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phoenixz ,

Just install Linux already, get rid of this Microshit crap

nobleshift ,
@nobleshift@lemmy.world avatar

Ow My Balls

dirthawker0 ,

Question: if you skipped signing in to Microsoft when you set up Windows, does this f’upgrade still happen?

menixator ,

At this point I’m convinced that the new windows feature announcements are just ads for linux

Harbinger01173430 ,

*Ads for MacOS/chromeos

TankovayaDiviziya ,

I don’t see any enshitiffication features and ads in Windows 11 that Lemmy and tech news are reporting. I wonder if it’s because I’m in the EU.

Kroxx ,

They may have not implemented it yet. I see a lot of things reported that they are still testing.

AVengefulAxolotl ,

Yeah, the start menu ads were / are ‘only’ in the beta build.

Syn_Attck ,

New features get released into the developer preview. It’s basically beta test windows. It’s what the tech sites watch to see what new features/etc have been added/removed/changed. Usually they end up making it into the release builds, but sometimes they end up not doing it, or the change doesn’t apply to certain regions.

feinstruktur ,
@feinstruktur@lemmy.ml avatar

Autodesk! All the others! Can you now, goddammit, for the sake of the mental health of your customers, start building your tools on platforms other than this crap? PLEASE? I mean I’m seriously considering building a parallel system running Linux for all my other office needs and just touch my Win-pc to run my CAD. I hope MS will continue in this way and ai-mercialize their OS more and more so hopefully the software providers will have enough at one point.

trxxruraxvr ,

At that point you might as well just use a windows VM for CAD. With desktop integration you hardly have to notice you’re using windows.

feinstruktur ,
@feinstruktur@lemmy.ml avatar

I’ve certainly considered that, but have a hard time imagining a comparable performance with large assemblies. Any hands-on experiences?

trxxruraxvr ,

I have used a windows vm at a previous job for a closed source IDE we were required to use. I’ve never used AutoCAD, so I’m afraid I can’t help you there.

31337 ,

I’ve used FreeCAD for hobby 3d printing and plywood CNC projects. It seemed buggy, and the workflow seemed strange, but I’ve never used anything else, so it’s fine, I guess, lol.

feinstruktur ,
@feinstruktur@lemmy.ml avatar

FreeCAD is of course the tool of choice for my hobby projects. All of our workgroup’s students get an introduction. But while its a great tool, you’ll notice the lack of … management (?) in the background. I’m not bashing or even judging. I very much appreciate all the work put into it. But it’s simply … not there yet to be considered a serious alternative to one of the big players.

Resol ,
@Resol@lemmy.world avatar

I guess the family computer will be entirely useless to everyone else in the house but me.

psud ,

Now that Linux can run pretty much all the games I play on the PC I don’t think I’m going to have much use for windows at home anymore

Harbinger01173430 ,

May I suggest getting a mini PC if the home PC is going to be used by everyone else at home?

Mio ,

Microsoft got to much time on their hands. Can they please work on the more important stuff like completing the transition from controlpanel to settings?

TheGrandNagus ,

By the time they do that, they’ll have introduced a third settings app, and only four options from the current Win8/8.1/10/11 one will have been ported to it.

dch82 ,

After Apple creates an iPad calculator probably…

Squizzy ,

They’re researching how to make a calculator great andndo it the apple way…

dch82 ,

Nah, it’s because the technology hasn’t reached that level of advancement.

Calculator: Now available for iPad (M10 with FP1 floating point coprocessor)

/s

LodeMike ,

No

spikederailed ,

Or make Teams a not piece of shit. Even worse they had teams on Linux in the past. Now have new teams and new outlook, which are just electron…give it back to Linux please.

spyd3r ,
@spyd3r@sh.itjust.works avatar

If anything, they need to revert back to control panel.

mintiefresh ,

There has to be a point of diminishing returns for them with this kind of behavior. This is just so aggravating.

A_Random_Idiot ,

I’d wager they are hoping to entrap as many people as they can on the platform, with their TPM restrictions, and store restrictions, and account restrictions, that sunk cost fallacy will keep the overwhelming bulk of people stuck in their web.

