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Voroxpete ,

Jesus Christ, this is I getting nsane. When did it become unacceptable to say that genocide is bad?

aeronmelon ,

When it interferes with the bottom line.

DogMuffins ,

The article says that the app description said something about “killing children”.

It’s not really surprising google removed it. I mean they could’ve just edited the description or whatever but… policy I guess.

Sounds like it will be back any minute.

andrew_bidlaw ,

Google probably doesn’t have a stance here. They just sanitize everything for you to consume without a second thought. I wonder if it violated some children-related policies.

idiocracy ,

since its fake news, propoganda, brain washing and antisemic

OtakuAltair ,

Capitalism taking its natural course of prioritizing capital/profit over human lives.

Join/organize protests and Socialist movements if you want change.

Aux ,

Fuck off with your genocide agenda!

OtakuAltair ,

Sorry for caring about human lives more than profit 😔

Aux ,

You mean you’re carrying more about ending human lives.

YeetPics ,
@YeetPics@mander.xyz avatar

If you’re gonna be abrasive and demonstrably wrong, at least spell shit right.

Aux ,

Oh you, genocidal maniacs…

YeetPics ,
@YeetPics@mander.xyz avatar

Sure whatever, go do a genocide about it I guess.

netchami ,

When the US supports it, it’s not genocide anymore. It’s just becomes “self-defense”.

pdxfed ,

It’s great to have God On Your Side®

netchami ,

Almost every attacker in history has claimed that they have God on their side™

pdxfed ,

Yes, that is the entire point of the reference.

Bartsbigbugbag , (edited )

Yeah they’re talking about the Dylan song by that title.

PhlubbaDubba ,

A technique stretching all the way back to the Roman days

Is anyone really surprised we’re still up Brutus’ ass when the library of congress only just recently acknowledged that the US system is based much more on the Haudenosaunee Confederation than the Roman Republic, no matter how much the marble fap gang tries to insist otherwise

MonkderZweite ,

It’s probably just an antimalware bot going wild. An unlucky filter somewhere matching “israel” (i had to regex-process invoices once, same shit), blown out of proportion by the culture of outrage doing it’s thing.

But now that Google is forced to admit to one side, they will probably prefer to say nothing and just take the blame. It will be forgotten in a month anyway.

TangledHyphae ,

If they wanted genocide, why aren’t they killing the millions of Palestinians that are still alive outside of the war zone?

otter , (edited )

Not condoning the bullshit, just pointing out that the app is back up on the store as of 5hrs ago

Direct Play Store link

edit: furthermore, if actual boycotting is your legit interest instead of impotent, anonymous outrage, here’s a similar app that offers the same functionality.

PhlubbaDubba ,

Because despite treating Israeli Holocaust Survivors like dirt, Israel has successfully sold itself as being justified because of the Holocaust, so outside observers who’ve never heard of soap being a slur in hebrew because jews who didn’t experience that contempt the ones that did flinch when you point out how the early settlerists established bank infrastructure with the Nazis to facilitate well of jews moving to Israel under pressure, or how current settlement communities literally have Lebensraum ideation of taking everything between the Nile and Euphrates.

These psychopaths are so hell bent that the Arabs don’t even get their own ancestral homeland anymore if the zionists get their way, Aden is just a piece of Israel that lost the memo!

apfelwoiSchoppen ,
@apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world avatar

Streisand Effect

Free Palestine from the river to the sea.

iopq ,

What I don’t understand, as someone who doesn’t support Hamas or Netanyahu, is why you would chant that.

Like, where would Jews go? Is that actually a real solution? Only super old people actually came to Israel from another country, most of the Israelis don’t know any other home

PatFussy ,

They chant that because it means something different depending on who says it. The Palestinians have been chanting this slogan for many years since the PLO times. The call was to unite the people to show unity between the people of gaza to west bank. However, when Hamas took power, the chant turned into something antisemitic. So you will hear both sides now, unite the people and wishes for terror.

idiocracy ,

no. it means all jews should b expelled, if not dead.

OtakuAltair ,

Zionists*

Yes, all Zionists should be expelled, or dead. Don’t mistake Zionists for normal Jewish people, the same way you don’t mistake Islamic extremists for normal Muslims.

idiocracy ,

q. e. d.

OtakuAltair , (edited )

Do you understand there is a difference between extremist Islamists and normal Muslims? Or do you think they’re the same?

