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PenisWenisGenius ,

In 2030 this will just be the standard system requirements for AAA games because optimization is hard.

redditReallySucks ,
@redditReallySucks@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

because optimization is hard costs money and they dont have enough from the 60 USD you paid

drunkpostdisaster ,

70*

redditReallySucks ,
@redditReallySucks@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Right, forgot AAAA was the new norm

z00s ,

Kinda feels like humanity is in the process of jumping the shark on this one

drunkpostdisaster ,

It’s the last season anyway

Dadifer ,

That pretty much describes all of Vegas.

razorwiregoatlick ,
@razorwiregoatlick@lemmy.world avatar

It would be impressive it could be done without destroying our planet. This should impress no one.

ILikeBoobies ,

At every stage of it’s life cycle; the Sphere has been the dumbest thing imaginable

And because some rich people got scammed into buying in now everyone has to advertise it

KingThrillgore ,
@KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar

And unless it displays a picture of Mr. House it’s all for naught

InvaderDJ ,

It’s funny, I think Vegas is perfectly fine as the city of sin so things like this really don’t phase me. It was built on the idea of crime and excess.

What does seem weird to me is how in a desert, why isn’t everything solar? The sun is their only natural resource besides sand. Every rooftop and parking lot and flat surface possible seems like it should be a panel.

aidan ,

Vegas is surrounded by empty desert, they don’t need to use rooftops and parking lots

fukurthumz420 ,

even deserts host life. it’s kind of a ecological misnomer that we could just cover the deserts of the world in solar panels. that would have serious repercussions.

JasonDJ ,

Also, the ocean is a desert with its life underground and the perfect disguise up above.

aidan ,

What repercussions could covering a few acres more in the mojave with solar panels have?

AutistoMephisto ,
@AutistoMephisto@lemmy.world avatar

Honestly if we could get space elevators figured out, the best place to put solar panels would be in the upper atmosphere. Tethered to the ground by massive columns that feed the energy they collect to massive capacitors on the ground?

fatalError ,

Solar only works during the day. During night you need batteries which are not renewable. Mining lithium trashes ecosystems and we probably have enough for like 50 more years at this rate, cobalt is extracted through slave labour. And we’ve seen how well recycling works for other materials which are less complex. So all these renewables aren’t all that green in every aspect. Unless we solve the energy storage problem it isn’t as simple as putting up more panels.

n3m37h ,

polarnightenergy.fi/sand-battery

Gormadt ,
@Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Sodium batteries (which are on the market now) are way more environmentally friendly than Lithium batteries.

The materials are very accessible by comparison to Lithium batteries and they’re way more stable.

frezik ,

You know, I’m getting really sick of these comments where people think they know what they’re talking about and repeat a bunch of talking points about lithium.

Lithium is not going to be the basis of a renewable grid. We need it for EVs because it’s the best Wh/kg that we have right now, but we don’t care so much about weight for grid storage. Cost/kg is the main measure we care about there (though there are some other considerations in specific conditions). We already have tech being deployed in the field that’s better than lithium for grid storage. Flow batteries, flywheels, pumped hydro, or just heating up sand or rocks. Others, like sodium batteries, are being manufactured and will probably find their way into real products in the next few years.

fatalError ,

Chill, no need to be stressed. Part of the ideas you mentioned are already implemented in some cases, but they are not without drawbacks. Pumped hydro is good, but has high maintainance costs, messes with the fish and requires large bodies of water, how do you get tbat in the desert? Flywheels have good inertia, great for stabilizing the grid, Ireland has some for that exact reason, but can’t store a whole lot. And heating up roxks and sand may work if you need heat at night, but you need electricity, so you need water to turn into steam to produce it. Sodium batteries look the most promising, we’ll see how they develop. But until we get these storqge facilities built, adding more solar would only destabilise the grids even more.

linearchaos ,
@linearchaos@lemmy.world avatar

So if you knew this which is a reasonable post why do you post the propaganda piece before?

