apparently appreciate having effort expended on their behalf even if it doesn’t create any useful result. This is why I’m currently making a two-hour round trip to bring a birthday cake to my friend instead of simply telling her to pick the one she wants, have it delivered, and bill me. (She has covid so we can’t celebrate together.) I did make the mistake of telling my friend that I had a reminder in my phone for this, so now she knows I didn’t expend the effort to memorize the date.

Another problem that only the AI message has is that it doesn’t contain information that the receiver wants to know, which is the specific mental state of the sender rather than just the presence of an intent to comfort. Presumably if the receiver wanted a message from an AI, she would have asked the AI for it herself.

Anyway, those are my Asperger’s musings. The next time a friend needs comforting, I will tell her “I wish you well. Ask an AI for inspirational messages appropriate for these circumstances.”

Emerald ,

Ask an AI for inspirational messages appropriate for these circumstances.

Don’t need to ask an AI when every website is AI-generated blogspam these days

candybrie ,

Another problem that only the AI message has is that it doesn’t contain information that the receiver wants to know, which is the specific mental state of the sender rather than just the presence of an intent to comfort.

I don’t think the recipient wants to know the specific mental state of the sender. Presumably, the person is already dealing with a lot, and it’s unlikely they’re spending much time wondering what friends not going through it are thinking about. Grief and stress tend to be kind of self-centering that way.

The intent to comfort is the important part. That’s why the suggestion of “I don’t know what to say, but I’m here for you” can actually be an effective thing to say in these situations.

Rolando ,

I would abandon the friendship as a pointless endeavor

You’re in luck, you can subscribe to an AI friend instead. /s

mozz ,
@mozz@mbin.grits.dev avatar

You’ve seen porn addiction yes, but have you seen AI boyfriend emotional attachment addiction?

Guaranteed to ruin your life! Act now.

Emerald ,

Those AI dating sites always have the creepiest uncanny valley profile photos. Its fun to scroll them sometimes.

Steve ,

Don’t date robots!

flicker ,

Brought to you by the Space Pope.

synae ,
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Shut up! You don’t understand what me and Marilyn Monrobot have together!

AFKBRBChocolate ,

The article makes a mention of the early part of the movie Her, where he’s writing a heartfelt, personal card that turns out to be his job, writing from one stranger to another. That reference was exactly on target: I think most of us thought outsourcing such a thing was a completely bizarre idea, and it is. It’s maybe even worse if you’re not even outsourcing to someone with emotions but to an AI.

dan1101 ,

These seem like people who treat relationships like a game or an obligation instead of really wanting to know the person.

pineapplelover ,

It’s like the South Park episode about using chatgpt to message their SO

blanketswithsmallpox ,

Was kinda suprised I forgot about this one lol. Such a great episode.

Evotech ,
ArchRecord , (edited )

The people making these ads can’t fathom anything past pure efficiency. It’s what their entire job revolves around, efficiently using corporate resources to maximize the amount of people using or paying for a product.

Sure, I would like to be more efficient when writing, but that doesn’t mean writing the whole letter for me, it means giving me pointers on how to start it, things to emphasize, or how to reword something that doesn’t sound quite right, so I don’t spend 10 minutes staring at an email wondering if the way I worded it will be taken the wrong way.

AI is a tool, it is not a replacement for humans. Trying to replace true human interaction with an LLM is like trying to replace an experienced person’s job with a freshly hired intern with no experience. Sure, they can technically do the job, but they won’t do it well. It’s only a benefit when the intern works with the existing knowledgeable individuals in the field to do better work.

If we try to use AI to replace the entire process, we just end up with this:

https://lemm.ee/pictrs/image/7c59ec57-2ff0-4dea-853a-f5031dfb8e86.jpeg

barsquid ,

That flowchart example is idiotic but I love it. The formal cover letter in between is more idiotic. It would be cool if we could collectively agree to just send “I’d like this job” instead of all the bullshit.

BigPotato ,

But, you and everyone else would just say “I want this job” but they want the best person for the job. Putting up with bullshit is invariably going to be part of the job.

barsquid ,

They can compare my resume with the other applicants’. I don’t mind.

ArchRecord ,

A lot of what we do as a society is redundant, but I do think fully written emails or cover letters have merit (even if it’s the same template replicated for multiple applications,)

It helps the reviewer understand if you’re articulate with your speech, gives them additional context to your resume, and lets them better match applicants with their current work environment.

That said, a lot of the process is still redundant anyways, and considering many hiring processes are now entirely automated, a more concise, standardized method of providing the same information would likely be more manageable and efficient for most people.

BigPotato ,

I said all these things to my partner when I saw the ad as well.

I’ve spent more time helping my kid write Steam reviews of the games they’re playing than this Dad did on writing a letter to his daughter’s hero.

Simple as. Don’t be surprised when the kid puts you in a crappy home to afford more Gemini credit or whatever.

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