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Google Chrome’s plan to limit ad blocking extensions kicks off next week

Reminder to switch browsers if you haven’t already!

  • Google Chrome is starting to phase out older, more capable ad blocking extensions in favor of the more limited Manifest V3 system.
  • The Manifest V3 system has been criticized by groups like the Electronic Frontier Foundation for restricting the capabilities of web extensions.
  • Google has made concessions to Manifest V3, but limitations on content filtering remain a source of skepticism and concern.
iAvicenna ,
@iAvicenna@lemmy.world avatar

what chrome? haven’t used that in ages

asteriskeverything ,

I’m sorry. I’ve seen this so many times today and I can’t stand it anymore.

I hate this article photo. What the fuck is that shit?? Gloveless fingers? Digit warmer? Turtlefinger sweater?

JackFrostNCola ,

Finger sweatbands for epic googling activities

OutlierBlue ,

The 80s are back! Sweatbands for everyone!

Rai ,

Agreed, but also

How can you not kinda love it

machineLearner ,

i’m with you it’s really camp

tvbusy ,

I use Firefox everywhere which means I have ads blocking everywhere, including and especially on Android. All my tabs are synced and are easily transferred between devices.

Scrollone ,

If we want to be honest, Firefox on Android has way worse performance than Chrome.

(But I still use it instead of Chrome)

Appoxo ,

I use both on a Pixel 7 Pro.
Can’t confirm that.

Macros ,

I use it on a Pixel 5 and even there it is fluid while browsing. Only on Youtube there is the slightest stutter for HD Videos. Heavy sites like Discourse fora or Cryptpad or such work flawlessly.

brbposting ,

TIL Cryptpad.fr is just one instance apparently

Yeah wow nice that’s fantastic

sheogorath ,

I use both on a Galaxy Fold 5 and can confirm Chromium based browsers are smoother. Although I still use Waterfox on my phone. I just keep a Chromium based browsers in case a website doesn’t work when I visited it using Waterfox.

tvbusy ,

It depends I think. I found Chrome to be a tiny bit faster but then ads bogged the page down so most of the time, Firefox is faster for me.

In some very rare cases when I need to disable ads blocking, Chrome is indeed faster but I’d rather abandon websites rather than disable ads blocking.

So if you love ads, Chrome is better. If you hate ads like I do, Firefox is miles ahead.

JWBananas ,
@JWBananas@lemmy.world avatar

There are other ways to block ads. Adguard does a great job on Android. It establishes a local VPN, so it can do HTTP[S] content filtering in addition to DNS blocking.

ArcaneSlime ,

Can’t use my VPN and adguard at the same time iirc, unless android has two active VPN “slots” now. Can’t bring a pihole with me 24/7 either as much as I would like to.

Cyberpunk3000 ,

There’s always nextdns.io that can be configured to use ad blocking filters on the dns level. You can set it up on your phone as well

ArcaneSlime ,

Can I use it in conjunction with my normal VPN? AFAIK android has only one active VPN slot available at a time.

Cyberpunk3000 ,

Yes because there is no need to setup another VPN. You only configure the DNS settings (Private DNS). I know that Mullvad on PC has an option to use custom DNS server

ArcaneSlime ,

Ok cool thanks, I’ll check it out!

foggenbooty ,

Ive been using Firefox on Android for years but it really needs some TLC. It doesn’t support scaling to a tablet/desktop UI at all so it doesn’t work well in DeX or anything larger than a phone. I also recently had to swap to Brave because I noticed Firefox was draining a lot of battery all of a sudden. There’s some kind of leak or running process that isn’t sleeping properly. In a few months I’ll re-install and try again.

GregorGizeh ,

While I dont use Firefox itself any more I am using librewolf on my PC, which sadly doesnt exist for phones yet. Also, GOS comes with its own privacy oriented chromium fork called vanadium, so I’m using that in the mean time.

Nelots , (edited )

I’ve found the Mull browser (which can be found through the DivestOS repository on F-Droid) works great as a privacy-focused firefox fork, similar to LibreWolf. I hear Fennic F-Droid is also a pretty good but less extreme alternative, but I’d imagine you don’t care much about that if you use LibreWolf.

a_wild_mimic_appears ,

I also use librewolf and have settled for iceraven on my phone. the list of installable extensions is much longer (even if not everything is working yet, depending on how far mozilla has come along) and it has about:config support, which gives me a pretty close approximation of my desktop browser.

FiniteBanjo ,

They already don’t let you add ublock origin to chrome on mobile. I had to teach my elderly mother to use Waterfox with the extension, but as a plus side she can now turn on desktop-site and and turn the screen off without interrupting her hokey crystal meditation flute music [3 hours].

snownyte ,

Can’t care, I’m on Firefox and LibreWolf. Google Chrome is only used when I need to go on some sites that don’t somehow operate correctly on Firefox to pay bills with.

werefreeatlast ,

Last fuck up I installed Firefox. I left chrome in place. It’s finally time to remove chrome.

Phegan ,

Firefox is a good option.