I’d also wager that enterprise probably doesnt have any of this bullshit

AlecSadler ,

Can confirm, I run enterprise at home and have yet to see some of these shenanigans I’ve seen posted.

But there’s still enough I hate about Windows 11 that I’m slowly transitioning to Linux and then just running windows in a VM for things there aren’t good alternatives for.

Shialac ,

So same strategy as Apple?

jf0314 ,

I tried building a Steam box with the bootleg version of SteamOS from the deck… Can’t remember the name of the distro. Steam Games ran great for the most part, but getting Epic, EA and Ubisoft to work was a nightmare. If Linux can get that sorted, I’d never use Windows again.

Traister101 ,

I mean doesn’t sound like you’re missing out on anything tbh

Kedly ,

I wanted to say this, but I mean, people can choose to consume garbage if they want

jf0314 ,

Right. Snob all you want, but I thoroughly enjoyed Div1 and 2. AC Origins was also a lot of fun, especially for someone that grew up fascinated by ancient Egypt.

Civ6 is on EGS… Battlefield 1and5 on EA, plus the Mass Effect series…

But hey… Those games are awful, right… The chi chamber is loud today.

Kedly ,

Are those games not available on Steam and GoG? And like I said, you do you. I cant stand EA and Epic, but everyone has their own lines in the sand that they will or wont cross. I specifically called EA and Epic garbage though, not the customers who’d be willing to do business with them

LodeMike ,

What games were you trying to play

Suburbanl3g3nd ,

Most EA and Ubisoft games I’ve played run fine on Deck. Just need to run the game in desktop mode first and then it boots in the Steam UI side of the OS just fine.

Secret300 ,

Yeah, it’s definitely better now then it was before believe it or not. I honestly just avoid them at all cost even on windows. I hate games that ship their own launcher even though I bought it on steam

CosmicCleric ,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

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jaemo ,

So, literally every game I’ve bought on steam is playable on my Manjaro box.

Additionally, a recent KDE6 upgrade messed up my config and necessitated a full system reinstall. After remounting the partition where my steam games were installed on in the old sys, they…just worked. Even the ones that don’t cloud sync, saved games all there, DLC all there.

I don’t know how long reinstalling ~1TB of games would take on windows… a lot? Pretty sure you have to fully reinstall them, not just “point steam to the drive where they live”

Frankly I just don’t see why people tolerate windows anymore. It’s just laughably bad.

jf0314 ,

Like I wrote, Steam games were generally good, other storefronts, not so much.

mint_tamas ,

I used to keep my steam games on a separate windows 10 partition and it worked exactly as you describe after a reinstall, it was all there. It’s still incredibly cool that this works on Linux and we get to use it as daily driver without being forced to dual boot for games. A windows installation still lingers on my desktop but it’s been years since I booted into it.

Llewellyn ,

If you have games in a separate partition, then you will have no need to reinstall it even in case with reinstalling Windows, though.

You haven’t really highlighted any of the linux advantages here.

jaemo ,

You haven’t really highlighted any of the linux advantages here.

I wasn’t really on that side quest, I’m only asserting it’s (apparently) as easy as Windows is. If you don’t see “not having to use windows” as an advantage, or if it’s actually an impediment to your non-game-related computer use, that’s totally fair; subjectivity is absolutely part of this. I’m just glad it all works for me in my life and that I’m lucky enough to be able to get to work on the platform I prefer.

praise_idleness ,

Not a video gamer myself and can’t love linux enough. No more searching for installers. yay all the way.

pBaesse ,

Epic runs nice using Lutris 😃😃

jf0314 ,

I want able to get it to work unfortunately. This was a few years ago though.

rach ,

I have really tried getting epic to work, but both ea and Ubisoft launchers work quite well now through Lutris

pBaesse ,

Strange, was it recently?? My Epic install have been working for years (installed again a few times)

rach ,

I just realized that I missed a word. I have not tried getting epic to work. Sorry for the confusion 😅

pBaesse ,

HOhOHOhoHOh no problem. Anything, just ask 😁

citrusface ,

Different now - works flawless with lutris

kaputter_Aimbot ,

You don’t need the bootlegged version of SteamOS, there is ChimeraOS (GitHub).