In the the same vein, do you think Zionist settlers are the same as regular Jewish people, who are protesting against Israel and the US’s actions?

idiocracy ,

do you?

Saxoboneless ,
@Saxoboneless@lemmy.world avatar

Well for one, Jews and specifically Israelis don’t have to go anywhere for Palestine and Palestinians to be free?

Like the slogan just does not at all necessarily imply what you’re imagining (or what the US congress claims) it does. That slogan’s been around longer than Hamas.

iain ,

Exactly, it’s the whole “black lives matter” vs “all lives matter” thing all over again.

iopq ,

We saw how that played out in the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict. After it was “freed” by Azerbaijan, 100,000 people were displaced. Sure, they didn’t have to go, but some people don’t like living under a dictatorship.

Gaza didn’t have an election since 2006

iopq ,

It’s not the free part I have an issue with, it’s the geography

NIB ,

The slogan is being used by far right israelis too. And it is implicitly genocidal for both sides. Israel is here to stay and so is Palestine. Both sides need to accept this so we can move towards the next goal, defining which lands go to which side.

Israel needs to be charitable and give back land, remove settlers, etc. And in response Palestine needs to control its people and guarantee the safety of Israel.

A lot of Israel’s landgrab is because of security concerns or at least thats Israel’s excuse. If Palestine can remove that excuse by providing security, things can become a lot simpler.

The problem is that Palestine does not exist as a country with a unified government, partly because of Israel(supported hamas, etc), so Israel continues having legitimate security concerns.

prole ,

To be fair, we do say the same thing about “all lives matter.” An objectively true statement that can border on hate speech depending on context

LaLiLuLuCo ,

Literally 75% of Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza choose it as the explicit genocide option on a survey that Includes one state for two people as an option. This is a poll done by a Palestinian university in the west bank, claiming its Israeli propaganda would be pretty stupid. All the US congress did was assert to the public what the meaning is to a super majority of Palestinians in Palestine. The diaspora pushing a different narrative never speaks up when the crowds chant the Arabic version that ends in “Palestine will be Arab” (or “Palestine is Arab”).

awrad.org/…/Public Opinion Poll - Gaza War 2023 -…

Fitik ,

You know the original slogan in Arabic? What slogan it's translation of?

min al-mayyeh lil-mayyeh / Filasṭīn ʿarabiyyeh (من المياه للمياه / فلسطين عربية 'from the water to the water / Palestine [is] Arab')

sugartits ,

Many who chant it don’t even know what river or sea they are talking about without looking it up.

And they don’t care what happens to the Jews. It’s a racist chant which is basically supporting genocide.

It’s an idiotic phrase that only morons and racists would repeat. It’s unrealistic and doesn’t solve a damn thing. But of course the herd will repeat the catchy phrase because they have an excuse to be openly racist but still have a way of justifying it.

There. I said it.

And no, before these same idiots say otherwise: I am not happy with how Israel or the IDF is handling the current situation or the situation before October. Nor am I a supporter of hamas and their actions in early October; Israel just had their own 9/11, so of course they are going to react miltaryary, of course they fucking are, like every country on the planet would.

This whole thing is like watching two unlikeable assholes having a boxing match. It’s basically boogie2899 Vs wingsofredemption but with a lot more death and destruction, so it’s not funny.

rambaroo ,

“Of course they’re going to bomb refugee camps and schools, of fucking course they are” Jesus Christ just stfu already with the bullshit excuses

sugartits ,

I’m not making excuses. Try reading my comment again and thinking for a moment.

You can do it! I believe in you!

avater ,
@avater@lemmy.world avatar

take my upvote good sir

OtakuAltair , (edited )

Jesus christ, Israel is literally a British colony. Getting Jews out of Europe was exactly what the Nazis wanted.

Zionism isn’t some centuries old thing; it’s based in British colonization tactics. It started in full force only around 70 years ago to serve British military interests in the region.

The companies made are literally called “Colonization Commission” and ‘the Jewish Colonial Trust’

Israel, EU, and the US should decolonize the region and return it to Palestine. Where they go is up to those governments to manage, because they started this. But that goes against their profit incentives, which is to keep the middle-east divided through war, keep oil cheap, and prevent them from uniting against the imperial core, no matter how many hundreds of thousands of civilians are killed in the process.

People are being displaced and forced out of their homes by settlers and military right now. Fuck colonizers.

