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Ibaudia ,
@Ibaudia@lemmy.world avatar

The answer to questions like these is always money.

LostAndSmelly ,

Money for infrastructure and money to buy the thing.

terminhell ,

Where I live, there’s one charging station. And it’s like 8 miles or so from my house. I’ve yet to see more. It’s also a fairly rural area. I think we forget how much population lives outside cities.

Petter1 ,

You don’t have electricity in your house??

MrAlternateTape , (edited )

Of course he does. But a standard house power connection does not deliver the amount of power you need to charge a car.

So you need to build a charging pole at your house if you want to charge ar home. Which is another investment.

And if you are in a somewhat remote area and there are not many charging poles around you, you are also very limited in how far and how fast you can travel.

So there really is no point investing in a charging pole and an EV car if the car is not capable of doing to the same things that a gas car can do.

EDIT: thanks for the responses. I’m still not convinced that electric is a good option for me, but some issues seem to be fixed or not as bad as I thought.

Still, within my price range it will take a while before I can pay one.

LordKitsuna ,

The problem here is that you think the only viable method to charge an electric vehicle is a level 2 or above charger. The average person, even in more rural areas, generally drives less than 60 miles in a day. Which is something that can be recouped overnight with a standard 15 amp outlet. And that’s assuming it’s only plugged in for 8 hours. Most people’s cars sit idle at home much longer than that. You don’t even need to go Fancy with a dryer Outlet much less a level2 charger.

Unless you’re somewhat remote area is over 200 mi from the nearest charger the majority of electric vehicles will get you there without you having to drive like a grandma. As many of them have somewhere on the order of 250 to 280 miles of range on a full charge now.

Maggoty ,

It depends on the circuit in the garage and people need to check. But trickle charging overnight is entirely feasible for many people.

AA5B ,

Or I got a fairly cheap set of adapters that also work for 240v dryer/power tool, and RV outlets. I ought to be able to charge by y vehicle pretty much everywhere

Petter1 ,

Well, it is enough for my car… You don’t need 50kW if you charge over Night (same Like you don’t need fast charge g, if you charge your phone over night)

Hugh_Jeggs ,

Remember the yanks have pink fluffy girly 110v electricity. They’ve only just been told about kettles and they think a microwave is a cooking device

Petter1 ,

Yea, but normally you can draw about 15 amps compared to the 10 amps typically allowed un EU. 110v x 15A = more then 1.5kW which should totally be enough to charge over night (maybe blug it in every night)

DinosaurSr ,

I just learned that you can steam broccoli in the microwave and it’s such a time saver!

Burn_The_Right , (edited )

Um, excuse me, sir! It’s called a microwave oven for a reason thankyouverymuch!

AA5B , (edited )

It’s nowhere near as bad as you think. A level 2 charger is essentially an electric stove circuit, and the chargers are only a few hundred dollars. I had to do both this year and there really wasn’t a significant cost difference. I charge once or twice a week for a couple hours. It’s quite reasonable to install a level 2 charger if you have a single family house with off street parking

Or for like $150, I got a full set of adapters to charge pretty much everywhere. In addition to a regular outlet, I can plug into a 240v dryer/powertool/heater/ac outlet, or an RV outlet for a faster charge.

While I do have many charging stations nearby (and I’ll bet that’s far more common in the population than people who don’t), with a home charger, I’ve never had the need to use a public charger less than 100 miles from here

Silentiea ,
@Silentiea@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

My car is plugged in to a normal power outlet in my garage. As long as it’s not sharing a circuit with a stove or ac compressor or something it’ll be fine, and even if it is you could work around that.

EngineerGaming ,
@EngineerGaming@feddit.nl avatar

IDK about houses, but this would be the case for people in apartment buildings. What should you do? Not even joke about “lowering a cord from your window” because it’s not guaranteed that your street parking is near your windows!

andrewth09 ,

My co-worker has an electric car and lives in an apartment without a charger. Luckily our office has a few chargers and he only needs to charge it once or twice a week. If he really needed it he could charge at a public fast charger somewhere else in town, but he tries to avoid that.

AA5B ,

Yeah, my office has a couple free chargers. It’s really not worth the fuss for me since I can charge at home and it’s a short commute but I’m happy to see there’s always a queue

Petter1 ,

Yes, of course, but in remote areas you very rarely have apartment buildings, as I recall.

DeprecatedCompatV2 ,

That is not accurate. There are plenty of apartment buildings far away from commercial areas. They can be surrounded by rural areas or suburban areas (SFH zoning).

Petter1 ,

😮 and there are no changes at such remote apartment places?

DeprecatedCompatV2 ,

Why would there be? Electric cars are luxury items bought by people who own homes.

dinckelman ,

My entire city currently has 30 charging ports in total, half of which are either in private locations, malls, paid parking, or singular charging station spots in obscure places.

I’m not opposed to EVs at all, but the infrastructure is just not there. Not to mention the abysmal price of these

Kayday ,

I’ve been saying since EVs hit the market that I couldn’t wait for them to be cheap enough used for me to justify purchasing one. That hasn’t happened yet. Most I’ve ever spent on a car was $7k.

AA5B ,

For sure, we can’t expect a good used EV market until we establish a strong new EV market.