Also Steam runs great on a lot of distros, I use Arch Mint btw. ;-)

For Epic Games, GOG and Amazon you can use Heroic Games Launcher (GitHub).

Piece_Maker ,
@Piece_Maker@feddit.uk avatar

Heroic is amazing. Rather than running the crappy Epic client via Wine, you just install this native piece of software that then launches each game via Wine/Proton/whatever else and pretty much just works every time, complete with things like EAC

Bulletdust ,

I run both the Epic Store as well as the EA App via Bottles, and I had both up and running in about ten minutes.

You can also install both launchers under Steam via Proton. The process is a little more involved, but far from difficult.

spikederailed ,

Bottles and Lutris would help in this case for you.

jf0314 ,

It didn’t work before, maybe I’ll try it again when I have the time.

flop_leash_973 ,

As much as I like Linux, and use it almost exclusively on desktop/laptop, every time I see something like this I am reminded how much I hate the fact that Apple of all companies is about the last bastion of commercial and consumer operating systems who isn’t trying to derive the bulk of their revenue from advertising.

LodeMike ,

Yes they just derive it by keeping the Windows/MacOS duopoly in place and monopolizing communication channels.

SuperSpruce ,

Even Apple is falling. Their ad business (yes, they have one) makes billions and is the fastest growing part of the company. The app store is already quite ad-riddled, and the other parts of iOS are geared to get you to subscribe to all the Apple services.

Phoenix3875 ,

In some sense yes, but advertising for its own stuff is advertising too. It nudges you to use their whole ecosystem.

The most annoying thing for me is that you can’t remove the iTunes component in mission control (the settings deck).

chakan2 ,
@chakan2@lemmy.world avatar

It does nudge you…but it’s not full screen ads that take multiple clicks to get through every week. I was a Windows zealot through W7…W10 got bad…W11 got me to start using Apple and Linux.

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    Appoxo ,
    @Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Linux ain’t as mainstream as MacOS and Windows are.

    PoolloverNathan ,

    …and this here, folks, is the problem.

    ekZepp ,
    @ekZepp@lemmy.world avatar

    This sound like something they would totally do.

    NotMyOldRedditName ,

    Next up, an add anytime an executable is run!

    catloaf ,

    Everything could be operated by ads. Run a program? Watch an ad. Open the start menu? Watch an ad.

    MeDuViNoX ,
    @MeDuViNoX@sh.itjust.works avatar

    You don’t HAVE to watch the ads, just subscribe to Windows 11 platinum for 20$ a month. /s

    dch82 ,

    Are you sure you want to run an untrusted executable? Microsoft Store contains lots of safe, curated apps that are 100% definitely not crappy ad-filled spyware.

    nyan ,

    So they want people to pull the plug instead of signing out properly. If they don’t can this before it leaves the Beta Channel, they’re going to need to beef up their tech support, because the many office workers who use Windows mostly as a launcher for Excel won’t have a clue.

    TheChurn , (edited )

    Linux and Nvidia really need to sort out their shit so I can fully dump windows.

    Luckily the AI hype is good for something in this regard, since running gpus on Linux servers is suddenly much more important.

    Kostyeah ,

    The only thing keeping me on windows is the Nvidia GPU in my laptop. If Linux got actual dynamic GPU switching support I would delete windows and never look back.

    Blisterexe ,

    it has that? You can use the nvidia utility to enable that on most any distro, or just use Pop_OS! 24.04 when it releases.

    Kostyeah ,

    I’ve tried what popOS had around 6 months ago, and it wasn’t what I wanted. I needed to manually launch apps with the GPU. I want it to work like it does in windows where when the igpu gets too much load it dynamically switches to the dgpu.

    Blisterexe ,

    i specified Pop_OS! 24.04 because in the new version with the cosmic dekstop, theyre going to add a seamless synamic gpu in the new version (thatll be out in a month or 2)

    also, you CAN get that behavior on linux now.

    youtube.com/…/Ugkx3d4QH_43Ekei3-cNuecZpCaaaPzFFXb…

    this part of a linux experiment video shows how to do it, i cant confirm if it works as i do now have a laprtrop with an nvidia gpu tho

    Kostyeah ,

    Oh wow, thats incredible! Looks like I have my Sunday project now.

