There have been multiple accounts created with the sole purpose of posting advertisement posts or replies containing unsolicited advertising.

Accounts which solely post advertisements, or persistently post them may be terminated.

dinckelman ,

It’s not like the management has let people, who still work there, add or fix anything. It’s been nothing but Nitro promos, and animated profiles. Huge shame that people got laid off like this

Sabata11792 ,
@Sabata11792@kbin.social avatar

"Heres your hourly reminder to rent worthless garbage we want you to pay monthy for, per server"

spacebirb ,

God forbid they offer goods and services in exchange for money

surewhynotlem ,

The market decides. And the market seems to have decided that their goods and services are not worth exchanging for money.

vynlwombat ,

Discord is one of the few companies that don’t shove 3rd party ads down your throat. But they do advertise the hell out of nitro. And yeah, I don’t find nitro interesting enough to pay that much.

SuperSpruce ,

I used to occasionally pay for nitro due to the same reasons and the decent privacy policy–until they changed it early last year (or was it '22?) There I did a 180 and am anti-Discord now.

vynlwombat ,

Aaaaaaand discord introduces ads

stom ,
@stom@lemmy.world avatar

I pay for it.

The cost is worth the extra quality when working with others over screenshare etc. The community management features are useful. A large portion of my workflow is aided by discord and GitHub, both of whi h I pay for premium features.

I don’t expect them to provide these services for free considering the huge boost they give to productivity. Expecting them to be free is naive.

deweydecibel ,

There’s a difference between “offer” and “push”.

pycorax ,

I would if their features worked consistently for me. If I’m paying a monthly subscription, the app better not have major bugs in the key features I use. With my hardware configuration, screensharing is a blurry stuttery mess, their mobile app is a complete shitshow that can’t even layout elements correctly or display the correct channel without having to restart the app every few seconds.

It doesn’t help that their support seems to be ignoring reports of these issues from people.

OsrsNeedsF2P ,

laughs in Matrix

paraphrand ,

shop.matrix.org

Zoidberg ,

Unity, Google, Discord. All within a day or two of each other.

For every number of employees laid off, a VP level employee must be fired. Those employees didn’t hire themselves. Someone came up with the idea.

If companies don’t do this they’re not attacking the root of the problem.

CosmicCleric ,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

For every number of employees laid off, a VP level employee must be fired.

You’re expecting Morlocks to feast on each other, instead of feasting on the Eloi.

neclimdul ,

Also twitch. Yuck…

Probably some great devs on the market for anyone hiring though.

pologreem ,

Yeah, no

All devs must go through at least a year of unemployment according to these mofos

interdimensionalmeme ,

They coordinate to create a glut and push all their wages down. Computer touching wagies and so socially stunted they’ll never form effective union. If they did, they would jusy defect out of greed.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Computer touching wagies and so socially stunted they’ll never form effective union.

The industry is so niche, the technology is so heavily customized, and the people so idiosyncratic that I think forming a union shouldn’t be that hard. The real dampener is that the pay for these jobs is always far above the median. Five years of experience and you’re reaching towards six figures. Ten years and you’re well over the line. And in Silicon Valley, the sky is the limit. A master’s or phd in your field means you’re looking at $200k, $300k, $400k…

If there’s a big drop in wages (and considering the real estate prices in the neighborhoods where these businesses exist) something’s got to give. Maybe you get unions. Maybe you just get a bunch of businesses collapsing on themselves Twitter-style and forcing people back into the “indie company-in-my-garage” model. Maybe everyone becomes contractors.

But this isn’t sustainable in any serious sense.

interdimensionalmeme ,

and considering the real estate prices in the neighborhoods where these businesses exist) something’s got to give. M

I work in aerospace, we got unions back in the 70s and never let them go. For what the job actually is, it pays pretty good.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Aerospace pay is good, but it used to be a whole lot better. The salaries definitely haven’t kept up with executive pay, even if they’re multiples of the regional average. I’ve got a friend who went into aerospace and bemoans how he’s living solidly middle class in a field that used to put you squarely into the top 5% income bracket. Funny to see someone complain about earning a quarter million a year, but when buying a starter home costs twice that…

interdimensionalmeme ,

Oh I make 3 times less than that. But I slack off in a proportionnal manner !

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Plenty of slackers in the aerospace industry. Don’t let that hold you back.

interdimensionalmeme ,

I will be the slackiest of them all !

moon ,

Programmers are already ridiculously overpaid lol

Hyperlon ,

Year end business review

ipkpjersi ,

Bold of you to think that the VP level employees don’t get big raises in exchange for laying empoyees off.

Copernican , (edited )

I think it’s an unfair and naive assumption to think VPs all keep their jobs. I’ve seen some pretty nasty game of thrones plays by executive leadership during layoffs due to consolidation of teams and remits. Someone might get a bonus that doesn’t deserve it, but someone is going to get let go at a high level (albeit with a generous severance not offered to the rest of the employees).

