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Jolteon ,

Turns out they don’t like people disabling their adware.

rottingleaf ,

I don’t get people reacting to Windows critique with that “there are scripts and tools to disable anything”, some even have the gall to compare it to how I use Linux.

When we are talking about adware and spyware right from the vendor, who has the figurative “make shit really mandatory” button. Who is all-powerful there.

Moonrise2473 ,

Well at least finally after three long years Microsoft added the option to combine icons on the taskbar.

Without that option, explorerpatcher was a forced install on w11

Now it’s possible to live without it

Secret300 ,

Oh boy, another reason to switch to Linux. Thanks Microsoft

CaptKoala ,

Yet another reason I’m glad I already did.

I’ve booted into windows twice total since I switched last year. And as such my hardware has remained untainted by W11.

mypasswordis1234 ,
@mypasswordis1234@lemmy.world avatar

One of us, one of us!

Gooey0210 ,

Reply or upvote if you already quit Schindows a long ago

kamen ,

The irony is that people create these tools mostly because they’re frustrated by the limited customisation options provided by default. If Microsoft ever listens to feedback, it’s quite limited, and it takes ages for the new stuff get implemented; moreover very often you just about get used to something and the rug gets pulled from under your feet.

viking ,
@viking@infosec.pub avatar

It’s insane that they can’t display the same identical task bar on 2 screens 20+ years after enabling support for multiple displays. It’s frustrating to no end having to look for stuff all over the place.

jsonjson ,

The lack of a small taskbar mode was all it took for me to never upgrade. Just shows MS doesn’t care about its users.

xep ,

A Microsoft representative (?) opened an issue for Explorer Patcher:

Hi Team,

This is to let you know that Win10 taskbar code is removed. And if use continue to use ExplorePatcheron Windows GE Build, they will see a crash. You only need to adjust the setup exe name to get around the block in your new version. We will continue to block ANY version that crashes Explorer.

Please let me know if you have any question.

Thanks
Michelle

Makes sense to me.

quantumcog OP ,

Didn’t know that. Thanks for the info.

kshade ,
@kshade@lemmy.world avatar

Shame somebody removed that code. At least RetroBar will still work. Hopefully.

trafficnab ,

If only there was a way to know who removed the code

kshade ,
@kshade@lemmy.world avatar

it is a mystery 👻

schwim ,

Windows for gaming, Linux for everything else. With the way I use it, I don’t see the desktop, much less notice any changes between updates.

calvinklein97 ,
@calvinklein97@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

By now you can use Linux for gaming too. Compatibility layers like Wine or Proton came a long way thanks to the steam deck.

schwim ,

I have tried. For the games I like to play, this is not the case, sadly. Windows provides a vastly superior gaming experience in my case.

calvinklein97 ,
@calvinklein97@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

No doubt windows is still better (or more seemless) overall in regards of gaming especially since Linux kinda emulates (but not really) a windows environment which requires some fiddling here and there and there are still some issues with some Anti Cheat powered games. But still you technically can game on Linux 😄

schwim ,

Unfortunately, our lives don’t perform at the technical level but the practical. Gaming performance for the games I like are abysmal on linux. I appreciate linux for what it excels at but I would never suggest it to someone that wanted to game.

AliasAKA ,

What games do you play in particular that is abysmal on Linux?

michel ,

@schwim
As far I read on internet and benchnatks, If you have a working , the average performance between Windows and (proton) is equal. That means also, there cases where a Windows Games performs beter on a Linux with proton.
I assume the cause is also that some gamedeveloper enhance a game for steam deck also.
I propose to retest your case again.

@calvinklein97

ronflex ,

I can see why they’d do it. Windows is a corporate product and MSFT wants everyone’s experience to be tailored to exactly how they think is best. Gives some Apple vibes.

I think at this point MSFT knows the average user is just gonna keep using Windows so they don’t really care about tailoring to individuals. I expect to see a lot more of this.

taanegl ,

The thing about Windows, or the thing that is going away, was that it has the possibility of being modified and customised, which made it more freedom respecting than macOS.

From the windows registry, group policies, PE functionality, Windows was the commercial platform for tinkerers, businesses and professionals. It’s basically what made Windows awesome.