The PFLP, the second largest Palestinian liberation group after Fatah, calls for a secular Palestinian state where Jews, Muslims, etc. will live together in peace. Modern Fatah even accepts a two-state solution (and they have every right not to). Only Hamas is mixing up Zionists with Jews, and that’s entirely because of Israel and the Imperial core’s constant oppression, displacement, and now genocide of the natives.

iopq ,

When Jews lived there in period of Judah and Israel, was that also European colonization?

Let’s not forget that Muslims conquered this region, it wasn’t magically peacefully obtained. Was this not colonialism?

OtakuAltair , (edited )

Reactionary thinking like this is what lets colonizers and settlers continue to do what they’re doing even in the modern day. A war 1400 years ago does not justify colonizing and slaughtering natives right now. Surely you can see how fucked up that is?

Theodor Herzl, founder of Zionism, knew this, and did not mince his words. He was simply racist, and saw it as bringing ‘civilization’ to barbarians as did the rest of Europe when they were colonizing and enslaving Africa and Asia:

“We should there form a portion of a rampart of Europe against Asia, an outpost of civilization as opposed to barbarism. We should as a neutral State remain in contact with all Europe, which would have to guarantee our existence.” Source [II]

That is exactly what’s happening right now. All for European and US military and economic interests in the region.

iopq ,

Great, then we agree, Hamas killing innocents is in no way justified. Most of Gaza is under 18 years old. Not only were they not alive for the events of 1949, their parents most likely were not either.

Where did I say I support settlers?

OtakuAltair , (edited )

Not only were they not alive for the events of 1949, their parents most likely were not either.

You realize Gaza has been an open-air prison ever since, right? And you’re trying to use the decreased life expectancy in Gaza from Israeli oppression to deny their right to fight back against colonizers? What the fuck?

LaLiLuLuCo , (edited )

Two five star hotels isn’t something you find in a prison.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Beach_Resort,_Gaza

Also 70% of jews in Israel, half the population are native jews not Europeans of any kind.

Of the 20% Arab population, as many that live in Gaza, 70% identify with Israel over Palestine. A historic high that increased after weeks of war. Calling them colonizers is inaccurate and insulting levels of racism.

The life expectancy in Gaza was actually 75 years, whatever 40 number you saw is misinformation. They had an average amount of hospitals and medical clinics per capita. There’s a lot of kids because people have a lot of kids. Why the population has ballooned.

They also managed to get phones and other resources in. Almost like it wasn’t really a full blockade. Lots would go to work in Israel before the latest war.

iopq ,

Ah, yes, kill and rape to prove how right you are. See how that’s working out for them

rambaroo ,

You are talking about shit that happened 1400 years ago. Such a flimsy and ridiculous excuse for expelling millions of Palestinians from their homes. The entitlement and religious extremism is incredible

iopq ,

I never said I support settlers or whatever they are doing in West Bank.

johker216 ,

How many years of Israeli occupation have to go by until it is no longer considered occupation and Israeli land? There has to be a dividing line between the expulsions 1400 years ago and that time where the land became Palestinian, no? Palestinians and Israelis (Jewish, Muslim, Christian, non-religious, etc.) have an equal claim to existence - many of those that want to disband the colonist state of Israel are also advocating genocide. Genocide doesn’t always mean killing - it also means the destruction of national identity. It’s obvious that a two state solution is necessary to stop and avoid future genocide of both peoples. “River to the sea” never meant coexistence and I think it’s about time people stop advocating for a counter-genocide with that slogan.

voodooattack ,

Oh, so given your opinion, can African Americans or Chinese Americans return to their respective continents, occupy an entire country by displacing its current population, and claim it as their ancestral land? How delusional.

And since when is “the period of Judah” an accurate historical reference point?

iopq ,

The Israelis were born and raised in Israel. Nobody is coming back from anywhere

Jonna ,

Before the Zionist movement, Palestine was ruled first by the Ottomans and then the British. Prior to Zionism, the land held Christians (the latest bombardment destroyed the 3rd oldest Christian Church in the world), Muslims, and Jews. In fact the early Palestinian national movement considered Jewish Palestinians to be Palestinian and their demands them full rights in a secular state of Palestine.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Jews

Genetics, if that matters, shows that the pre-zionist natives of Palestine are closely related to European (Sepahrdic and Ashkenazi) Jews. Basically some people left centuries ago, but some people stayed.