fatalError ,

What propaganda? I think you have to go back and read my post once more… The thread started from solar panels in the desert. At the moment the most widely used grid storage is pumped hydro, how will you do that in the desert? Next most used tech RIGHT NOW is lithium batteries. Other solutions exist, but how many are there implemented and ready to capture that energy right now? Oh, not so many? Then putting up more solar panels hoping that one day we have the storage for them is foolish, these panles lose efficiency over time. I don’t have an agenda to spread, there is no propaganda, I am only talking about the an issue which exists, which is energy storage, for which we have some solutions, with their pros and cons, but not close to being implemented.

danc4498 ,

Currently, an agreement is under review to ensure that 70% of the Sphere’s power needs will come from solar sources, with the other 30% from non-renewable energy that will be offset by renewable energy credits.

Nevada has pledged to achieve net zero emissions of greenhouse gases by 2050, and the solar project under construction to help offset its energy debt is estimated to complete in 2027.

How stupid is it that somebody can claim “Net Zero” greenhouse gas emissions when 30% of their power is greenhouse gas.

Just gonna throw this out there. Fuck credits, charge a carbon tax.

capital ,

We’ll also ignore the fact that that solar could have been used to offset actual needs instead of this BS.

frezik ,

If only Las Vegas were located somewhere that the sun shines almost all day every day. \s

capital ,

And yet they still couldn’t cover the last 30%.

__Lost__ ,

That’s probably at night

capital ,

Regardless, that energy could be going to offset other energy currently being produced by non-renewables no matter which way you slice it.

Morphit ,
@Morphit@feddit.uk avatar

So build concentrated solar power and store the heat for after the sun sets. Bonus - thermal power plant turbines give inertia to the grid, which photo-voltaics don’t.

CommanderCloon ,

I highly doubt the operating hours of this ball of decadence match the time when solar power peaks

Usernameblankface ,
@Usernameblankface@lemmy.world avatar

If only the creators of the ball had enough profit coming in to put up more solar panels and build up a battery bank for the night so they wouldn’t take anything from the grid…

duffman ,

Vegas exists because of the BS.

ILikeBoobies ,

The word net does a lot of heavy lifting and it’s just a scam

You can use 100% coal power and claim net zero by buying a forest

sugar_in_your_tea ,

Exactly. Carbon credits for the win! I love me some Pigouvian taxes. :)

w2tpmf ,

Well you don’t understand what “net” means.

It doesn’t mean literally zero. It means colunm A and column B average out to zero.

To acheive a real net zero, they have to save energy somewhere else that takes that column past 100% (Such as if their solar panels produce more energy than they use during certain times.)

They probably just make some shit up to say their are saving extra somewhere they aren’t (so to that point, yes…credits are bullshit.)

Sorgan71 ,

They never claimed net zero. They plan to achieve net zero by 2050

danc4498 ,

Yeah, that’s in the quote. I’m more complaining about the concept of “net zero”.

Usernameblankface ,
@Usernameblankface@lemmy.world avatar

Maybe, I mean just maybe, they can run this thing only as long as the solar generated power lasts, and then turn it off 30% of the time.

danc4498 ,

Run it at 70% percent brightness.

Usernameblankface ,
@Usernameblankface@lemmy.world avatar

Oooh, this is a good idea

NecroSocial ,

Fuck credits, charge a carbon tax.

IMO it seems RECs are a better solution than carbon taxes at least in situations like this. With RECs you’re buying renewable energy to offset non-renewables, with a carbon tax the company is just giving the government money for use of non-renewables. Only funds spent on RECs in this case actually go to supporting the renewable energy sector. I’m no expert in this stuff so I could be off, just how I understand it.

MonkderDritte , (edited )

If they reversed it (displays inside), it would be the best immersive gaming setup ever.

Edit: looks like they are inside.

Tire ,

That’s what it is on the inside.