Now, with ads in the menu, Microsoft being horny for apple’s app store vendor lock-in since Windows 8 and depriving the user of any kind of control, we finally see Microsoft emerge as one of the most evil companies to ever exist.

Why? Read their history, because even with the good things they did with Windows, there’s a thousand bad, and you should never play devil’s advocate for them. They, nor Apple, deserves it.

Also: use Linux or BSD, pls.

SuperSpruce ,

Why is Microsoft trying to shoot itself in the foot once again? One of the big reasons I like Windows more than MacOS is the customizability. When your market share is declining, you shouldn’t add more reasons to switch to something else.

phoenixz ,

If you like customizability,vwhy not try Linux with KDE? It’s the definition of customizability.

SuperSpruce ,

Joke’s on you I have a desktop running KDE Neon

Seriously though, I’m not even that big into customizability, I just like having a taskbar with icons and some critical statuses (battery percentages anyone? Even Apple learned their lesson on that one.) on any side of the screen, and I like having good versatile touchpad gestures, achievable on GNOME with a couple extensions.

hyauzane ,

Currently needing to run Windows 11 on my laptop, not by choice basically by light force of wifi drivers as I need wifi for my daily workload and dumb MediaTek have not great Linux support, there is a small in works dkms GitHub repo but that’s it

rottingleaf ,

What they are doing has that upside of being an indicator of “how many people are really held by the balls with MS hand”. MS “shoots itself in the foot” and Windows users just eat it, then it can do more.

When you are a monopolist (or a bully, or a robber baron), this makes sense.

jsonjson ,

Windows 11 development was led by the UI team that led Windows 8, and a team responsible for more of the internal Windows development was responsible for Windows 10. You can kind of tell by Windows 11 being an arbitrary UI change with numerous regressions.

LupertEverett ,
@LupertEverett@lemmy.world avatar

Remember the days when Microsoft would block ClassicShell the same way they did StartAllBack here, on Win10?

Pepperridge farm remembers :V

skulblaka ,
@skulblaka@startrek.website avatar

… I don’t, actually, I’ve been using ClassicShell basically since the day Win10 came out and it’s always worked perfectly. Don’t think I’ve even updated it actually.

LupertEverett ,
@LupertEverett@lemmy.world avatar

Its something happened waaay back during the technical preview days. Just like with this instance, the workaround was to rename the installer executable.

winaero.com/microsoft-to-block-classic-shell-in-w…

And I think you should update to OpenShell at least.

MonkderDritte ,

So thee tools need to patch MS Defender now?

anon987 ,
  • Microsoft blocks app with major security and performance concerns from Russian dev.

Fixed that headline for ya, big guy.

RoyalEngineering ,

Hmm. Russia or Russian programmers were not in the article. The only reason was performance:

It is possible that Microsoft blocked those apps due to a higher number of crashes on build 26100, which is allegedly version 24H2 RTM build.

anon987 ,

You realize you can get info from other sources right? Not just this one article?

wonderfulvoltaire ,
@wonderfulvoltaire@lemmy.world avatar

Site your source

anon987 ,

What? You can’t do simple research now?

Dev: msfn.org/board/profile/36858-tihiy/

Dyor. This is Lemmy, not reddit.

Hadriscus ,

Regardless, always cite source

anon987 , (edited )

What’s your source on that? That you always have to cite source? Not a rule on lemmy.

Checked your comment history, you make many claims and cite no sources. So what is this really about?

Seems like you want to argue for the sake of arguing.

Hadriscus ,

Good luck my bro

RoyalEngineering ,

Thanks for the link, but I still do not see where it says “Microsoft blocked apps because of Russian dev.”

The dev says that it’s related to depreciated features, not the country of origin:

Well, this has to do with myriad feature flags around copilot and working area hacks MS is doing. But generally classic taskbar is dead code and 24H2 is going bring only degradations and pain.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/86eafa5a-e450-4f9d-9390-4f312541d8ab.png

rodneylives ,

Why is Microsoft even deciding what programs I can run on my computer in the first place? They’re not malware, they shouldn’t be doing this at all.