    Blisterexe ,

    I can help you with that if you want, you can message me on discord or matrix, just dm me your username of the chosen platform

    sirico ,
    @sirico@feddit.uk avatar

    Bazzite has an image that includes integrated chip swapping on my nitro 5

    Kostyeah ,

    Is it dynamic, or does it use the existing Nvidia Optimus utilities?

    melpomenesclevage ,

    how long is having a GPU you can’t use without an OS going to he worth staying off Linux?

    foo ,

    The only reason I have windows is to play games and not all games will work on linux

    melpomenesclevage ,

    the only thing Linux can’t play is drm’d shit, and rootkit anti cheats. find a pirated version; bet it’ll run.

    foo ,

    I’m not going to pirate software. Developers deserve a paycheck

    melpomenesclevage ,

    photoshop. AutoCAD.

    Kedly ,

    Buy the game through whichever means you like supporting the developer on, pirate the game to run it without the DRM bulshit

    melpomenesclevage ,

    you don’t own it til you pirate it.

    if they wanted money, they wouldn’t have added DRM.

    Kedly ,

    Until we are in a post job society, I see nothing wrong with wanting to support those who make your life happier, even if that requires giving some to those who make your life worse. Nuance exists, and its on each if us to draw our own lines on where we wont budge. I was merely giving an option to someone they might not have thought of. For instance, I’m done giving Nintendo money. Unicorn Overlord is an awesome game however, so even though I dont have modern xbox, and even though I’m playing Unicorn Overlord on a yuzu emulator. Eventually I’m going to by the Series S version of the game if it doesnt get ported to steam, even though Microsoft can go fuck itself (It can just fuck itself less than Nintendo or Sony)

    melpomenesclevage , (edited )

    I’ll buy games. the thing is: I won’t stop myself from enjoying it just because they don’t want my money.

    Kedly ,

    Oh, yeah, thats perfectly fair. I’m already playing Unicorn Overlord even though they didnt release on PC, and it was pretty much the same train of thought you just expressed there why I jumped straight into piracy. If I hadnt enjoyed the game as much as I’m currently enjoying it, I wouldnt even have gotten to the step of figuring out which megacorp I despise giving money to the least in order to shunt some of that change to the developers

    melpomenesclevage ,

    I’m a little stricter. I do not buy shit with unacceptable DRM.

    Kedly ,

    Which is honestly a fair stance to take ngl

    melpomenesclevage ,

    I will, however, still play it if I can pirate.

    foo ,

    How do you play helldiver’s 2 with my friends?

    Kedly ,

    I mean, yeah, you can find exceptions to any rule if you look for them

    foo ,

    Dismissing major releases with drm isn’t the victory you think it is. Linux is getting better it’s almost there.

    Kedly ,

    I dont know what the hell you are talking about dude. If the game has shitty drm but a pirated version doesnt, you can buy the game (or dont if you dont care about giving developers money) and then pirate it to get around that. If the game doesnt have a pirated version that skips the DRM, which is pretty much the ENTIRETY of online only games due to their nature, then yeah, you have to either accept the drm or not play it. I was merely countering your point that you can’t pirate AND support devs. I have no idea why you are bringing up games that you straight up cannot pirate. Lastly, being a slave to major releases is a choice. Personally I only touch about 1 every 5 years, because the vast majority of new video game experiences come from indie games nowadays, so if drm is someones line in the sand, avoiding a new release because it has it isnt the loss you think it is to the person who drew that line

    frozen ,
    @frozen@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz avatar

    Helldivers 2 works almost perfectly on Linux. I had to nest it in a gamescope session to fix some weird mouse issues, but that was it. I dual-boot Windows and I’ve never even launched it there.

    foo ,

    I just press a green button in steam

    frozen ,
    @frozen@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz avatar

    Cool, me too.

    foo ,

    Not on Linux though, you had to do a bunch of fucking about to almost make it flawless.

