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mellowheat ,

Awesome! I’ve been enjoying Tidal for a few months now, and now that it’s starting to learn what I like, I’m starting to like its recommendations as well.

Here’s hoping they keep staying on the relatively good side.

Muffi ,

Have they added podcast support to Tidal yet?

Deadful ,
@Deadful@lemmy.world avatar

God I hope not!

ripcord ,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

Why not?

Like I don’t see the point of them adding it, either. But why would it be so bad?

hightrix ,

I’m not the OP, but when Spotify added these is made the user experience worse.

I used Spotify for music and only music. So seeing a row or two of podcasts inserted before music was really annoying. Getting podcast recommendations was also annoying. If they would have let me just opt out of seeing podcasts, there would not have been any issues. But they didn’t.

I don’t use Spotify anymore.

ripcord ,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

Thanks, makes sense!

Edit: ha, I got downvoted by a bunch of peolle for asking a question, apparently

hightrix ,

People here are weird. I tend to just ignore the votes.

Deadful ,
@Deadful@lemmy.world avatar

For the record, I wasn’t one of those people. I prefer to have a dialogue over punishing people for having an opinion, unless that opinion is harmful in some way.

Deadful ,
@Deadful@lemmy.world avatar

Of course I’m just speaking for myself, but I personally have several reasons for not wanting podcasts in the app (when I say podcasts I’m mainly talking about the video verity.)

The main reason is because I am on a family plan and my middle school daughter uses the app for music. We used to have Spotify, but when they added podcasts essentially it became a video streaming free for all and I would find my daughter watching “podcasts” that were just people shouting profanity over video game streams and tik tok compilations. On top of being young, she has a neurological disability and Spotify turning the social media faucet on full blast was more than she could handle. She was sneaking to watch these videos instead of doing her school work and sleeping and it was really starting to affect her life. We switched to Tidal because it did not have those features and she went through some withdrawal but she is much healthier now that she’s back to just jamming to music.

That ties into another point which is that nowadays anyone can throw a video together and call it a podcast regardless of the quality or content. Setting aside that I already have 8 different ways to watch this content on various audio and video streaming apps as it is, including podcasts on Tidal feels like a complete diversion from their marketing strategy of being the place to go for the very highest quality music. The small number of in-house music focused shows they feature now fit the brand well and I think they would lose their identity if they change that.

I could go on but this reply is long enough.

bitwolf ,

Does this mean we’re stuck with MQA? Or can we still forcibly use FLAC. I was on the lower tier purely to avoid MQA.

ominouslemon OP ,

No, there is what Tidal calls “HiRes FLAC”, which is 24-bit, 192 kHz. Their website does not even mention MQA anymore. They’ve moved away from MQA since early 2023, when the MQA company went bankrupt

autotldr Bot ,

This is the best summary I could come up with:

Tidal seems to have decided that there just aren’t enough people willing to pay upward of $20 per month for the highest-possible audio fidelity.

At a high level, it sounds like this new, much simpler subscription model will still include all the perks — high-res FLACs, Dolby Atmos mixes, etc.

Now Tidal is caving and throwing in its large catalog of high-res tracks without demanding extra money on top.

With this move, Tidal could be trying to head off an eventual rollout of the rumored “Supremium” Spotify plan and avoid potential subscriber losses.

Either way, it’s an attempt to remain competitive in the streaming music landscape — or at least to stay relevant.

Tidal laid off 10 percent of its staff in December amid other cuts at parent company Block.

The original article contains 428 words, the summary contains 130 words. Saved 70%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!

Thcdenton ,

Tidal is still around? I’m impressed

resetbypeer ,

Actually this is a good deal. Curation on tidal is good, meaning they have cool playlists handpicked by people. In the past when I used it it was with questionable MQA encoding, which had a lot of controversy. But 24/192khz flac, If you care about audio quality is a better offer than Qobuz.

Can’t go wrong for the price. But I think the main driver should be audio quality. Because FLAC files (esp 24/192khz) can be very data hungry, for those who use it mobile only. So you need to be careful with that. You can use lower sample rates and higher bitrate mp3 as well if my memory serves well. But that defeats a bit the purpose of what Tidal stands for

aleph ,
@aleph@lemm.ee avatar

But 24-bit audio is useless for playback. The difference is literally inaudible. In fact, the application of dynamic range compression during the mixing/mastering process has a far greater impact on perceptible audio quality than sample rate or bitrate does (the placebo effect notwithstanding).