But I will raise people one more. Waterfox. Been using it for over a year now and enjoy it.

tal , (edited )
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

Firefox’s marketshare is small enough relative to Chrome’s that some websites might just block it at this point, if Chrome users mean ad revenue and Firefox users don’t.

gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share

Firefox has 2.88% marketshare.

Chrome has 65.34% marketshare.

It’s gonna be interesting to see what happens…

taiyang ,

It doesn’t necessary cost a meaningful amount to a site to allow Firefox users to view it; it does however cost to make it compatible with non-chromium browsers. For most viewing that’s a non issue (I mean, most crms are going to work) but specific sites might stop working (YouTube already got caught throttling firefox, and tbf, streaming would cost more than reading an article or something).

AWittyUsername ,

User agent switcher

Rai ,

Based and incognito private mode pilled

Spotlight7573 ,

My worry is what the EU changes might mean for the mobile web and beyond. With iOS’s market share and only the same rendering engine Apple used in Safari being available, sites/apps had to support more than just Chrome. If forcing iOS users to Chrome is an option (either through pointing them to the browser or an app built with that rendering engine), then there’s even less of an incentive to test with anything else. It’s great that users get more choice but if providers use it as an opportunity to reduce support for other browsers then it might not be a great benefit after all.

Rai ,

Firefox and WebKit for all!

GregorGizeh ,

The numbers may be indicative of the general trend, but every single privacy oriented browser and so forth is spoofing the user agent, pretending to be the most widespread and popular os and browser.

Which is why privacy checks on my Linux+librewolf PC return win10 with chrome.

gila ,

Firefox blocks statcounter tracking by default. It’s an inherently flawed metric, though Firefox is definitely in the minority still vs Chrome

illi ,

I did have some issues on firefox om some sites.

tooLikeTheNope , (edited )

But I will raise people one more. Waterfox

Never heard of it, I prefer LibreWolf
librewolf.net/-is-librewolf

but I’m gonna list some other popular forks

TOR Browser (anti-censorship enhanced fork, bundled with TOR network)
www.torproject.org

GNUzilla IceCat (GNU version)
www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/

Pale Moon (able to use old XUL based extensions)
www.palemoon.org

Mullvad Browser (a security hardened fork, IIRC based on TOR, made by Mullvad VPN company)
mullvad.net/en/browser

ANDROID (Fennec/Fenix)

Fennec F-Droid (Fennec version available on F-Droid, clean of propietary blobs)
f-droid.org/packages/org.mozilla.fennec_fdroid/
gitlab.com/relan/fennecbuild

Mull (hardened fork of Fenix)
gitlab.com/divested-mobile/mull-fenix

IceRaven (yet another hardened fork of Fenix, able to install an extended list of extensions)
github.com/fork-maintainers/iceraven-browser

Etterra ,

Meanwhile, Firefox.

PopOfAfrica ,

I really like KDEs Falkon browser, based on QT web.

But it having no extension support kind of kills it for me…

AnActOfCreation OP ,
@AnActOfCreation@programming.dev avatar

What engine does it use?

Ephera ,

It’s Chromium under the hood.

Funnily, KDE’s early KHTML engine got forked into WebKit, which got forked into Blink, which is at the heart of Chromium. So, we’ve gone full circle…

Scrollone ,

kHTML, that’s a name I haven’t heard in a long time

I feel old

ColdWater ,
@ColdWater@lemmy.ca avatar

Oh no, anyway

sugar_in_your_tea ,

I use Firefox and Brave at work. I need a Chromium-based browser, and Brave’s ad-blocker works, otherwise I would be Firefox only.

HonorableScythe ,

I’d be glad to switch back to Firefox, but websites straight up don’t work on it anymore. That was the only reason I went to Chrome.

fuzzzerd ,

What websites? I use Firefox as my daily driver on desktop and mobile, and I rarely run into problems. Like so infrequently that I don’t even remember the last time.

TexasDrunk ,

Same. My Dark Reader doesn’t always show websites properly but Firefox hasn’t let me down in ages.

QuestionMark ,

Some websites display warnings even though everything works fine, like web.skype.com. But that’s the closest thing to doesn’t work I’ve ever seen on Firefox.

EtherWhack , (edited )
@EtherWhack@lemmy.world avatar

They are around… Try this one: (www.starbirdchicken.com/starbird-chicken-menu)

I was curious of what their menu looked like as I have one by my work. Haven’t checked it on desktop, but on Android, the menu items never get loaded. ($10-12 for an á la carte chicken sandwich from a fast casual place is a ripoff anyway)

Edit: It looks like it’s the mobile site/formatting that is broken. Using desktop mode lets the menu items come onto screen. (Firefox 126.01 on a pixel8pro with Android 14) The same issue seems to also be present with chrome under my work account.

I still argue that they are present, as I had to with it doing taxes a couple months ago. (Just not going to give those sites away)

Metz ,

works flawless here on Android 14 with Firefox 126.0.1. not tested desktop yet.

