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ohlaph ,

It definitely has nothing to do with the outrageous starting price range.

retrospectology , (edited )
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Yup, American manufacturers are still treating EVs as if they’re this exotic new toy for upper-middle class people or silicon valley douche bros, rather than getting onboard with the concept of them just being a utilitarian thing that needs to be marketed to normal people.

Give me the EV equivalent of the Geo Metro and I’ll buy it in a heart beat. I’m not taking out a second mortgage for a car that tries to drive itself and whatever dumb gimmicks they come up with, but I will 100% buy an affordable, practical EV designed with efficiency and economy in mind.

ohlaph ,

I’m with you. I ended up just buying a used gas vehicle because the others are just too expensive.

Maggoty ,

2026 Bolt could change that. Hopefully the ultium system is fixed up by then. Also base model Volvo EX30s are going to come from Belgium to maintain their mid 30’s price point.

What we really need is the government to make a grant or low interest loan available to anyone with a parking lot and an electrical hookup to put in fast chargers. Everything from libraries to gas stations.

BehindTheBarrier ,

It is not a defense of the manufacturers, but EVs are still damn expensive to make. And they are completely at fault for that too, because everyone except Tesla dragged their feet about making the EV transition.

AA5B ,

Right, and worse. After years of dragging their feet, broadcasting FUD to discourage potential customers, they try to all release premium priced cars at once to now uncertain customers. And priced well above their initial announcements. Of course their naive predictions of ridiculous growth didn’t pan out. They’re not just guilty of dragging their feet, but screwing up when they finally tried it.

And what the heck is wrong with GM? The second biggest American seller of EVs, and they drop what has been working, to make the same mistake as everyone else. And wtf were they thinking about piling on with dropping CarPlay and claiming they can do better: wtf, we e seen what you can do, that’s why everyone wants CarPlay. Oh, and I’m sure all this talk about subscriptions is really going to bring in the buyers

buzz86us , (edited )

Were waiting for the next wave of $25k EV since there is no hope that the tariffs on the only country with enough scale to build affordable EV is on a 100% tariff.

TheFonz ,

Would be nice if they made ‘dumb’ EVs. Like the kind where even the windows are manual old school roll up. I don’t need to walk into a spaceship to drive to get groceries. But all they’re selling are luxury spaceships. For all the good Tesla did to rebrand the market, I feel it also did a lot of harm by creating an incentive for luxury vehicles.

CookieOfFortune ,

Feel like this is what Fisker should’ve tried. The Ocean had the right hardware but it seemed like they spent too much effort on their infotainment instead of getting the basics right. Then target the sub-$30k market with a car that drives well with decent range and fewer gimmicks that just works.

buzz86us ,

That’s what the PEAR would’ve been

LordSinguloth ,

Because the most environmentally friendly car, is the one you already own.

Producing ev is heavy strain on the climate. This change won’t happen overnight.

Ev needs to be better and cheaper if it wants to defeat the ice market.

Maggoty ,

We have to switch at some point. We can’t just keep making ICE cars and saying the next generation will be electric.

buzz86us , (edited )

It already is better and cheaper, but we have regressive tariffs on the country producing them.

RandomGuy79 ,

Cant charge it myself, doesn’t last long enough, dies when it’s too cold

ButtermilkBiscuit ,

Not to mention, 5 years in after you’ve invested in the power improvements to your house to allow charging, if your battery fails I guess fuck you? $20k to keep rolling lol. Think that’s part of why the used market is showing huge depreciation for EVs. No one wants to spend 20k for a used vehicle with a ticking time bomb 20k repair guaranteed some time in the future.

gamermanh ,
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5 years in

Batteries last far longer than that, to the point where every warranty I’ve seen is 10 years minimum

Etterra ,

If my - or any other - complex had charging stations, I’d consider it. The most I’d ever be able to get is a hybrid, if I wasn’t so dirt-ass poor that an old and busted used car was the best that I could afford, because I’m disabled and live in friggin America.

jackiechan ,

Money. That’s the answer

sem ,

Buy an EV? In this economy?

msage ,

Buy an EV ything? In this economy?

Cyberjin ,

Americans probably don’t want to buy those Chinese EVs that poorly made and dangerous

youtu.be/8HpkDUWAKFM

technocrit ,

Because they’re an unsustainable con for saving the auto/oil cartels instead of the planet/humanity?

Instead of going into poverty buying a luxury vehicle, people should be given safe and sustainable infrastructure for LEVs, bikes, pedestrians, and of course public transit.

cmnybo ,

Of course there aren’t many people buying EVs when the only ones available in the US are high end luxury models.

Import a bunch of those cheap Chinese EVs and lots of people will buy them. It won’t hurt the US manufacturers because they don’t produce any budget models.

mister_monster ,

It will hurt US manufacturers, because their budget gasoline cars won’t sell.

meco03211 ,

And they’ll spend more money fighting the inevitable pivot to EVs than they would if they just pivoted now.

ShepherdPie ,

There’s the Nissan Leaf, Chevy Bolt/Spark, Mini Cooper EV, Hyundai Kona/Ioniq 6, Fiat 500e and more. These qualify for subsidies if purchased new plus all the gas savings make them decently affordable or you can always buy them used as most people do.

Most people are going for the midrange models like the Model Y, Model 3, Ioniq 5, etc though since it’s not really ideal to buy the ‘worst’ version of something when making a large purchase. People want more range, space, and features. Even with ICE cars, the subcompacts sell/sold pretty poorly.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

These qualify for subsidies if purchased new

They also qualify if purchased used. I’m looking at Bolts priced at $13-17k after the used EV credit. That’s pretty decent, I just need to go test drive a couple and make it happen.

But that only works because I’m replacing a commuter. It would be a non-starter for a family car because the maximum range is our minimum distance between stops at gas stations on road trips. We recently drove >800 miles each way on a road trip to visit family. On gas, that took us 12-13 hours. With an EV, I don’t think we could make it in a day, even if recharges took 20-30 min (and that’s a pretty big if, because the fast charging network isn’t great).

kent_eh ,

Import a bunch of those cheap Chinese EVs and lots of people will buy them

Or start building affordable EVs here.

Back in the 70s when Toyota, Datsun, Honda etc started eating the big 3’s lunch on affordable fuel efficient vehicles, they responded with smaller cars of their own.

If they’re not willing to respond to market demand and competition, do they even deserve to stay in business?

Isn’t that what the “free market” they claim to love enforces?

SpikesOtherDog ,

I would love to own one, but the investment is too great right now. All I want is something repairable that will drive, have cool air, and play music over Bluetooth.

autotldr Bot ,

This is the best summary I could come up with:

Washington has set out an industrial policy that hits Chinese manufacturers of cars, batteries and other components with punitive tariffs and restricts federal tax incentives for consumers buying their products.

The administration is attempting to reconcile its industrial and climate policies by offering tax incentives to consumers to buy EVs and by encouraging manufacturers to develop US-dominated supply chains.

According to data analyzed by the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), a Washington think-tank, US-based carmakers have been importing a growing share of their batteries from China.

Ilaria Mazzocco, chair in Chinese business and economics at CSIS, says the reduced competition and rising cost of imported battery components could delay price decreases for US consumers.

Bozzella says that even with the tariff protection measures and US subsidies in place, he was unsure how long it would take for the US auto industry to produce EVs that could compete with heavily subsidized Chinese vehicles on pricing.

Van Jackson, previously an official in the Obama administration and now a senior lecturer in international relations at Victoria University of Wellington in New Zealand, says electric cars still need to fall in price if the market is to grow substantially.

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