Also, when new senior leadership comes in, it’s not uncommon for them to let heads roll at the leadership level to fill out the team with folks they know or trust. I’m not shedding a tear about where those folks will go on to find similar employment, but I think there’s a misconception about how safe those positions actually are.

ipkpjersi ,

I guess I’m jaded because I’ve seen far too many times where it’s the worker bees, the people who actually put the work in and get things done, getting the sharp end of the stick. I would be surprised if the 17% of employees Discord laid off actually included VPs.

Copernican ,

I hear you. You are going to see a lot more worker bees than VPs laid off in part because there’s a lot more worker bees than VPs.

per sfgate.com/…/discord-layoffs-citron-overhiring-ga…

The notice, required when companies perform mass layoffs, said the employees would officially leave Discord on Feb. 2. Dozens of engineers are among the casualties, as are several trust and safety employees, product managers and data scientists, according to the notice.

Depending on how the structure is laid out and what product areas were cut, I’m guessing up to the director level would be impacted.

paddirn ,

“sharpen our focus and improve the way we work together to bring more agility to our organization.”

Ahh yes, watching co-workers get laid off does wonders for improving the way you work together with the people still there.

OpenStars ,
@OpenStars@startrek.website avatar

It does make you work harder… at finding some other job:-P.

GissaMittJobb ,

Not exactly a stellar market to be looking in. Chances are that you’ll be trading down, especially if you’re in some level of big tech, like Discord arguably is.

GuyDudeman ,
@GuyDudeman@lemmy.world avatar

Right? Sharpening focus and working together have zero to do with how many people you employ.

This was about profits. It’s always about profits.

Hamartiogonic ,
@Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz avatar

Or maybe if has something to do with the limited availability of VC money. If you can’t find people to throw free money at your company, you need to figure out a way to actually make it profitable. You know, like a normal business…

After 15 rounds and 995.4 M$, maybe it’s about time.

AFC1886VCC ,

What a load of PR wank

PriorityMotif ,
@PriorityMotif@lemmy.world avatar

Trauma bonding exercise!

Emptiness ,
@Emptiness@lemmy.world avatar

“The beatings will continue until morale improves!”

BlanK0 ,

Shill element and we wouldn’t need to be in this situation people 😮‍💨

moon ,

I love Element and it’s absolutely my platform of choice, but it’s years out until it can be considered a Discord competitor.

moon ,

Can they lay off the infinite data they hoard with no option to mass delete as well?

tory ,

Shocked that discord employed 1k people tbh.

inb4_FoundTheVegan ,
@inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world avatar

To be clear, I’m not defeneding this pratice but explaining it. This cycle is how large businesses operate to foster growth over time.

  • Lay off people to tell stock holders they are becoming more efficient.
  • wait
  • Hiring spree, announce new features, new directions, hype hype hype
  • wait
  • Lay offs! Trimming overhead! Streamlining! Much efficency! Good business!
  • wait
  • Hyyyyyyype! Discord announces a plan to replace iMessage, Email and the entire concept of texting! Triples their staff! Such hype!

Rinse, repeat

It’s horrific for the employees and a scathing indictment as capitalism as a whole. But, this is how large businesses work, not nessecarily a massive corporate slip up.

Here is a lawyer explaining the “dance steps” that the game industries is doing as of late.

danielbln ,

That may have been true during the lavish times of ZIRP, but I wouldn’t expect to see this dance any longer, at least until money is cheap/free again.

Jyek ,

Money is always cheap for capitalists. Even the hardest of times is only hard for people without money.

nbafantest ,

This shows a complete misunderstanding of cheap money

Reddfugee42 ,

UNIONIZE

BlanK0 ,

Damn, this was very insightful. Thx for sharing!!! 😁

vsh ,
@vsh@lemm.ee avatar

All were linux devs /s

testeronious OP ,

haha, I wish they had 17% of their workforce as linux devs

MonkderZweite ,

Now how to move the gaming community to Matrix or XMPP.

Sylvartas ,

You don’t. Gamers, are generally happy to bow to their corporate overlords for some reason.

Source: am a gamer. And I admit I do put up with some of that bullshit too.

Tangent5280 ,

I think that behaviour pattern has it’s roots in the perceived dominance of Microsoft windows in the gaming sphere - we can fix that by encouraging people to game with linux.

Sylvartas ,

Yeah I was thinking about exactly that when writing this comment. Windows is one of these things I’m currently putting up with.

I’m planning on building a new PC though, and since I love my steam deck I’m wondering if I should try going full Linux with this one.

saintshenanigans ,

Would love to if my favorite games weren’t all EAC locked on linux

Emerald ,

I just don’t run spyware

Draedron ,

Why? Discord is still as functional as ever. Why would I move platform?

MonkderZweite ,

Because it locks you out from even seeing the mods and stuff if you don’t have an account. Old time forums were better.

labbbb ,

I use Matrix already 3 years now

RandomStickman ,
@RandomStickman@kbin.social avatar

Any alternative you would recommend? I'm mostly using it for video group call for dnd. Although convincing the group to change to yet another program would be the hardest part.

m_randall ,

As far as self hosted I’ve heard a lot about matrix but haven’t tried it. Maybe I’ll give it a shot this weekend.

matrix.org

There’s also telegram, slack, etc if you want something else commercial.

