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Blaster_M ,

One reason not to switch to linux: I want to play PCVR with my Quest 2. It has a really bad stutter when moving around using the only tool that works: ALVR, and this makes VR unplayable. I have not found an actual solution, just a handful of speculative issues threads that go silent as to what is the answer if any.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

The solution is to probably not use the Quest 2. And that’s a pretty crappy solution.

But VR on Linux sucks in general, so if you really need VR, it’s probably best to stick with Windows. I really hope things improve because I’d really like to play with VR, but I’m unwilling to use Windows or make a Meta account, so I’m sitting on the sidelines until a reasonably affordable headset ($500-ish) with reasonably good app support on Linux is available.

Blaster_M ,

Pico 4, though instead of Meta it’s the Chinese

I didn’t get my headset new, I got it on ebay for cheap. I also made a Meta account specifically for the Quest and nothing else.

jaemo ,

Laughs loudly in perfectly working steam index on Linux.

deadly4u ,

Perfectly?

What games or experiences do you play? I’m basically in VRChat all day with OVR and XSOverlay.

I’m eager to know what workarounds you needed to do in order to get “perfect working order”

jaemo ,

The only issue I seem to have is when one of the frequent Nvidia drivers is updated I need to re-run flatpak update to pull updates manually, and occasionally I have to disconnect and reconnect the display cable or I get a hardware address issue. That’s it. Oh and the beacons don’t properly sleep/wake in Linux they just stay on.

I usually play

  • super hot
  • beat saber
  • moss
  • Alyx
  • google earth
  • redout
  • star wars squadrons

Never tried VR chat. I use VR and games to get away from people not closer 😂

I’m sure there are pain points I’m glossing over, controller config I remember can be a pain, as most aren’t developed with index in mind. In my mind these are artefacts of adopting any new technology before it’s form factor is standardized and ubiquitous.

So “perfectly” for me, now that I’ve come to know what it’s prerequisites are.

dotMonkey ,

Oh I have to do this, oh I have to do that. Doesn’t sound perfectly to me 🤣

jaemo ,

You’re absolutely right. You should 100% stay on windows, where it all works the very first time and forevermore! I never see anyone posting about issues with that OS! Enjoy!

dotMonkey ,

Delusional. You Linux fanboys are something else.

werefreeatlast ,

Yeah you should stay on windows and never check out Linux. Hopefully ques too is great.

Melt ,

User won’t switch to Linux because of lack of software support, company won’t support Linux because of lack of user, such a vicious circle

kolorafa ,

ALVR works on Linux with Quest 2, BeatSaber works fine, dont know much about other games.

kamen ,

The irony is that people create these tools mostly because they’re frustrated by the limited customisation options provided by default. If Microsoft ever listens to feedback, it’s quite limited, and it takes ages for the new stuff get implemented; moreover very often you just about get used to something and the rug gets pulled from under your feet.

viking ,
@viking@infosec.pub avatar

It’s insane that they can’t display the same identical task bar on 2 screens 20+ years after enabling support for multiple displays. It’s frustrating to no end having to look for stuff all over the place.

jsonjson ,

The lack of a small taskbar mode was all it took for me to never upgrade. Just shows MS doesn’t care about its users.

Dagnet ,

I can’t use win11 without explorerpatcher, if it stops working I won’t know what to do

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FunkPhenomenon ,

or just rollback to win10. it’s still got a few more years - then transition to linux which will be even more stable by then (hopefully)

StaticFalconar ,

I’ve been hearing that since windows 7

BombOmOm ,
@BombOmOm@lemmy.world avatar

And it continues to be true. Linux continues to get easier and easier to switch to. For gamers as an example, just look at how much focus Valve and engine creators have put into native Linux support.

henfredemars ,

I shyly installed Linux in dual boot months ago because I want a boring PC just does what I tell it to do. With Proton I was pleased to find that gaming is pretty easy. I actually haven’t had a reason to boot into Windows since.

ILikeBoobies ,

Better to get that year of Linux under your belt where you have the dual boot fallback

Gormadt ,
@Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Currently my plan is having a Windows VM on my NAS that I can just dial into on my network for the stuff I still need Windows for.

Though I haven’t done it yet, it’s the goal.

southsamurai ,
@southsamurai@sh.itjust.works avatar

Shit, if you go with one of the more popular distros, stability is just fine. My mint install on my laptop has never needed any attention or time since install. Same on my main desktop pc, the little box hooked up to the TV, my dad’s ancient desktop, and my “junk” box that’s just there for general use by the household, and gets whatever parts come off of the others after an upgrade.

I still run Windows 7 on my media pc, because musicbee, but it dual boots and I’ve had more hassle out of windows than mint on it. And yes, since it always gets asked, the win7 box is air gapped.