Womble ,

Works perfectly for me on desktop with firefox

airglow ,

No problems loading that page on Firefox for Android or desktop for me. Are you using Firefox or a fork of Firefox? Do you have any extensions or about:config changes that may be affecting the page rendering?

grue ,

That’s a reason to insist on Firefox even harder. Fuck those websites!

viking ,
@viking@infosec.pub avatar

I’ve yet to find a single website that doesn’t work in Firefox.

cmnybo ,

There are some sites out there that won’t work. ESC Configurator won’t work in Firefox because it needs web serial to program an ESC connected over a serial port. That’s the only site I use that I have to run in chrome. I’m sure there are more out there, but they are not very common.

brbposting ,

I encourage those in this situation to do their small, small part in fighting for the future of the open web by only switching to Chrome when necessary.

Which is almost never in my daily life!

Tag365 ,
@Tag365@lemmy.world avatar

How do we combat Google Chrome being Internet Explorer 2.0?

exanime ,

I have never encountered this… Do you have an example, just curious

vext01 ,
@vext01@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Which sites? Been using Firefox since forever and all is well.

HonorableScythe ,

Last I tried, I had serious issues using it on Comcast’s billing pages and Quest Diagnostic’s site, among others. The pages would not load at all until I went to Chrome.

ech ,

Oh no! Wait, I don’t use that shit because of shit like this.

JoMiran ,
@JoMiran@lemmy.ml avatar

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/8f2012e6-830e-4773-a982-210b9eae0f76.jpeg

Bolt ,

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/11186b68-0267-428d-b16e-9a329916c324.png

dumbass ,
@dumbass@leminal.space avatar

After bingeing that show, I have a constant fear that he’s been standing behind me the whole time, just waiting for me to catch a glimpse of him.

brbposting ,

Been here since Kevin helped the project out?

https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/2c90b694-0114-4ccd-8ad0-8568fb9e6b2b.jpeg

Tag365 ,
@Tag365@lemmy.world avatar

Now we gotta have websites developing for all web browsers instead of Google Chrome like it’s Internet Explorer 2.0.

grue ,

There are effectively only two web browsers: Chrome and Firefox. Literally everything else, aside from some really niche things that can’t render modern webpages, is a fork of one of those two that uses the same rendering engine.

QuestionMark ,

What about Apple’s WebKit? Does it count?

grue ,

Nope, it doesn’t count. The only reason Safari/WebKit isn’t considered a fork of Chrome/Blink is that Chrome/Blink is a fork of Safari/WebKit instead.

brbposting ,

So it wasn’t, like, forked hard enough that now after the years it counts as a different browser? Expect it to render pages ‘n’ stuff pretty much like Chrome?

grue ,

I admit, I haven’t really looked into it. It’s possible Apple implemented new HTML/CSS/JS standards independently, but it’s also possible that Apple continued to backport Google’s changes. Unless they had a business goal of being independent (or NIH syndrome) I would guess that they’d do mostly the latter, but you’d have to go read the code to know for sure.

They are definitely still more related to each other than either is to Gecko (which is to say, not related at all), though.

bdonvr ,

I’m sure they’ve diverged enough for it to be pretty significant compared to the Chromium browsers

ripcord ,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

They’ve been separate for over a decade, and even before that they were heavily customizing it. They’re cousins, but absolutely not close enough at this point to be considered the same.

barsoap ,

You mean KHMTL, born in KDE’s Konqueror. That spawned WebKit (Safari), that spawned Blink (Chrome, Edge, Opera, etc). The whole thing then finally came full-circle when Konqueror dropped KHTML due to lack of development, now you have the choice between WebKit and Blink (via Qt WebEngine).

Then there’s Gecko (Firefox) and Servo which had a near-death experience after Mozilla integrated half of it into Gecko but by now development is alive and kicking again. Oh and then there’s lynx, using libwww, tracing its lineage back straight to Tim Berners Lee.

ripcord ,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

No, they don’t mean KHTML. KHTML is an ancestor of WebKit and Blink, but WebKit forked from it over 2 decades ago. They meant WebKit.

barsoap ,

They also didn’t mean lynx and yet I mentioned it. How come? Might the distinct possibility exist that I used the opportunity to draw a wider picture, and “you mean X” has to be understood as internet brain-rot rhetorics, not literally?

Just a suggestion.

PopOfAfrica ,

Not to toot the kagi Horn, but they are talking about releasing thier webkit based Orion Browser on Linux. Ive been following that one closely since it has firefox extension support.

grue ,

I mean, if folks really want something like that, I’d say they shouldn’t have let KDE’s KHTML (which is what WebKit was forked from) die. But as I’ve said elsewhere in this thread, KHTML→WebKit→Blink are related and thus fail to combat Google’s web hegemony the way that Gecko (Firefox) does.

breakingcups ,

I’ve become very skeptical of anything Kagi, wishing they’d just focused on making one thing good instead of getting distracted by mediocre AI and a browser they can’t realistically support while their search is still subpar. Illusions of grandeur.

GregorGizeh ,

Iirc the browser is older than their search engine. If anything that is their og product

PopOfAfrica , (edited )

Subpar Search?

ripcord ,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah, wtf is he/she talking about there :)

ripcord ,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

And safari, although it’s a cousin/uncle to Chrome at this point.

Not that I use it, but still.

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