Now since 1948 those that left want to kick out those that stayed, or kill them if they don’t leave.

iopq ,

I still don’t see the relevance, the whole region is a bunch of people conquering it

Thorny_Insight ,

It’s a thought terminating clishe. It’s easy to avoid complex issues if you can just repeat a quick little chant to get out of critical thinking.

SlikPikker ,

Israel can’t and shouldn’t exist in the future.

An ethnic religious state can never be free.

iopq ,

But it will exists, so maybe try to work in thay framework for a solution

SulaymanF ,

It means that Palestinians living in West Bank and Gaza should be free from Israeli oppression and Palestinians living in Israel should be free from apartheid. It doesn’t mean kicking people out.

Buelldozer ,
@Buelldozer@lemmy.today avatar

That isn’t what it means. You are trying to RetCon history to align with present day values. Stop it.

LaLiLuLuCo , (edited )

Literally 75% of Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza choose it as the explicit genocide option on a survey that Includes one state for two people as an option. This is a poll done by a Palestinian university in the west bank, claiming its Israeli propaganda would be pretty stupid.

awrad.org/…/Public Opinion Poll - Gaza War 2023 -…

The gas lighting is intense. The charitable take that people are ignorant just says a lot about their knowledge of the region and the conflict.

'48 Palestinians in Israel also are full citizens timesofisrael.com/amid-war-poll-finds-arab-israel… their situation has vastly improved and labeling it apartheid is ignorance. That label can only apply to Gaza and the West Bank and arguably then even when compared with actual apartheid. There are Arabs in parliament, on the Supreme Court, and in the highest ranks of the IDF. Like fuck, Benny Gantz, one of the three ministers in the war cabinet, was shit talking in Arabic during the ceasefire because Israelis learn Arabic in school too. A significant number of the troops killed in Gaza are Druze, another minority Abrahamic faith that speaks Arabic with a large minority population in Israel. Highest standard of living for their minority in the region. There’s a movement since the war started to enshrine them in Israel’s Basic Law (constitution).

Jonna ,

There are covenants all through Israel that forbid travel and residency by “full citizens” Palestinians of Israeli citizenship. There are separate schools. Do we not remember “separate is not equal”?

LaLiLuLuCo ,

Most schools are integrated. There’s no seperate busses or restrictions.

America has issues with home owners associations too. It also has religious schools. Ever hear about redlining or looking at a ethnicity map of a city like Chicago or Detroit?

Israeli Arab travel is not restricted inside of Israel. You are probably thinking of the west bank.

Btw Israeli jews aren’t allowed into parts of the west bank and Jerusalem either.

SulaymanF ,

That’s nice excuse making. There’s YouTube videos of Israeli bus drivers refusing to take Palestinian passengers.

HOAs in America are private contracts but the Knesset passed The Admissions Committees Law (2011) which allows hundreds of small towns built on state land to select applicants based on their “social suitability”. The law is used in practice to filter out Israeli Arabs and members of other marginalized groups. The fact that the government does this is much much worse than an HOA.

LaLiLuLuCo ,

Here’s a very real lived experience for you: anyone can go to the Western Wall in Jerusalem, the 2nd most holy Jewish site with a security check. Anyone can go to the major Christian sites. Only Muslims are officially allowed to go to the Temple Mount, the first most holy Jewish site.

SulaymanF ,

I’ve been to Israel multiple times. Israeli Arabs are not allowed at the western wall and are turned away by security. I can introduce you to some of you don’t believe me.

And the Temple Mount is under the control of the Jordanian government by Israeli treaty and the Israeli military isn’t letting people in, even most rabbis have said the Mount is off limits to Jews. Not that that’s stopped extemeists from going there. The Israeli military also often bans Muslims under age 60 from visiting so you’re not special.

KittyCat ,

Fuck off with that, its just as genocidal as the zionests.

Sauvandu59 , (edited )

Free Palestine from the river to the sea. 🇵🇸🇵🇸

Debunking : “From the river to the sea” is a call to genocide.

When Palestinians call for freedom from the river to the sea, they are calling for decolonization and the dismantling of this racist colonial entity which dominates their lives, and seek to replace it with a state that would not exist at the expense of the subjugation of others.

