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AFC1886VCC ,

I’ve never even driven an EV, they’re comically far out of my price range.

Tantheiel ,

Would you buy one if they were more affordable? Personal experience I agree they are quite a lot of money to get behind the wheel of.

While we have plenty of gas stations to fill up with home charging can be another hurdle that’s costly or impossible depending on the living situation.

AFC1886VCC ,

I sure would. I’m not one of those people who scoffs at modern cars.

Environmental reasons aside, they tend to have lots of bells and whistles that cars like my 20 year old Toyota doesn’t have. Parking sensors, better climate control, a multimedia system, etc.

I like my car but I’d swap it for an EV without a second thought if it was possible!

squirrelwithnut ,

All of them are expensive, and almost all of them are ugly as fuck. And the ones that I would consider even decent looking enough to drive are even more expensive than the others.

Ibaudia ,
@Ibaudia@lemmy.world avatar

The answer to questions like these is always money.

LostAndSmelly ,

Money for infrastructure and money to buy the thing.

BURN ,

At least for me the reasons are

  1. Lack of interest
  2. They’re ridiculously Ugly
  3. Range (I’ve driven 1500 miles in the last 3 weeks)
  4. Driving Experience is worse (opinion, but still something I stand by)
  5. Charging
  6. Price

When I was looking at new cars an EV wasn’t even an option. I wanted a 2 door performance coupe and there isn’t anything even close to that in EVs, let alone on the used market. A 2014 Audi was a better choice in almost every metric beyond gas prices.

Silentiea ,
@Silentiea@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I would like to note that if you wanted to drive as far as possible, my car could probably go more than 5000mi in three weeks, though I typically only drive a few hundred a week.

And contrary to a gas car I never have to stop to fuel, I just get home and it charges over night.

Also, what’s wrong with the “driving experience”? It’s not loud enough or something?

BURN ,

I regularly do 400+ mile trips in a day or two ( I’m a photographer ) and need to be able to quickly have range available in non major metro areas.

Since I live in an apartment overnight charging isn’t an option. So I’d still have to go places to charge, which takes significantly longer than stopping for gas.

Driving experince is subjective, but instant power with no real hp/torque curves makes driving really boring. There’s no response from the car, it’s just an On/Off toggle. There’s no real fun to driving it.

Yes the sound is a major part. I’ve got a very nice, valved exhaust system on my new car that adds a ton to how much fun the car is. Hearing the engine, how it responds and how the power is applied is a major part of the fun of driving.

If all you want is a car to get from point A to point B, an EV is completely fine, but as someone who genuinely enjoys cars and driving, EVs are boring and will 100% get you laughed out of most car shows.

sardaukar ,

You’re worried it’s not loud enough and that people will laugh at you in car shows?? You’re part of the problem.

BURN ,

Nah, I just enjoy cars and (legal) racing.

I’m never going to be interested in an EV. They’re boring, soulless creations that don’t interest me as an enthusiast. They’re great commuter vehicles, but that’s where their use ends. ICE is always going to be preferred by car people.

sardaukar ,

You know this hobby of yours is directly or indirectly bad for the environment, for society (Middle East tensions, see 9/11), for road safety in case of SUVs that block view of children in front of it, for city planning, and I could go on. But still you’re a “car person”, so none of that matters.

Normal people will have to wait for you and other “car people” to die off for the planet to become a better place. Until then, you’re actively making things worse.

Silentiea ,
@Silentiea@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Humorous comic relevant to this discussion.

Cheesus ,

Why is charging bad? Id argue it’s a plus. You never have to go to a gas station and every morning you wake up with a full charge for your day.

BURN ,

I don’t have a place to charge at home, nor a way to run a cord from my apartment to a car, so charging becomes a 20-30 minute ordeal instead of a 3 minute tank of gas on my way to work.

Cheesus ,

That’s fair. Charging infrastructure isn’t ready if you can’t charge at home

buzz86us , (edited )

Were waiting for the next wave of $25k EV since there is no hope that the tariffs on the only country with enough scale to build affordable EV is on a 100% tariff.

JIMMERZ ,

Too expensive. Not owner repairable. Too much unnecessary tech baked in.

There’s a path forward for EV’s, but I don’t think the current philosophy is it.

Petter1 ,

Dacia spring has no unnecessary tech 😍 and is cheap

But, it is small 😂🤷🏻‍♀️ big enough for my family, at least.

andrewth09 ,

Coming to the US never

Petter1 ,

😂 I don’t plan to go to US anytime soon

Ibuthyr ,

Me neither, but this is an article about Americans.