MonkderDritte ,

Wait, the article says it’s “internal displays” but the picture shows images on the outside of the globe?

Dozzi92 ,
@Dozzi92@lemmy.world avatar

It’s got both. It’s awesome. But it’s also owned by James Dolan, and he’s a douche. I say that as a big Rangers fan.

Highsight ,
@Highsight@lemmy.world avatar

Yep, it is both. Highly recommend this amazing video from Eddie Burbank about it, very entertaining. youtu.be/KN63DDD9Y04?si=q6gE98LszfcPzBvy

neidu2 , (edited )

Never heard of him nor the sphere before. Excellent video that explains the sphere, made by an excellent YouTuber.
Excellent recommendation!

extremeboredom ,

His entire channel is gold

ours ,

Hi is willing to commit to suffer so much for the most stupid and hilarious of quests like eating at every Margaritaville in the continental US. What a legend.

Jarix ,

The article says

Those GPUs power 16 internal displays, each with a resolution of 16K, alongside 1.2 million programmable LED pucks coating the exterior of the sphere.

Did you literally stop reading mid sentence? Or are you just not able to read good?

MonkderDritte ,

“internal displays” could mean whatever. They’re embedded for example.

Jarix ,

So not read good. Thanks

n3m37h ,

Except it has the worst pixel density ever

Jarix , (edited )

9.818127340823 should be the pixel density if my numbers are correct.

The numbers i was able to find(please correct if these numbers are not accurate)

160,000 sqft display converted to inches 23040000 sq/inch

16K x 16K resolution equals 15360 pixels x 15360 pixels So thats 235,929,600 pixels

Various Notes.

  • a 55-inch 4K television, which has a pixel density of only 80.11ppi
  • iphone 12 - 360ppi
  • 14,000ppi MicroLED display is world’s densest, only 0.48mm across june 2019 approximately the size of a ladybug
n3m37h ,

Thank you for confirming this, I’ll stick with my 109ppi 27" 1440p 165hz monitor

Jarix ,

Not even close to the worst pixel per inch though. That would be probably a drone array in the sky im guessing assuming they could be made to stay perfectly in sync, ppi could be as bad as you wanted it lol. This does make me wonder what the extreme limits of ppi can be and still be usable. You would probably need to be on the moon or in space to be in the ideal viewing position. Having to acount for the limitation of the speed of light to produce the picture on that “display” would be an impressive feat of engineering.

Did you really build a dyson sphere just to build a bigger tv? Yes yes i did

Pixel pitch takes into account viewing distance.

The displays in the sphere are 16K displays. They look insanely better than your monitor from the ideal spot in the venue.

Their display has 64x more pixels than yours.

n3m37h ,

Silence! I will hear none of this blasphemy! Fallout 76 does not have 16x the detail!

SuperFola ,
@SuperFola@programming.dev avatar

Shame

blind3rdeye ,

Is the ‘dystopia-sphere’ trying to compete with the torment nexus or something?

mPony ,

Thunderdome was already taken

Iloveyurianime ,

I guess they dont need to pay for heating when you have a bunch of high power computers pumping out a crap ton of heat

ChickenLadyLovesLife ,

It also helps that it’s in Las Vegas.

ours ,

Those displays must dump a ton more of heat.

ShittyBeatlesFCPres ,

Las Vegas in general is a testament to the hubris of humanity and an admittedly impressive technical feat. Does it even exist without the Hoover Dam?

batmaniam ,

I don’t know about power, but Vegas is actually incredibly water efficient. Due to the way the water rights work with the Colorado river, they’re not allowed very much, but it doesn’t “count” if you put it back in. So nearly every drop they use is treated and put back (probably cleaner, tbh). Boggles the brain, but somehow it’s actually a fairly sustainable city. More than any other other major metro, in any event.

