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PoliticallyIncorrect ,
@PoliticallyIncorrect@lemmy.world avatar

Anyone in the US can confirm if Tidal it’s free there?

knobbysideup ,
@knobbysideup@sh.itjust.works avatar

As a stand alone service I don’t think it is great, but feeding into Plex + Plexamp makes it awesome.

Tidal integrates with Plex local libraries seamlessly. Itslike having your own collections without having to rip or download anything.

Furedadmins ,

Spotify really beats everyone at cricket noises when responding to competitors.

Renorc ,

Tidal may not be the best streamer. It certainly does have its faults. But so do the others mentioned in these comments. For a subscription service to halve their rate is really unheard of. I appreciate it. This is really the type of pricing movement we need after so many years of out of control inflation. I wish Amazon, Disney, and Netflix would do something similar rather than endless cost increases without any improvement in services.

Moneo ,

I worry because like every streaming service they’ve slowly been reducing the amount they pay artists. How can they halve customer fees and not pay artists less?

ominouslemon OP ,

My guess is that they’ve realized that nobody subscribed to the highest tier, so they’ve incorporated its features into the normal tier, hoping to make it up in volume (I.e. new people subscribing because it’s cheap and it offers more than Spotify). So perhaps they are going to be able to pay artists the same rates

Deadful ,
@Deadful@lemmy.world avatar

As far as I can tell, I’m actually in the vast minority in that I use the service on a family plan and with my DJ gear. Streaming for DJs is being removed from family plans and it now requires me to pay for an individual plan + $9 a month in addition to what I’m already paying for the wife and kids, so I’m thinking about canning it.

jacktherippah ,

Still not available in my country. Sadge.

mellowheat ,

Awesome! I’ve been enjoying Tidal for a few months now, and now that it’s starting to learn what I like, I’m starting to like its recommendations as well.

Here’s hoping they keep staying on the relatively good side.

Muffi ,

Have they added podcast support to Tidal yet?

Deadful ,
@Deadful@lemmy.world avatar

God I hope not!

ripcord ,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

Why not?

Like I don’t see the point of them adding it, either. But why would it be so bad?

hightrix ,

I’m not the OP, but when Spotify added these is made the user experience worse.

I used Spotify for music and only music. So seeing a row or two of podcasts inserted before music was really annoying. Getting podcast recommendations was also annoying. If they would have let me just opt out of seeing podcasts, there would not have been any issues. But they didn’t.

I don’t use Spotify anymore.

ripcord ,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

Thanks, makes sense!

Edit: ha, I got downvoted by a bunch of peolle for asking a question, apparently

hightrix ,

People here are weird. I tend to just ignore the votes.

Deadful ,
@Deadful@lemmy.world avatar

For the record, I wasn’t one of those people. I prefer to have a dialogue over punishing people for having an opinion, unless that opinion is harmful in some way.

Deadful ,
@Deadful@lemmy.world avatar

Of course I’m just speaking for myself, but I personally have several reasons for not wanting podcasts in the app (when I say podcasts I’m mainly talking about the video verity.)

The main reason is because I am on a family plan and my middle school daughter uses the app for music. We used to have Spotify, but when they added podcasts essentially it became a video streaming free for all and I would find my daughter watching “podcasts” that were just people shouting profanity over video game streams and tik tok compilations. On top of being young, she has a neurological disability and Spotify turning the social media faucet on full blast was more than she could handle. She was sneaking to watch these videos instead of doing her school work and sleeping and it was really starting to affect her life. We switched to Tidal because it did not have those features and she went through some withdrawal but she is much healthier now that she’s back to just jamming to music.

That ties into another point which is that nowadays anyone can throw a video together and call it a podcast regardless of the quality or content. Setting aside that I already have 8 different ways to watch this content on various audio and video streaming apps as it is, including podcasts on Tidal feels like a complete diversion from their marketing strategy of being the place to go for the very highest quality music. The small number of in-house music focused shows they feature now fit the brand well and I think they would lose their identity if they change that.

I could go on but this reply is long enough.

Thcdenton ,

Tidal is still around? I’m impressed

EndHD ,

The headline sounded good but the article lists a lot of negatives too. They’re removing discounts for veterans/first responders, they recently laid off 10% of staff, and their price now matches Amazon and Apple. So don’t mistake this for good intention; this is just a business’ survival instincts taking over.

deweydecibel ,

their price now matches Amazon and Apple

That’s a negative?

So don’t mistake this for good intention; this is just a business’ survival instincts taking over.

A business made a business decision, yes. Your point?

nick ,

Good news for the seven people who use tidal!

drivepiler ,

I read the email from Tidal four times and still didn’t believe they weren’t trying to fuck me over. Well, I’ll be damned.

Deadful ,
@Deadful@lemmy.world avatar

As far as I can tell, I’m actually in the vast minority in that I use the service on a family plan and with my DJ gear. Streaming for DJs is being removed from family plans and it now requires me to pay for an individual plan + $9 a month in addition to what I’m already paying for the wife and kids, so I’m thinking about canning it.

bitwolf ,

Tidal also pays artists significantly more than Spotify/ Apple Music. So they’re good-shittifying in both directions 🙂

Retrograde ,
@Retrograde@lemmy.world avatar

Interesting, what is this “reverse enshittification” you speak of

maxxxxpower ,

De-shittification?