Petter1 ,

True that…

Grippler ,

Just hope you’re never involved in an accident, Dacias (both EV and ICE) have abysmal safety ratings.

Petter1 ,

I know 😇 and thank you for that good wish ❤️

I already had an accident, where someone drove into the back of my car. Luckily nothing happened to me and his endurance paid me for a new Spring 😁

Cost of repair would have be been about half of the price of the car itself. But I know, that the endurance somehow sold my wreck after all (had forgotten to disable tracking and was able to see the location of the old car 😂)

terminhell ,

Where I live, there’s one charging station. And it’s like 8 miles or so from my house. I’ve yet to see more. It’s also a fairly rural area. I think we forget how much population lives outside cities.

Petter1 ,

You don’t have electricity in your house??

MrAlternateTape , (edited )

Of course he does. But a standard house power connection does not deliver the amount of power you need to charge a car.

So you need to build a charging pole at your house if you want to charge ar home. Which is another investment.

And if you are in a somewhat remote area and there are not many charging poles around you, you are also very limited in how far and how fast you can travel.

So there really is no point investing in a charging pole and an EV car if the car is not capable of doing to the same things that a gas car can do.

EDIT: thanks for the responses. I’m still not convinced that electric is a good option for me, but some issues seem to be fixed or not as bad as I thought.

Still, within my price range it will take a while before I can pay one.

LordKitsuna ,

The problem here is that you think the only viable method to charge an electric vehicle is a level 2 or above charger. The average person, even in more rural areas, generally drives less than 60 miles in a day. Which is something that can be recouped overnight with a standard 15 amp outlet. And that’s assuming it’s only plugged in for 8 hours. Most people’s cars sit idle at home much longer than that. You don’t even need to go Fancy with a dryer Outlet much less a level2 charger.

Unless you’re somewhat remote area is over 200 mi from the nearest charger the majority of electric vehicles will get you there without you having to drive like a grandma. As many of them have somewhere on the order of 250 to 280 miles of range on a full charge now.

Maggoty ,

It depends on the circuit in the garage and people need to check. But trickle charging overnight is entirely feasible for many people.

AA5B ,

Or I got a fairly cheap set of adapters that also work for 240v dryer/power tool, and RV outlets. I ought to be able to charge by y vehicle pretty much everywhere

Petter1 ,

Well, it is enough for my car… You don’t need 50kW if you charge over Night (same Like you don’t need fast charge g, if you charge your phone over night)

Hugh_Jeggs ,

Remember the yanks have pink fluffy girly 110v electricity. They’ve only just been told about kettles and they think a microwave is a cooking device

Petter1 ,

Yea, but normally you can draw about 15 amps compared to the 10 amps typically allowed un EU. 110v x 15A = more then 1.5kW which should totally be enough to charge over night (maybe blug it in every night)

DinosaurSr ,

I just learned that you can steam broccoli in the microwave and it’s such a time saver!

Burn_The_Right , (edited )

Um, excuse me, sir! It’s called a microwave oven for a reason thankyouverymuch!

AA5B , (edited )

It’s nowhere near as bad as you think. A level 2 charger is essentially an electric stove circuit, and the chargers are only a few hundred dollars. I had to do both this year and there really wasn’t a significant cost difference. I charge once or twice a week for a couple hours. It’s quite reasonable to install a level 2 charger if you have a single family house with off street parking

Or for like $150, I got a full set of adapters to charge pretty much everywhere. In addition to a regular outlet, I can plug into a 240v dryer/powertool/heater/ac outlet, or an RV outlet for a faster charge.

While I do have many charging stations nearby (and I’ll bet that’s far more common in the population than people who don’t), with a home charger, I’ve never had the need to use a public charger less than 100 miles from here

Silentiea ,
@Silentiea@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

My car is plugged in to a normal power outlet in my garage. As long as it’s not sharing a circuit with a stove or ac compressor or something it’ll be fine, and even if it is you could work around that.

EngineerGaming ,
@EngineerGaming@feddit.nl avatar

IDK about houses, but this would be the case for people in apartment buildings. What should you do? Not even joke about “lowering a cord from your window” because it’s not guaranteed that your street parking is near your windows!

andrewth09 ,

My co-worker has an electric car and lives in an apartment without a charger. Luckily our office has a few chargers and he only needs to charge it once or twice a week. If he really needed it he could charge at a public fast charger somewhere else in town, but he tries to avoid that.