BradleyUffner ,

It’s the Windows Defender component. Blocking things that interfere with your computer is literally what it was designed and intended to do.

ColdWater ,
@ColdWater@lemmy.ca avatar

I still can’t believe Linux only have 5% of OS market share

MilitantAtheist ,

I can. Do you really think computer savvy people are the majority of computer users?

EqMinMax ,
@EqMinMax@lemmy.world avatar

There is nothing tech savy in linux, if you use the right distro. Moreover, mostly tech savy people customize their OS and not average users. If an user can install an app for customizing, then linux is no more different.

Fungah ,

You say this.

But its just not true.

It took my of all of a day with Linux mint before she needed to open up a command line and do things.

I love Linux . i would kill for Linux. Have killed for linux. And wil kill again for Linux. What’s that, tux? Sudo for person in store; do “$festoon_the_walls_with_their_guts”? If [[ -e $police ]]; then -eval sudo_works_in_real_,life; find / -type “*god” -exec /platonic_root/deicide police surviving_bystanders news_crews: fi; done

You’re always looking out for me bud. Sure I’ll do it.

wetnoodle ,
@wetnoodle@sopuli.xyz avatar

if you use the right distro

Exactly, a sad amount of people wouldn’t be able to install windows if they had to. They definitely won’t be finding the right distro then installing.

shalva97 ,

I can too. A lot of people don’t know Linux exists

haevestorr ,

You don’t really need any skills to use modern Linux. I would argue that it’s easier to use than Windows for someone who has basic googling skills. Windows have an annoying habit of getting in the way of the user and making things much harder than they need to be. For example, needing to use the registry editor for basic configuration options.

MilitantAtheist ,

No regular Joe will ever need to use regedit, you’re thinking with yourself as reference, the majority of computer users aren’t going to configure shit. They just get a computer with Windows installed and they start using it.

EnderMB ,

It’s painful that this needs to be mentioned, and that people will actively argue that it’s not true…

ColdWater ,
@ColdWater@lemmy.ca avatar

While that’s true but some DE nowadays make it easier for general consumer to install/using Linux as their main os, I think some people even scared of Linux and didn’t wanna touch it and that’s a shame

T156 ,

In either case, you still need to install a new OS, which is already a technical hurdle in itself, and know enough command line to fix things when they break/update packages, or to access things that might not have a UI.

ColdWater ,
@ColdWater@lemmy.ca avatar

Yeah, maybe someday Windows become so bad that people will do anything to get rid of it, I confess that I’m still using Windows 10 to play most of my games but I will ditch Windows once it reached EOL (I use Open SUSE for web browsing and documents editing and it’s been great so far)

PriorityMotif ,
@PriorityMotif@lemmy.world avatar

The majority of desktop users are within organizations with people who administer all of the PCs. They use Windows server to do this, which is actually mind boggling, but they do it somehow. It would be easier to do it with Linux, but most admins are stuck with what tools that already have.

menemen , (edited )
@menemen@lemmy.world avatar

While Mixrosoft produces questionable software, they are really good at ugly marketing strategies.

It is imo literally unbelievable that e.g. the EU is not enforcing an own OS (that the EU and not another country can control) on the EU members administrations and militaries. Microsoft is good with stuff like this.

dai ,

The volumes of cash that Microsoft throw at retailers (custom builders / big box) is astronomical. Worked for a relatively small retailer with some international buying power. EOFY “MDF” from Microsoft was an absurd figure.

Our builders would belt out 3 - 6 machines per day, depending on complexity of the custom build, the pre-built machines were in the 6+ per day range.

Considering the vast majority of those machines were running windows (some sold without an os), from a quick estimate after too many beers we were out of pocket 10% at most of the bulk buy price for licence keys after our “market development funds” came through.

It’s fucking crook.

fin ,

They are forced to use Windows, like me

bitchkat ,

My last two jobs require(d) me to run windows. At one, I spent 95% of my time in a Linux VM so it was more tolerable.

fin ,

That’s a good option, only if you have a powerful PC. Mine is not enough powerful for WSL to run

bitchkat ,

Usually just VirtualBox VM’s – i’ve never touched WSL except for the original version way back in the 90’s I think.

locuester ,

in the 90’s

Woah. You’re off by a lot. WSL isn’t even 10 years old.

bitchkat ,

I was thinking of the earlier incantation called Windows Services for Unix.