    frozen ,
    @frozen@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz avatar

    No, I literally had to add one change to the game launch properties one time. It took me probably 3 minutes of googling and following instructions. I wouldn’t call that “a bunch of fucking shit”.

    foo ,

    I did nothing more than pushing a button.

    frozen ,
    @frozen@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz avatar

    Cool, you’re lazy, gotcha.

    foo ,

    I mean that’s a stupid and childish retort. Congratulations on being the problem. I’m sure I have a fedora to tio in your direction

    frozen ,
    @frozen@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz avatar

    I disagree, it’s a statement of fact. There’s nothing inherently wrong with that fact that you’re lazy about fiddling with computers. I’m lazy about certain things in my own life.

    But it’s pointless trying to convert lazy people to Linux when it requires an effort level above 0 and they don’t want to put in anymore than that.

    A_Random_Idiot ,

    Which everyone should be avoiding anyway, regardless if they use windows or not. . so it shouldnt be a problem for any gamer.

    TheGrandNagus ,

    Most people, even people on Reddit/Lemmy who are presumably tech-savvy, are completely fine with installing rootkits on their PC and handing full control over to random game devs.

    A_Random_Idiot ,

    Yeah, there will always be mouth breathing imbeciles.

    You just ignore them, not enable them. Let them wallow in their own self made filth. Anything more runs the risk of them getting elected president.

    SapphironZA ,

    Its mainly Nvidia’s shit. The only reason Nvidia is caring about Linux now, is that is the platform AI models use.

    Temperche ,

    PopOS has a good nvidia card support, try it out! It made me dump windows last October.

    LordCrom ,

    Pop OS has great Nvidia support out of the gate. Latest mint seems to handle Nvidia well also.

    LodeMike ,

    since running gpus on Linux servers is suddenly much more important.

    It’s always been important. Nvidia will never have actual open source drivers. They do this thing where they intentionally hobble your GPU unless you pay them even more money for a more expensive GPU.

    refurbishedrefurbisher ,

    Check out NVK and Nova.

    Bulletdust ,

    I’ve been running NVIDIA under Linux for about six years now, with no more issues than one would encounter running hardware/drivers from a number of manufacturers under a number of platforms.

    In all honesty, I’ve encountered far more issues regarding HP printer drivers under Windows.

    TheChurn ,

    I've been using Nvidia under Linux for the last 3 years and it has been massive pita.

    Getting CUDA to work consistently is a feat, and one that must be repeated for most driver updates.

    Wayland support is still shoddy.

    Hardware acceleration on the web (at least with Firefox) is very inconsistent.

    It is very much a second-class experience compared to Windows, and it shouldn't be.

    Bulletdust ,

    CUDA works fine here, in all honesty it’s never given me any problems. NVENC works fine, DLSS1, DLSS2, and DLSS3 all work fine, RTX runs at acceptable FPS compared to AMD under Linux - and NVIDIA Reflex is supported as of VKD3D-Proton 2.12 and DXVK-NVAPI 0.7.

    On top of that, FSR is also fully supported - as is HDMI 2.1.

    I only use Firefox, and hardware web rendering works fine. Hardware video acceleration isn’t working yet, but running back to back tests at 1080p with hardware video decoding under VLC, the difference between hardware video decoding and CPU rendering is about 5% CPU usage on average running a desktop PC with adequate power supply/cooling capacity as opposed to a laptop with limited power supply/cooling capacity.

    The only problem with Wayland under KDE 6 is the lack of any form of sync, but explicit sync has ‘finally’ been merged, and should be supported under the 555 branch of drivers. Once explicit sync is supported, I really have few Wayland issues left to complain about.

    Overall, I really don’t experience any showstopper issues that have me wanting for Windows in the slightest.

    ManniSturgis ,

    My old HP printer won’t even install on Win10 anymore. The have also removed the driver from the HP website. I’m sure you can still find it on some sketchy website, but I’d rather just use Mint on a laptop for printing all the 3 documents I print each year. Not to mention that windows updates take FOREVER on this low powered dual core laptop. On Mint it’s seconds.

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