AA5B ,

Yeah, my office has a couple free chargers. It’s really not worth the fuss for me since I can charge at home and it’s a short commute but I’m happy to see there’s always a queue

Petter1 ,

Yes, of course, but in remote areas you very rarely have apartment buildings, as I recall.

DeprecatedCompatV2 ,

That is not accurate. There are plenty of apartment buildings far away from commercial areas. They can be surrounded by rural areas or suburban areas (SFH zoning).

Petter1 ,

😮 and there are no changes at such remote apartment places?

DeprecatedCompatV2 ,

Why would there be? Electric cars are luxury items bought by people who own homes.

dinckelman ,

My entire city currently has 30 charging ports in total, half of which are either in private locations, malls, paid parking, or singular charging station spots in obscure places.

I’m not opposed to EVs at all, but the infrastructure is just not there. Not to mention the abysmal price of these

ohlaph ,

It definitely has nothing to do with the outrageous starting price range.

retrospectology , (edited )
@retrospectology@lemmy.world avatar

Yup, American manufacturers are still treating EVs as if they’re this exotic new toy for upper-middle class people or silicon valley douche bros, rather than getting onboard with the concept of them just being a utilitarian thing that needs to be marketed to normal people.

Give me the EV equivalent of the Geo Metro and I’ll buy it in a heart beat. I’m not taking out a second mortgage for a car that tries to drive itself and whatever dumb gimmicks they come up with, but I will 100% buy an affordable, practical EV designed with efficiency and economy in mind.

ohlaph ,

I’m with you. I ended up just buying a used gas vehicle because the others are just too expensive.

Maggoty ,

2026 Bolt could change that. Hopefully the ultium system is fixed up by then. Also base model Volvo EX30s are going to come from Belgium to maintain their mid 30’s price point.

What we really need is the government to make a grant or low interest loan available to anyone with a parking lot and an electrical hookup to put in fast chargers. Everything from libraries to gas stations.

BehindTheBarrier ,

It is not a defense of the manufacturers, but EVs are still damn expensive to make. And they are completely at fault for that too, because everyone except Tesla dragged their feet about making the EV transition.

AA5B ,

Right, and worse. After years of dragging their feet, broadcasting FUD to discourage potential customers, they try to all release premium priced cars at once to now uncertain customers. And priced well above their initial announcements. Of course their naive predictions of ridiculous growth didn’t pan out. They’re not just guilty of dragging their feet, but screwing up when they finally tried it.

And what the heck is wrong with GM? The second biggest American seller of EVs, and they drop what has been working, to make the same mistake as everyone else. And wtf were they thinking about piling on with dropping CarPlay and claiming they can do better: wtf, we e seen what you can do, that’s why everyone wants CarPlay. Oh, and I’m sure all this talk about subscriptions is really going to bring in the buyers

Etterra ,

If my - or any other - complex had charging stations, I’d consider it. The most I’d ever be able to get is a hybrid, if I wasn’t so dirt-ass poor that an old and busted used car was the best that I could afford, because I’m disabled and live in friggin America.

captain_aggravated ,
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

Can anyone name me one that is a normal fucking car? With a little dial that tells you how fast you’re going that isn’t an LCD display that can’t be read in direct sunlight connected to an internet connected computer that will never get OS updates? With a gear shift lever that moves forward and back or up and down to select park, reverse and drive, not a nipple in the glove box to lick for “Forward,” a knob on the ceiling labeled “H” and to put it in reverse you honk the word REVERSE on the horn? Where the doors have handles that you pull on to open that look like door handles, and locks that have cylinders that accept keys?

galbraith ,

The only ones I’ve found close to this is bz4x or soltera. Which is why I got it. But no drive shaft really sucks and confuses the heck out of me when I have to drive my outback around.

PlantJam ,

Volkswagen E-golf seems to fit your description.

Incendiro ,

Been Driving one for almost 6 years and I gotta tell you the car is awesome. Sadly the battery-capacity is a bit dated. Depends on the use-case tho. Another negative point is the limited charging speed. In comparison to „modern“ EVs it‘s rather slow

Dark_Arc ,
@Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg avatar

Seems they’re discontinued?

PlantJam ,

Yes, the used ones are still pretty good though. I think the ID3 and ID4 are the successors to the eGolf.