RandomGuy79 ,

Cant charge it myself, doesn’t last long enough, dies when it’s too cold

ButtermilkBiscuit ,

Not to mention, 5 years in after you’ve invested in the power improvements to your house to allow charging, if your battery fails I guess fuck you? $20k to keep rolling lol. Think that’s part of why the used market is showing huge depreciation for EVs. No one wants to spend 20k for a used vehicle with a ticking time bomb 20k repair guaranteed some time in the future.

gamermanh ,
@gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

5 years in

Batteries last far longer than that, to the point where every warranty I’ve seen is 10 years minimum

buzz86us , (edited )

Were waiting for the next wave of $25k EV since there is no hope that the tariffs on the only country with enough scale to build affordable EV is on a 100% tariff.

technocrit ,

Because they’re an unsustainable con for saving the auto/oil cartels instead of the planet/humanity?

Instead of going into poverty buying a luxury vehicle, people should be given safe and sustainable infrastructure for LEVs, bikes, pedestrians, and of course public transit.

Etterra ,

If my - or any other - complex had charging stations, I’d consider it. The most I’d ever be able to get is a hybrid, if I wasn’t so dirt-ass poor that an old and busted used car was the best that I could afford, because I’m disabled and live in friggin America.

olympicyes ,

I think most people in the market for an EV know that all the manufacturers are changing the charging port to the Tesla NACS standard next year. Range anxiety is still the biggest issue for EV adoption and the supercharger network is the only practical option right now. Tesla hasn’t innovated in a while and current Tesla owners are put off by Musk’s antics. I’d personally wait a year to see what the options are.

gamermanh ,
@gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Range anxiety is still the biggest issue for EV adoption

Only because people keep making false claims like:

the supercharger network is the only practical option right now

olympicyes ,

True enough to get the industry in North America to move off vanilla ccs.

SpikesOtherDog ,

I would love to own one, but the investment is too great right now. All I want is something repairable that will drive, have cool air, and play music over Bluetooth.

BURN ,

At least for me the reasons are

  1. Lack of interest
  2. They’re ridiculously Ugly
  3. Range (I’ve driven 1500 miles in the last 3 weeks)
  4. Driving Experience is worse (opinion, but still something I stand by)
  5. Charging
  6. Price

When I was looking at new cars an EV wasn’t even an option. I wanted a 2 door performance coupe and there isn’t anything even close to that in EVs, let alone on the used market. A 2014 Audi was a better choice in almost every metric beyond gas prices.

Silentiea ,
@Silentiea@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I would like to note that if you wanted to drive as far as possible, my car could probably go more than 5000mi in three weeks, though I typically only drive a few hundred a week.

And contrary to a gas car I never have to stop to fuel, I just get home and it charges over night.

Also, what’s wrong with the “driving experience”? It’s not loud enough or something?

BURN ,

I regularly do 400+ mile trips in a day or two ( I’m a photographer ) and need to be able to quickly have range available in non major metro areas.

Since I live in an apartment overnight charging isn’t an option. So I’d still have to go places to charge, which takes significantly longer than stopping for gas.

Driving experince is subjective, but instant power with no real hp/torque curves makes driving really boring. There’s no response from the car, it’s just an On/Off toggle. There’s no real fun to driving it.

Yes the sound is a major part. I’ve got a very nice, valved exhaust system on my new car that adds a ton to how much fun the car is. Hearing the engine, how it responds and how the power is applied is a major part of the fun of driving.

If all you want is a car to get from point A to point B, an EV is completely fine, but as someone who genuinely enjoys cars and driving, EVs are boring and will 100% get you laughed out of most car shows.

sardaukar ,

You’re worried it’s not loud enough and that people will laugh at you in car shows?? You’re part of the problem.

BURN ,

Nah, I just enjoy cars and (legal) racing.

I’m never going to be interested in an EV. They’re boring, soulless creations that don’t interest me as an enthusiast. They’re great commuter vehicles, but that’s where their use ends. ICE is always going to be preferred by car people.

sardaukar ,

You know this hobby of yours is directly or indirectly bad for the environment, for society (Middle East tensions, see 9/11), for road safety in case of SUVs that block view of children in front of it, for city planning, and I could go on. But still you’re a “car person”, so none of that matters.

Normal people will have to wait for you and other “car people” to die off for the planet to become a better place. Until then, you’re actively making things worse.

Silentiea ,
@Silentiea@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Humorous comic relevant to this discussion.

Cheesus ,

Why is charging bad? Id argue it’s a plus. You never have to go to a gas station and every morning you wake up with a full charge for your day.

BURN ,

I don’t have a place to charge at home, nor a way to run a cord from my apartment to a car, so charging becomes a 20-30 minute ordeal instead of a 3 minute tank of gas on my way to work.

Cheesus ,

That’s fair. Charging infrastructure isn’t ready if you can’t charge at home

autotldr Bot ,

This is the best summary I could come up with:

Washington has set out an industrial policy that hits Chinese manufacturers of cars, batteries and other components with punitive tariffs and restricts federal tax incentives for consumers buying their products.

The administration is attempting to reconcile its industrial and climate policies by offering tax incentives to consumers to buy EVs and by encouraging manufacturers to develop US-dominated supply chains.

According to data analyzed by the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), a Washington think-tank, US-based carmakers have been importing a growing share of their batteries from China.

Ilaria Mazzocco, chair in Chinese business and economics at CSIS, says the reduced competition and rising cost of imported battery components could delay price decreases for US consumers.

Bozzella says that even with the tariff protection measures and US subsidies in place, he was unsure how long it would take for the US auto industry to produce EVs that could compete with heavily subsidized Chinese vehicles on pricing.

Van Jackson, previously an official in the Obama administration and now a senior lecturer in international relations at Victoria University of Wellington in New Zealand, says electric cars still need to fall in price if the market is to grow substantially.

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Cyberjin ,

Americans probably don’t want to buy those Chinese EVs that poorly made and dangerous

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