If you care about audio quality, seek out album masters and music that is well-recorded and not dynamically crushed to oblivion. The bitrate isn’t really all that important, in the greater scheme of things.

resetbypeer ,

I partially agree with you. Yes mixing and mastering is far more important than bitrate. However if I let my gf listen to a identical song both in normal 16/44khz and 24 bit version, she can hear difference. Now is it night and day ? Not always, but subtle Improvement can matter when enjoying music.

aleph , (edited )
@aleph@lemm.ee avatar

Literally the only difference between 16 bit and 24 bit is that the latter has a lower noise floor, which is really only useful for sound production - It doesn’t translate to any increase in meaningful detail or dynamic range when dealing with playback.

16-bit was chosen as the defacto standard for CDs and digital music precisely because it contains more than enough dynamic range for human hearing.

Any difference your gf hears is due to the placebo effect rather than any inherent difference in the actual audio.

prole ,

Anyone who has ever heard a 128kbps mp3 side-by-side with a 320kbps (or really anything above 192kbps in my experience) version can tell you that bitrate definitely matters. The better audio equipment you play it through, the more noticeable it is.

It definitely becomes inaudible at a certain point, but back in my CD ripping days, I’d scoff at anything below 192kbps

aleph ,
@aleph@lemm.ee avatar

Have you ever done an actual double blind listening test? You’d be surprised. Even with good listening equipment it can be very challenging.

Have a go on the 128 kbps AAC test on this page and see how you do:

abx.digitalfeed.net/spotify.html

prole ,

I have, yes.

aleph ,
@aleph@lemm.ee avatar

Presumably it was using an older/outdated codec then. With modern encoders, especially with codecs like Opus, Ogg, and Apple’s AAC, the vast majority of listeners find 128kbps to be transparent, and certainly nowhere near night-and-day when compared to lossless.

Check out the results of this public listening test here:

listening-test.coresv.net/results.htm

datendefekt ,
@datendefekt@lemmy.ml avatar

That writeup from Xiph is excellent. The comparison with adding ultraviolet and infrared to video makes so much sense. But you’re dealing with audiophiles who seriously consider getting hi-end power and ethernet cables. I read somewhere that there was a listening test with speakers connected with hanger wire - and audiophiles couldn’t tell.

In the end, it’s all physics. I could never hear a quality improvement beyond normal 16bit, 320kbps, no matter how demanding the music.

aleph ,
@aleph@lemm.ee avatar

As a recovering audiophile, I can safely say the hobby is heavily based around FOMO (the nagging doubt that something, somewhere, in your audio chain is causing a loss of audio quality), and digital audio is no exception. Not only is 320kbps more than enough, even with $1000s worth of equipment, but with codecs more efficient than MP3 (especially Opus), even 128kbps can be good enough to sound identical to lossless.

If you have plenty of local storage then 16-bit FLAC is ideal, but if you are just streaming then you really don’t need a lossless service except to keep the FOMO at bay.

li10 ,

Not surprised, I was fed up with the cost so setup a new account with a Nigerian VPN, only a few pound per month with that method.

Might switch back to a UK account if they make the price more reasonable here.

Engywuck ,

I did the same (Nigeria) a few months ago for a family account. They have still to charge me anything for it. And the account is actually working anyway. I don’t know why. I also emailed them about this and they replied that everything is fine on their end… Well, thank you for the free account, Mr. Tidal.

PoliticallyIncorrect ,
@PoliticallyIncorrect@lemmy.world avatar

Maybe I would consider paying for tidal but as I am pirating YT music thought ReVanced I think I wouldn’t, so good luck anyway.

Varyk ,

Are they pretending everyone knows what that is?

DarkNightoftheSoul ,
@DarkNightoftheSoul@mander.xyz avatar

By way of advertisement, yes.

Furedadmins ,

Spotify really beats everyone at cricket noises when responding to competitors.

PoliticallyIncorrect ,
@PoliticallyIncorrect@lemmy.world avatar

Anyone in the US can confirm if Tidal it’s free there?

knobbysideup ,
@knobbysideup@sh.itjust.works avatar

As a stand alone service I don’t think it is great, but feeding into Plex + Plexamp makes it awesome.

Tidal integrates with Plex local libraries seamlessly. Itslike having your own collections without having to rip or download anything.

jacktherippah ,

Still not available in my country. Sadge.

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