This is hardly a new or radical position, such an entity was suggested by the Arab states as a counter-proposal to the 1947 partition plan. Naturally, this was rejected by the Zionists. That we barely ever hear about the offers that the Yishuv/Israel rejected should be an indicator of the nature of mainstream discussions on Palestine and the silencing of Palestinian voices. The Palestinian Liberation Organization also called for establishing a secular, democratic unitary state for all its citizens. Naturally, none of these proposals included genocide, ethnic cleansing or mass murder.

LaLiLuLuCo ,

Debunking that Blog is really easy. All you need to do is listen to actual Palestinians in Palestine instead of anonymous blogs.

Like a survey conducted by Palestine’s Birzeit University’s Arab World for Research & Development (AWRAD)

Literally 75% of Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza choose it as the explicit genocide option on a survey that Includes one state for two people as an option. This is a poll done by a Palestinian university in the west bank after the start of the war, claiming its Israeli propaganda would be pretty stupid. All the US congress did was assert to the public what the meaning is to a super majority of Palestinians in Palestine. The diaspora pushing a different narrative never speaks up when the crowds chant the Arabic version that ends in “Palestine will be Arab” (or “Palestine is Arab”).

awrad.org/…/Public Opinion Poll - Gaza War 2023 -…

https://lemmy.ca/pictrs/image/f50bf538-c579-40dd-855b-675d0b0999ad.jpeg

LaLiLuLuCo ,

For all the people still in denial, that is a genocide slogan.

All you need to do is listen to actual Palestinians in Palestine instead of anonymous blogs.

Like a survey conducted by Palestine’s Birzeit University’s Arab World for Research & Development (AWRAD)

Literally 75% of Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza choose it as the explicit genocide option on a survey that Includes one state for two people as an option. This is a poll done by a Palestinian university in the west bank after the start of the war, claiming its Israeli propaganda would be pretty stupid. All the US congress did was assert to the public what the meaning is to a super majority of Palestinians in Palestine. The diaspora pushing a different narrative never speaks up when the crowds chant the Arabic version that ends in “Palestine will be Arab” (or “Palestine is Arab”).

awrad.org/…/Public Opinion Poll - Gaza War 2023 -…

https://lemmy.ca/pictrs/image/e5325433-087c-4d3f-863c-bfeb81ad0530.jpeg

snek , (edited )
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

So basically you are saying this:

Palestinians committing genocide:

https://newcoldwar.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/unnamed-8-1536x1023-1-e1624533553946.jpg

Israel committing genocide:

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.newshub.co.nz%2Fhome%2Fworld%2F2023%2F12%2Fisrael-hamas-conflict-palestinians-starving-say-it-s-impossible-to-find-food-in-gaza%2F_jcr_content%2Fpar%2Fvideo%2Fimage.dynimg.1280.q75.jpg%2Fv1702336839956%2Fgetty-GAZA-1120.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=9363894377932d4b541bc9438d4a6d43fcc07e3d675441a006d4211893f8c238&ipo=images

britishteadrinker ,

No calls for genocide please.

apfelwoiSchoppen ,
@apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah I agree, Israel should stop actually committing genocide.

britishteadrinker ,

That wasn’t what I meant, and you knew it. Well done!

apfelwoiSchoppen ,
@apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah, actual facts. Simply trying to stick to actual genocide instead of illusory projected genocide.

britishteadrinker ,

And the October the 7th was just a friendly little fight was it? Oh no, that was genocide.

apfelwoiSchoppen , (edited )
@apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world avatar

International groups like the UN and Amnesty International talk about ongoing genocide. It is Israel that is committing this genocide. What you speak of is also terrible and sad. But Israel chooses this path, not Palestinians. So long as a group of people remain harshly oppressed, without food, water, education, healthcare, infrastructure, jobs, freedom to travel, freedom from being caged in, having homes taken from them at gunpoint or by bombs, we will continue to see bloody resistance with asymmetrical reaction.

Israeli quote from an open letter in Haaretz newspaper in 1967 right after the 6 Days War: “Our right to defend ourselves against annihilation does not grant us the right to oppress others. Conquest brings in its wake foreign rule. Foreign rule brings in its wake resistance. Resistance brings in its wake oppression. Oppression brings in its wake terrorism and counterterrorism. The victims of terrorism are usually innocent people. Holding onto the territories will turn us into a nation of murderers and murder victims. Let us leave the occupied territories now.”

britishteadrinker ,

October the 7th was an act of genocide. It was the biggest single loss of life of Jewish people since the holocaust.