Tlaloc_Temporal ,

I usually call that flushing

Retrograde ,
@Retrograde@lemmy.world avatar

So tidal essentially flushed it’s toilet

Tikiporch ,

Wipe-ification?

Zink ,
@Zink@pawb.social avatar

A rare instance of… unshittification?

ripcord ,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah, like, when services are actually trying to compete for your business. It’s so nice when it (rarely) happens!

lepinkainen ,

Don’t forget that Apple Music also pays significantly more than Spotify. Just not as much as Tidal.

bitwolf ,

Oh yeah Spotify is definitely the worst in comparison

bitwolf ,

Does this mean we’re stuck with MQA? Or can we still forcibly use FLAC. I was on the lower tier purely to avoid MQA.

ominouslemon OP ,

No, there is what Tidal calls “HiRes FLAC”, which is 24-bit, 192 kHz. Their website does not even mention MQA anymore. They’ve moved away from MQA since early 2023, when the MQA company went bankrupt

PoliticallyIncorrect ,
@PoliticallyIncorrect@lemmy.world avatar

Maybe I would consider paying for tidal but as I am pirating YT music thought ReVanced I think I wouldn’t, so good luck anyway.

ipkpjersi ,

Is there a word for the opposite of enshitification?

arf ,

goodshitification

TimeNaan ,

Deshitification

jabathekek ,
@jabathekek@sopuli.xyz avatar

Normal and sane.

lud ,

It’s not normal though.

Toribor ,
@Toribor@corndog.social avatar

engoodening

tigerjerusalem ,

I like Tidal because its interface isn’t downright crap. What Spotify did to playlists and to the heart/cross button is so damn annoying.

filcuk ,

I love the change. I have many playlists and it has made my life so much easier organising everything.

tigerjerusalem , (edited )

How does it work better for you? To me it’s annoying, I cannot easily move folders around anymore, nor move playlists into folders if I’m not using the desktop app.

Also, the + (former ♥️ button) is the worst offender to me. I used to use the button to add a music to my big “liked” default list, the one that is more permanent, and the three dots to add it to a playlist, which are more fluid. So playlists come and go, and not every song on a playlist is the one i want on my definitive pool of “always wanted” songs.

Then someone at Spotify decided to say “fuck you users”, and merged the + and three dots, making it harder to know if a song is already in my main “liked” list.

Say I have a playlist I created, the + button is now a ✅ button. It tells me the song is saved somewhere. I have to tap it to see where, which 1. is completely unintuitive, because tapping a check button would create me the expectation of uncheking it, but it instead shows me a list of playlists! What in the freaking hell? This is decades of UI convention thrown out the windows for a really bad concept.

And 2, being checked doesn’t mean it’s my favorite song, just that it is saved on some playlist. It’s a mistery, which is only solved by tapping the schizophrenic +/✅ button, instead of simply saying to me “yep, you liked this song”.

So… Yeah. I hate Spotify.

rbits ,

I love it because I never use liked songs (I don’t understand how people do, using the same playlist forever. Do your tastes never change? Idk each to their own).

So it means 1: I can easily add songs to multiple playlists at once. I have 4 different playlists that I listen to, and sometimes a song fits all 4, and it used to take 12 taps to add it to all 4 (tap dots, tap add, tap playlist, 4 times). Now it only takes 6.

2: I can now see if the song is already in a playlist. Before the only way was to try adding it to the playlist and see if it warned me of a duplicate.

3: Now I can see at a glance if it’s added to a playlist. If it’s added to 1 playlist then it’s probably added to all the playlists it needs to be.

And you can still add songs to your liked songs in 1 tap. I feel like the reason most people dont like it is because it’s a change that they aren’t used to.

But really, the ideal solution would’ve been if Spotify just added a settings option to change it back to the old way. But Spotify seems to be vehemently opposed to options.

Also, what’s way worse than the new like button is the stupid “smart shuffle”. I just want to turn off shuffle, but now I have to press it again. And it’s also really buggy, it will often display shuffle as off when it’s really on smart shuffle, so I get unpleasantly surprised with some random song I’ve never heard. I really wish there were third party apps for Spotify, cause the Spotify app kinda sucks

tigerjerusalem ,

Funny how it is, the smart shuffle is something I actually like because, when I’m in the mood, it brings something new to the table.

rbits ,

Yeah I just wish there was a toggle.

Also didn’t they have a thing like smart shuffle before, it was just called radio. But they seem to have removed it and replaced it with smart shuffle for playlists. I can only see the radio option for albums. That was better, because then it only did it when I wanted it.

lud ,

I use liked songs exclusively. I mostly use shuffle but I also unlike and like songs that I rediscover in my enormous (≈5000 songs) liked list so the songs end up at the top.

So the songs at the top are the songs that I am listening to currently. If I want something I haven’t heard in a while I just scroll down or use (the suboptimal) shuffle.

Unliking and liking used to be two clicks but now It’s 4 or 6 depending on the song and if it’s in another playlist or not.

I can’t understand why they couldn’t just add two buttons. Modern devices have plenty of screen real estate.

When they tried this last time people got outraged any they rolled back the change. Now Spotify is going ahead anyways.

rbits ,

Also what is the change to playlists? I wasn’t aware Spotify had folders. Did they remove them?

Edit: Nevermind they’re still there. What did they change?

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