DevopsPalmer ,

Considering they are in a literal desert, they would have to be fairly sustainable to exist in the first place. Not saying it’s not super impressive, my dad lived out there when they were building up a lot of the expanded infrastructure and he has some cool stories about how he saw the desert on the outskirts disappear as they added in all the water and transportation stuff

axo ,

What do other cities do with their wastewater? Isnt that the norm?

batmaniam ,

Thrilled you asked! So yes: Treatment is always required, but the final destination of the treated water can vary. For instance, in a lot of places they may have municipal water TO a home or business, but that may be discharged to septic, as opposed to the river. Also in a lot of areas, water may be taken out of an underground aquifer (either by private well or a municipality) but when treated it may be discharged into a river or ocean. That can create problems because if you’re near the coast, the empty space in the aquifer may be filled by salt/brackish water that can lead to salinity rises in the aquifer. To solve that some places turn to “ground water recharge”, which is just a fancy way of saying “we built a big well to put it back in the aquifer”.

Increasingly, you’re seeing some places essentially sell their treated water. Santa Rosa CA, for instance, built an entire pipeline that goes from their treatment facility to another municipality to be injected into their groundwater.

So yes, everywhere treats it, but the final destination makes a difference. Las Vegas (or anyone else on the river) only gets credit for what goes back into the river, so any evaporation etc is a problem. It sounds trivial, but there is a reason those other strategies exist. It essentially doubles every pipe, limits where you can park a treatment plant etc. Vegas also does some great grey water re-use. That essentially means it doesn’t go “back” but can get used many many times, limiting the initial draw.

Wastewater is funny because it’s far from rocket science, but the numbers to implement any of it get staggering very quickly.

jaybone ,

Where does Santa Rosa’s wastewater go to?

captainlezbian ,

Wastewater isn’t rocket science. It’s just harder and significantly more important. Every engineering discipline makes fun of the civils, but the fact is none of us are half as critical to modern life as them. Every benefit any of us claim rests on their backs. The flow of electricity is a civil engineering feat, the flow of water to and from our homes, businesses, and farms is a civil engineering feat (and critical to health), as is our transportation networks, our entire constructed environment, and even crazy and weird shit like controlling the location of critical rivers.

batmaniam ,

oh I’m not shortchanging it, I work in the field. It’s crazy how “simple” it is in concept and hard to deliver. But it’s on par with antibiotics with how many lives it’s changed. Like you said, it’s like a lot of civil stuff. A solid highway system, for instance. Just some dirt with fancy rocks on it right? Righhhhhhht?

And don’t get me wrong, wastewater has tons of complications. Any plant is operated in equal parts science, engineering, and art. It’s a living, breathing, bioreactor. They’ve each got their own distinct personality.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

I actually thought about going into civil engineering in school, but I ended up really liking Computer Science instead. In high school, I was waffling between being a software patent attorney and a civil engineering attorney, but once I took some CS classes, I decided software patents suck and I really wanted to work with computers.

I have a lot of respect for our civil engineers. My state is experimenting with a variety of civil engineering stuff, like paints for our highways (should help visibility in crappy winter conditions), alternative grass mixtures to cut water use (less engineering and more horticulture, but whatever), and expanding trains. I kind of wish I was involved with that, but I still really like my job, so I just follow that kind of stuff as a hobby. Bridges, trains, and tunnels rock.

captainlezbian ,

Yeah in retrospect I wish I’d gone civil. It wasn’t offered at my school but I went industrial because I loved both engineering and psychology. Civil would’ve meant I did more good and got less poisoned by my career

prole ,

It was also, literally, built by the mob

Uruanna ,

A bomb that could destroy Earth’s core would be an admittedly impressive technical feat!

Grippler ,

Nono, the bombs starts the earths core

CaliforniaSober ,

WAVE PROPIGATION

ours ,

The Core appreciators… UNITE!

PhlubbaDubba ,

Normally I’d be suspicious of these kinds of megastructure projects but Vegas is the city that figured out how to get damn close to net zero water use from the Colorado so I’m willing to start off with the benefit of the doubt for the city leaders that ok’d this.

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