I’m not saying that Israel are handling things great either btw. But the term “to the river to the sea” is genocidal, and October the 7th was also genocidal

mightyfoolish ,

I need to get off Android after this. OnePlus 6 is so close to being ready on PostMarketOS (conventional Linux for smartphones) but I don’t think I can wait for it anymore.

Lucidlethargy ,

I’d love to try an alternative for at least the store. It’s absolutely impossible to find and app worthwhile on there. Like, it’s insane. It’s all just bullshit that is paid, or gaming their system (just like Google.com is becoming like, actually.)

0x2d ,

pixel 3a has great ubuntu touch and droidian support

source: i got one on ebay to mess with custom roms and stuff on

codenul ,

Been running /e/os on Oneplus 6T and it’s been great. Built in tracker blocker is nice. Maybe a possible alternative to try

mightyfoolish ,

Thank you for the suggestion. I forgot about e and will look into it and graphene.

TangledHyphae ,

You can always install F-Droid and side-load .apk on Android. Apple censors anything remotely negative about China, among other concerning positions. Neither mobile company is good, so why ditch Android entirely?

pokemaster787 ,

Agreed, they both suck but I’ll at least stick with the one that begrudgingly lets me install what I want vs. the one that tells me what I’m allowed to install completely.

fraydabson ,

I don’t think they implied that they would switch to Apple. They just want off android so bad they can’t wait for the new Linux mobile OS

TangledHyphae ,

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    Cethin ,

    They literally said PostMarketOS in their comment.

    01011 ,

    PostMarketOS is an alternative to Android that has nothing to do with Apple.

    TangledHyphae ,

    What all hardware does it run on? In a stable way, that is.

    01011 , (edited )

    Librem 5 and a bunch of older Android devices - including Fairphone 4, OnePlus 6/6T, Xiaomi Pocophone F1 postmarketos.org/download/

    floppade ,

    Thanks genuinely appreciate this

    YeetPics ,
    @YeetPics@mander.xyz avatar

    why ditch Android entirely?

    Neither mobile company is good

    mightyfoolish , (edited )

    I love fdroid. I would sell it to the average user on the fact that the apps are adfree.

    As another user said, iOS allegedly has more privacy protections. Another issue I have with Google is they might use DRM to prevent modifying webpages. Which adblocking and other tracker blocking software need to do.

    Zummy ,

    I’m an iPhone user and I really enjoy my iPhone, but understand that Apple is perfect either. If you like side-loading apps you can forget about that on the iPhone. Additionally, there’s plenty of censorship when it comes to China because Apple won’t lose its precious revenue it gets in that Asian market. Personally, I don’t like Google because I don’t believe the make any real attempts to protect your privacy, but understand that Apple isn’t perfect either.

    serratur ,

    EU has forced apple to allow sideloading

    Zummy ,

    Yeah, but it hasn’t happened yet, and while it certainly will, we don’t know if Apple will bring that everywhere or only in countries where they have to.

    mightyfoolish ,

    This is a fair point. Apple definitely has better privacy protection than Android. To me, this was the second most important difference (the first would be Android is more open source even though the version that gets to your phone isn’t really that open).

    floppade ,

    Thanks this thread was sincerely useful

    fne8w2ah , (edited )

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/76c24b45-c544-4f51-a826-c5c6b3f69ab9.jpeg

    Slightly off tangent but last year appeared this particular ID Nahui Scanner app that scans barcodes and highlights any Russian-made products (released in March 2022 but unfortunately no updates since then). So it basically operates similarly to the aforementioned No Thanks app.

    febra ,

    Well, it’s okay to boycott Russia for invading and occupying parts of Ukraine but god forbid you boycott Israel for invading and occupying the entirety of what we know as post 1967 Palestine.

    teichflamme ,

    Ukraine didn’t fire rockets at Russia and kidnap Russians for decades.

    febra ,

    No, but Israel imposed apartheid in the form of a military occupation onto Palestinians for decades.

    teichflamme ,

    I don’t think you know what Apartheid is sorry

    Shyfer ,

    amnesty.org/…/israels-apartheid-against-palestini…

    febra ,

    I’m fairly sure I know what apartheid is.

    SuddenDownpour ,

    Would you say Mandela’s party knows what Apartheid is?

    Sparlock ,

    I don’t think you know what Apartheid is sorry.

    Linkerbaan ,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    Ukraine blew up a major Russian railway a few days ago what are you talking about.