Ebsku ,

I’ve convinced few of my friends to use Matrix and it has been a really nice platform and now I prefer it to Discord not only because it respects user privacy but also because it doesn’t have the nitro bs

m_randall ,

That’s great to hear. Somehow everyone and everything is on discord now and I really am not a fan of it what with all the pop ups and flashing shiny things to buy lol.

I’ll try to get my smaller groups on matrix

brian ,

you can run a bridge. I forget that friends are on discord sometimes bc it’s so seamless, and they can’t tell I’m not sending messages from discord either. I do have to use the discord app for voip tho

Ebsku ,

Yeah I still have a lot of friends that just refuse to get off Discord but at least I got a few people to move like I said

m_randall ,

Someone replied to me that you can run a bridge and never even know. I’m definitely trying it out now. Sick of all the nitro ads.

AlteredStateBlob ,
@AlteredStateBlob@kbin.social avatar

Does Matrix have video calls by now?

OsrsNeedsF2P ,

Only if you use Element. Seems like the new Element client is making it even better, but afaik no protocol level support: element.io/…/element-x-now-with-embedded-voip/

Urist ,
@Urist@lemmy.ml avatar

They are just using an implementation of Jitsi for the time being. Long story short: Yes, but they are still working on it.

rafadavidc ,

The inertia of “what we have works fine” is why I’m still using a lot of things.

CoopaLoopa , (edited )

Microsoft Roblox ripped off Discord and branded it as Guilded GG. Features-wise for audio and game streaming, they offer higher quality than Discord for free.

Is there any chance you’ll get your group of friends to move to “MS Teams for gamers”? anything other than Discord? No chance.

Edited: Correction that Guilded is owned by Roblox, not MS.

fjordbasa , (edited )

Guilded.gg is owned by Roblox, where does Microsoft come into play?

CoopaLoopa ,

Just checked and you’re right. Looks like it was always owned by Roblox.

I must be getting it mixed up with the Teams features they added to the Xbox game bar on windows.

krash ,

Matrix, I’d you want something truly open and respects user privacy.

Cris_Color ,
@Cris_Color@lemmy.world avatar

Not sure if matrix does video calls, so if you’re looking for something additional for that functionality, jitsi may be worth looking into. If I recall correctly its open source

RandomStickman ,
@RandomStickman@kbin.social avatar

Thanks for reminding me of jitsi! I'll see if my group would bite for a matrix and jitsi combo lol

Cris_Color ,
@Cris_Color@lemmy.world avatar

Someone else responded to me saying I wasn’t sure if matrix supports video calls:

“They do, group video calls are implementing Jitsi.”

Integration might make things even easier :)

Best of luck!

Urist ,
@Urist@lemmy.ml avatar

They do, group video calls are implementing Jitsi.

chitak166 ,

Matrix is to discord as lemmy is to reddit.

The fediverse is the future.

soggy_kitty ,

Host a teamspeak server on a raspberry pi, the sound quality is superior and there’s no stupid feature set you don’t need

crispy_kilt ,

Jitsi

jaykay ,
@jaykay@lemmy.zip avatar

Before you do that, can you fix screen sharing on Linux?

danielf ,

I haven’t used Discord in a while so YMMV but I used to use WebCord and screen sharing worked pretty well IIRC. It uses an up-to-date Electron version which has better support for modern desktop Linux protocols. There are probably plenty of other alternative clients that just repackage the web app with better Linux support. There’s also gtkcord4 which is a native Gtk client, though definitely not as polished as the official client.

jaykay ,
@jaykay@lemmy.zip avatar

It does support it, but not the audio :/

Blisterexe ,

Try vesktop!

jaykay ,
@jaykay@lemmy.zip avatar

Oh wow, it actually works! Thanks! But there are issues with EasyEffects (it’s being worked on) and low framerates during streaming (also being worked on). But it does work

Telodzrum ,

Man I know Wayland is the future, I just wish the future was better.

Potfarmer ,

Discord went the way of Skype, it’s just a bloated fustercluck now. I don’t use it often, just once a month or so to keep up with a group of old friends, and every time I fire it up it has a new update bringing features I don’t give a rats ass about.

FlavoredButtHair ,
@FlavoredButtHair@lemmy.world avatar

So the nitro subscription is gonna up to increase profits?

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

They’re going to dedicate their entire next year’s budget to introduce a new kind of emoji, though.

FlavoredButtHair ,
@FlavoredButtHair@lemmy.world avatar

Gotta have all the new DLC/cosmetic stuff.

dylanTheDeveloper ,
@dylanTheDeveloper@lemmy.world avatar

🫄

Copernican ,

In this thread: Fuck Discord! Fuck capitalism! No company should lay off 170 people.

In other thread: Fuck Boeing! Fuck capitalism! The company should die along with all 150,000 jobs occupied by their employees.

eskimofry ,

Consistency is the hobgoblin of mindless something… something…

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