Seriously, stability is a non issue now. It wasn’t a real issue back when I first said “fuck Microsoft” and set up that dual boot on my media box that used to be a gaming box. The only stability issue I ran into there was after an upgrade, and I’m fairly certain I screwed that up because it’s never happened again.

All of that is on mint. Yeah, basic as hell, but that’s the point.

Gormadt ,
@Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Mint is fuckin awesome

It’s the distro I primarily use for my Linux systems

I’ve only had it crash once and that was on a system that was on and logged in for 2 months straight running a 2 video feeds (1 camera for each of my filament 3D printers) via OBS.

10/10 Would recommend

Secret300 ,

Oh boy, another reason to switch to Linux. Thanks Microsoft

CaptKoala ,

Yet another reason I’m glad I already did.

I’ve booted into windows twice total since I switched last year. And as such my hardware has remained untainted by W11.

mypasswordis1234 ,
@mypasswordis1234@lemmy.world avatar

One of us, one of us!

red_pigeon ,

A wasted opportunity to natively support these features and make the user base happy.

ronflex ,

I can see why they’d do it. Windows is a corporate product and MSFT wants everyone’s experience to be tailored to exactly how they think is best. Gives some Apple vibes.

I think at this point MSFT knows the average user is just gonna keep using Windows so they don’t really care about tailoring to individuals. I expect to see a lot more of this.

taanegl ,

The thing about Windows, or the thing that is going away, was that it has the possibility of being modified and customised, which made it more freedom respecting than macOS.

From the windows registry, group policies, PE functionality, Windows was the commercial platform for tinkerers, businesses and professionals. It’s basically what made Windows awesome.

Now, with ads in the menu, Microsoft being horny for apple’s app store vendor lock-in since Windows 8 and depriving the user of any kind of control, we finally see Microsoft emerge as one of the most evil companies to ever exist.

Why? Read their history, because even with the good things they did with Windows, there’s a thousand bad, and you should never play devil’s advocate for them. They, nor Apple, deserves it.

Also: use Linux or BSD, pls.

LupertEverett ,
@LupertEverett@lemmy.world avatar

Remember the days when Microsoft would block ClassicShell the same way they did StartAllBack here, on Win10?

Pepperridge farm remembers :V

skulblaka ,
@skulblaka@startrek.website avatar

… I don’t, actually, I’ve been using ClassicShell basically since the day Win10 came out and it’s always worked perfectly. Don’t think I’ve even updated it actually.

LupertEverett ,
@LupertEverett@lemmy.world avatar

Its something happened waaay back during the technical preview days. Just like with this instance, the workaround was to rename the installer executable.

winaero.com/microsoft-to-block-classic-shell-in-w…

And I think you should update to OpenShell at least.

Hiro8811 ,

What? You tell me that Windows won’t be customisable any… Sorry can’t do it with a straight face. Fuck you Microsoft! Linux ftw

TurboHarbinger ,

Hey OP, may I ask if this is actually news and not an sensanionalized post with an opinion in it.

One more reason to switch to Linux

Isn’t this fucking propaganda?

schwim ,

Windows for gaming, Linux for everything else. With the way I use it, I don’t see the desktop, much less notice any changes between updates.

calvinklein97 ,
@calvinklein97@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

By now you can use Linux for gaming too. Compatibility layers like Wine or Proton came a long way thanks to the steam deck.

schwim ,

I have tried. For the games I like to play, this is not the case, sadly. Windows provides a vastly superior gaming experience in my case.

calvinklein97 ,
@calvinklein97@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

No doubt windows is still better (or more seemless) overall in regards of gaming especially since Linux kinda emulates (but not really) a windows environment which requires some fiddling here and there and there are still some issues with some Anti Cheat powered games. But still you technically can game on Linux 😄

schwim ,

Unfortunately, our lives don’t perform at the technical level but the practical. Gaming performance for the games I like are abysmal on linux. I appreciate linux for what it excels at but I would never suggest it to someone that wanted to game.

AliasAKA ,

What games do you play in particular that is abysmal on Linux?

michel ,

@schwim
As far I read on internet and benchnatks, If you have a working , the average performance between Windows and (proton) is equal. That means also, there cases where a Windows Games performs beter on a Linux with proton.
I assume the cause is also that some gamedeveloper enhance a game for steam deck also.
I propose to retest your case again.

@calvinklein97

Gooey0210 ,

Reply or upvote if you already quit Schindows a long ago

MonkderDritte ,

So thee tools need to patch MS Defender now?

Moonrise2473 ,

Well at least finally after three long years Microsoft added the option to combine icons on the taskbar.

Without that option, explorerpatcher was a forced install on w11

Now it’s possible to live without it

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