    Ukraine is doing plenty of terrorism against their occupier. Your double standards are showing.

    YeetPics ,
    @YeetPics@mander.xyz avatar

    Jeeze, I wonder why ukraine would do such a thing. Is there some sort of beef between Ukraine and Russia?

    (/s)

    Linkerbaan ,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    Jeeze, I wonder why Hamas would do such a thing. Is there some sort of beef between Palestine and israel?

    (/s)

    teichflamme ,

    Because they are at war now?

    Linkerbaan ,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    They’re not at war bro it’s just a “special military operation” . Same thing the israelis have been doing for the last 75 years.

    SCB ,

    Israel formally declared war on Palestine.

    febra ,

    On Palestine? Israel doesn’t recognize Palestine.

    SCB ,

    amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/10/08/…/index.html

    They declared war against the government of Palestine, Hamas. There is effectively no difference

    GiveMemes ,

    Wasn’t that in response to the terrorism tho, making that terrorism very much not an act of war? Also Hamas didn’t blow up a train line, they shot up a music festival. Your false equivalency is showing.

    SCB ,

    My only participation in this discussion is clarifying that Israel declared war.

    GiveMemes , (edited )

    The significance of which is exactly zero since it happened after the terror attack and the discussion up to that point was discussing the attack killing 1400 civilians by Hamas (before Israel declared war) as compared to Ukraine disrupting Russian supply lines (while currently at war).

    I’m glad that was your only contribution, but if you can’t see why I said what I said, I really don’t think there’s much hope in trying to explain :(

    febra ,

    Hamas isn’t the government of Palestine. That is the Palestinian Authority.

    SCB ,

    Hamas is the government in Gaza. The Palestinian Authority lost to Hamas who promptly canceled elections forever

    febra ,

    Just say that Israel has declared war on Hamas. Not Palestine.

    PhlubbaDubba ,

    Russia hasn’t pre-empted its invasion with decades of screed about how they’re owed that land because of the Holocaust and how disagreeing is russophobia

    therealjcdenton ,

    Man this is sad to see, people falling for the Hamas propaganda or willing ignoring the truth because their antisemitic, or it’s what it’s always been, immature people doing whatever makes the old people in office angry

    Sanyanov ,

    People don’t support Hamas.

    People want to stop civilian massacre.

    therealjcdenton ,

    So then people should be blaming Hamas for using civilians as human shields, it’s one big propaganda stunt using lives, and y’all are falling for it

    Dashi ,

    Military members of either side have the option to not shoot the human shields. Yes, maybe it will require a surgical strike via spec ops instead of a javelin missle. Maybe you can’t blow up that military target due to it being in a hospital. Sure militarily that is a less than ideal outcome but then you would not be on the global stage needing to defend your warcrimes.

    Just a thought

    danielfgom ,
    @danielfgom@lemmy.world avatar

    Well done Google.

    Just because a war is going on in someone’s country doesn’t mean you need to punish or target every company in that country. The war is not their fault. It has nothing to do with them.

    They should ban the app altogether for discrimination.

    Sanyanov ,

    “Here you can see if the product in your hand supports killing children” is a strong line, but of course it will be banned - not due to Google being particularly pro-Israel or pro-massacre, but because this won’t go well with advertisers, regulators and literally anyone in power.

    Big Tech just can’t afford to allow such bold moves, and it’s not political (aside from Big Tech itself being cancer that needs to be eradicated, but that’s topic for another day)

    IHadTwoCows ,

    I love how all the pro-business and free speech advocates of the past thirty years have not yet realised that these concepts are mutually exclusive.

    Eximius ,

    Mutual exclusion means either one is true or the other, but not both. But also what he said has no two specific concepts? What do you mean?

    Banning because of advertiser / regulator / government populism vs. It not being political?

    floppade ,

    It seems likely to me that there are campaigns of people mass reporting content and apps to get then taken down even if it’s just temporarily. Sure, in some cases, like TikTok, they are meeting with rich Zionists who are lobbying for censor anything anti-Zionist. That takes time to negotiate in some cases I would imagine.

    Most people and most Zionists are not rich I think. It’d be faster to run a coordinated mass report campaign through some influencer to trigger the automated moderation.