Senshi ,

Id2 is the actual successor. It’s planned to be the first VW “affordable” EV with a starting price below 25000 euros when it releases in 2025. At least they now try to target the budget market, but I’d never recommend a VW. They have done so much bad quality cars since the late 90s…

Maggoty ,

The 2023 Chevy Bolt I drove for a week had normal controls.

olympicyes ,

I think most people in the market for an EV know that all the manufacturers are changing the charging port to the Tesla NACS standard next year. Range anxiety is still the biggest issue for EV adoption and the supercharger network is the only practical option right now. Tesla hasn’t innovated in a while and current Tesla owners are put off by Musk’s antics. I’d personally wait a year to see what the options are.

gamermanh ,

Range anxiety is still the biggest issue for EV adoption

Only because people keep making false claims like:

the supercharger network is the only practical option right now

olympicyes ,

True enough to get the industry in North America to move off vanilla ccs.

LordSinguloth ,

Because the most environmentally friendly car, is the one you already own.

Producing ev is heavy strain on the climate. This change won’t happen overnight.

Ev needs to be better and cheaper if it wants to defeat the ice market.

Maggoty ,

We have to switch at some point. We can’t just keep making ICE cars and saying the next generation will be electric.

buzz86us , (edited )

It already is better and cheaper, but we have regressive tariffs on the country producing them.

Kayday ,

I’ve been saying since EVs hit the market that I couldn’t wait for them to be cheap enough used for me to justify purchasing one. That hasn’t happened yet. Most I’ve ever spent on a car was $7k.

AA5B ,

For sure, we can’t expect a good used EV market until we establish a strong new EV market.

Cyberjin ,

Americans probably don’t want to buy those Chinese EVs that poorly made and dangerous

youtu.be/8HpkDUWAKFM

TheFonz ,

Would be nice if they made ‘dumb’ EVs. Like the kind where even the windows are manual old school roll up. I don’t need to walk into a spaceship to drive to get groceries. But all they’re selling are luxury spaceships. For all the good Tesla did to rebrand the market, I feel it also did a lot of harm by creating an incentive for luxury vehicles.

CookieOfFortune ,

Feel like this is what Fisker should’ve tried. The Ocean had the right hardware but it seemed like they spent too much effort on their infotainment instead of getting the basics right. Then target the sub-$30k market with a car that drives well with decent range and fewer gimmicks that just works.

buzz86us ,

That’s what the PEAR would’ve been

GooseFinger ,

No one’s mentioned the privacy nightmare that new vehicles are. Why anyone would pay $45k for a vehicle that spies on you for the sole benefit of car manufacturers and insurance companies is beyond me. Do away with all the unnecessary privacy violations, or pay ME a monthly subscription for MY data.

Drewski ,

Yep, this is the reason I won’t get an EV or any modern car. Probably gonna be driving 2016 cars or older the rest of my life.

EngineerGaming , (edited )
@EngineerGaming@feddit.nl avatar

I am uncomfortable with this as a permanent solution because new cars of today are old cars of tomorrow. Apparently at least in some vehicles, the telematics module is possible to remove with loss of some functionality - seen some videos and posts on that. I think we need an iFixit-like database comparing vehicles on that front - how easy is the unit to remove and what functions it affects. To be fair, the ones I’ve seen were on newer gas vehicles, so idk if EVs usually have that integrated tighter.

Drewski ,

Yeah it’s not my ideal solution either, but I don’t see modern cars getting any better on privacy. If some manufacturer made a stripped down, privacy preserving car I’d be all about it.

EngineerGaming ,
@EngineerGaming@feddit.nl avatar

I don’t see them getting better either - so at least I, maybe because I am not educated enough, think the solution is also in learning to rip out the privacy invasions rather than waiting for regulation or privacy-conscious models.

lightnsfw ,

The problem is they integrate that shit with the functions you do want like the radio and AC and then make you operate it all through a god damn touchscreen so that if you get on the highway before you realize you forgot to turn the shitty lane assist off you now have to take your life in your hands to disable it or risk it ramming you into that ladder or pothole or something because it doesn’t want you to change lanes abruptly.

EngineerGaming ,
@EngineerGaming@feddit.nl avatar

I mean the cell modem specifically. But yea, the touchscreens are also a problem.

TheOSINTguy ,

A used car that has physical gauges and knobs that’s $5000 + $1500 in preventive maintenance can actually make a decent vehicle. Plus doing the maintenance yourself can teach you a lot about working on cars.

AA5B ,

This is not specific to EVs, but is most cars from the last decade or two

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