Hadriscus ,

I hate it when software requires incantations to run

bitchkat ,

I’m leaving that up because its kind of funny how I mangled that.

laurelraven ,

I can’t even use virtual box at work, every time anyone downloads it, Oracle sics their licensing trolls at us, ignoring the fact that it’s free for all outside of the extension pack

I’m STILL pissed off that Oracle bought Sun

bitchkat ,

Are you guys installing the extension pack? That’s when the licensing weenies get to work. My old job ended up blocking oracle.com which was really fun for trying to read java docs. I would have to set up an ssh tunnel to my home server in order to download vbox release.

laurelraven ,

When i first started there, I did, just out of habit, but when i was approached about it, I removed it without hesitation… Never did download it or install it again, but every time i downloaded the main program, within a day I’d get someone saying Oracle was coming after us again and ultimately we just stopped allowing it altogether because having to deal with Oracle’s bullshit just wasn’t worth it, I’d rather pay VMware than deal with Oracle’s bullshit for a free product that they can’t figure out their own license for

Well… Now VMware is owned by Broadcom and is apparently being dismantled from the inside so i may be looking for a third option soon (that isn’t HyperV… It works fine but I’ve always found it hit or miss for Linux, which is like 100% of what I virtualize on my desktop)

Blaster_M ,

One reason not to switch to linux: I want to play PCVR with my Quest 2. It has a really bad stutter when moving around using the only tool that works: ALVR, and this makes VR unplayable. I have not found an actual solution, just a handful of speculative issues threads that go silent as to what is the answer if any.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

The solution is to probably not use the Quest 2. And that’s a pretty crappy solution.

But VR on Linux sucks in general, so if you really need VR, it’s probably best to stick with Windows. I really hope things improve because I’d really like to play with VR, but I’m unwilling to use Windows or make a Meta account, so I’m sitting on the sidelines until a reasonably affordable headset ($500-ish) with reasonably good app support on Linux is available.

Blaster_M ,

Pico 4, though instead of Meta it’s the Chinese

I didn’t get my headset new, I got it on ebay for cheap. I also made a Meta account specifically for the Quest and nothing else.

jaemo ,

Laughs loudly in perfectly working steam index on Linux.

deadly4u ,

Perfectly?

What games or experiences do you play? I’m basically in VRChat all day with OVR and XSOverlay.

I’m eager to know what workarounds you needed to do in order to get “perfect working order”

jaemo ,

The only issue I seem to have is when one of the frequent Nvidia drivers is updated I need to re-run flatpak update to pull updates manually, and occasionally I have to disconnect and reconnect the display cable or I get a hardware address issue. That’s it. Oh and the beacons don’t properly sleep/wake in Linux they just stay on.

I usually play

  • super hot
  • beat saber
  • moss
  • Alyx
  • google earth
  • redout
  • star wars squadrons

Never tried VR chat. I use VR and games to get away from people not closer 😂

I’m sure there are pain points I’m glossing over, controller config I remember can be a pain, as most aren’t developed with index in mind. In my mind these are artefacts of adopting any new technology before it’s form factor is standardized and ubiquitous.

So “perfectly” for me, now that I’ve come to know what it’s prerequisites are.

dotMonkey ,

Oh I have to do this, oh I have to do that. Doesn’t sound perfectly to me 🤣

jaemo ,

You’re absolutely right. You should 100% stay on windows, where it all works the very first time and forevermore! I never see anyone posting about issues with that OS! Enjoy!

dotMonkey ,

Delusional. You Linux fanboys are something else.

werefreeatlast ,

Yeah you should stay on windows and never check out Linux. Hopefully ques too is great.

Melt ,

User won’t switch to Linux because of lack of software support, company won’t support Linux because of lack of user, such a vicious circle

kolorafa ,

ALVR works on Linux with Quest 2, BeatSaber works fine, dont know much about other games.

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