    So even if Google weren’t financially involved in Israel’s occupation, which it is, people could use the mechanisms of its automations to censor things on their own for everyone.

    s38b35M5 ,
    @s38b35M5@lemmy.world avatar

    It seems likely to me that there are campaigns of people mass reporting content and apps to get then taken down[…]

    Case in point. Maybe my example is more DMCA-centric than you meant, but same practice applies here.

    floppade ,

    In addition to taking advantage of automated systems, yes many groups are engaging in pressure campaigns on specific companies and organizations to engage in censorship right now.

    0x2d ,

    it says to boycott google but uses firebase :\

    floppade ,

    Eh BDS doesn’t ask for a financial boycott of Google. It’s running a pressure campaign. bdsmovement.net has more info

    MacNCheezus ,
    @MacNCheezus@lemmy.today avatar

    Dumb question perhaps, but why don’t they just make it a web app or a mobile website instead?

    Blackmist ,

    Because Google won’t ban those and give them free publicity.

    Orbituary ,
    @Orbituary@lemmy.world avatar

    The list is immense. I would almost prefer a list of brands okay to buy from, free of zionist support. It would be smaller and easiest to maintain.

    idiocracy ,

    totally not circlejerking brainwashed herd

    edit: lol as I was correcting spelling someone already down voted, this quickly! u guys/bots r hilarious

    Orbituary ,
    @Orbituary@lemmy.world avatar

    Bro, I’m no bot. Mine is a legit down vote.

    idiocracy ,

    q. e. d.

    YeetPics ,
    @YeetPics@mander.xyz avatar

    Beep boop, you’re a dipshit

    Fitik ,

    I wish those were bots, but they're real people sadly, Google "tankies".

    HaggierRapscallier ,

    There’s a simple diagram of a few targeted products to boycott here. bdsmovement.net/Act-Now-Against-These-Companies-P…

    bdsmovement.net/sites/…/Boycott Article (1).jpg

    drmoose ,

    Welcome to NoThanks, here you can see if the product in your hand supports killing children in Palestine or not. All you have to do is scan the barcode or write the serial number in the search bar.

    It’s not that bad even if you take the position of Israel is doing nothing wrong at all. No way this app should have been removed because of this.

    otter ,

    It wasn’t. That’s the acceptable cover we’re being fed. It’s always money.

    giggling_engine ,
    @giggling_engine@lemmy.world avatar

    Well they can start by not using their smartphone because that thing has a ton of Israeli tech.

    boyi ,

    kinda agree with this, to some extend. We can only do selective boycott, those that won’t directly affect our life given that there are other options, like not going to Starbucks or McD. If we really want to boycott Israeli products and techs, we won’t get access to modern tech at all - they are everywhere.

    giggling_engine ,
    @giggling_engine@lemmy.world avatar

    I think boycotting is the wrong way to solve this issue. It’s better to sit down and have an honest conversation about it. But the conversation has been anything but honest. People don’t even know what “from the river to the sea” actually means before shouting it, they think it’s some hippy “love and freedom” chant, while it’s a call for genocide.

    netchami ,

    Ah yes, having a conversation will definitely help the Palestinian people.

    HerbalGamer ,
    @HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works avatar

    They just need to get a good petition going! Or maybe a strongly worded letter signed by some celebrities?

    gaylord_fartmaster ,

    wow great idea, let me just go ahead and sit down with the CEO of Disney so we can have an honest conversation about them sending money to Israel

    Quexotic ,

    There have been plenty of honest conversations since May 14th 1948 and it has led to this current situation. I would really love for there to be peace but it seems that everyone involved and everyone backing everyone involved is quite heavily invested and continued war in that region.

    The children pay the price.

    BrownKong ,

    You don’t need to stop using things that you already payed for, that’s would be wasteful. You just need to stop support and not buy anymore.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Smartphones and computers are essential tools for many people. Essential tools can break beyond repair or be so old that they are risky to use or even can’t be used for what you need to use them for anymore. Suggesting just not buying technology because of Israel would basically require huge numbers of people to just end up having to quit their job one day because of it.

    I honestly wish there was a way to separate Israel from the tech industry, but it’s just not possible right now. Do what you can and not buy things from companies you aren’t forced to rely on, such as Starbucks and McDonalds, that support Israel. That still hurts Israel without hurting you.

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    boyi ,

    what not. At least write something useful if you disagee with me.

    badbytes ,

    So many bad articles bout Google lately. Still not being evil.

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    samsepi0l ,

    Name a pro Hamas company.

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