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danielfgom ,
@danielfgom@lemmy.world avatar

Well done Google.

Just because a war is going on in someone’s country doesn’t mean you need to punish or target every company in that country. The war is not their fault. It has nothing to do with them.

They should ban the app altogether for discrimination.

Sanyanov ,

“Here you can see if the product in your hand supports killing children” is a strong line, but of course it will be banned - not due to Google being particularly pro-Israel or pro-massacre, but because this won’t go well with advertisers, regulators and literally anyone in power.

Big Tech just can’t afford to allow such bold moves, and it’s not political (aside from Big Tech itself being cancer that needs to be eradicated, but that’s topic for another day)

IHadTwoCows ,

I love how all the pro-business and free speech advocates of the past thirty years have not yet realised that these concepts are mutually exclusive.

Eximius ,

Mutual exclusion means either one is true or the other, but not both. But also what he said has no two specific concepts? What do you mean?

Banning because of advertiser / regulator / government populism vs. It not being political?

floppade ,

It seems likely to me that there are campaigns of people mass reporting content and apps to get then taken down even if it’s just temporarily. Sure, in some cases, like TikTok, they are meeting with rich Zionists who are lobbying for censor anything anti-Zionist. That takes time to negotiate in some cases I would imagine.

Most people and most Zionists are not rich I think. It’d be faster to run a coordinated mass report campaign through some influencer to trigger the automated moderation.

So even if Google weren’t financially involved in Israel’s occupation, which it is, people could use the mechanisms of its automations to censor things on their own for everyone.

s38b35M5 ,
@s38b35M5@lemmy.world avatar

It seems likely to me that there are campaigns of people mass reporting content and apps to get then taken down[…]

Case in point. Maybe my example is more DMCA-centric than you meant, but same practice applies here.

floppade ,

In addition to taking advantage of automated systems, yes many groups are engaging in pressure campaigns on specific companies and organizations to engage in censorship right now.

therealjcdenton ,

Man this is sad to see, people falling for the Hamas propaganda or willing ignoring the truth because their antisemitic, or it’s what it’s always been, immature people doing whatever makes the old people in office angry

Sanyanov ,

People don’t support Hamas.

People want to stop civilian massacre.

therealjcdenton ,

So then people should be blaming Hamas for using civilians as human shields, it’s one big propaganda stunt using lives, and y’all are falling for it

Dashi ,

Military members of either side have the option to not shoot the human shields. Yes, maybe it will require a surgical strike via spec ops instead of a javelin missle. Maybe you can’t blow up that military target due to it being in a hospital. Sure militarily that is a less than ideal outcome but then you would not be on the global stage needing to defend your warcrimes.

Just a thought

MacNCheezus ,
@MacNCheezus@lemmy.today avatar

Dumb question perhaps, but why don’t they just make it a web app or a mobile website instead?

Blackmist ,

Because Google won’t ban those and give them free publicity.

drmoose ,

Welcome to NoThanks, here you can see if the product in your hand supports killing children in Palestine or not. All you have to do is scan the barcode or write the serial number in the search bar.

It’s not that bad even if you take the position of Israel is doing nothing wrong at all. No way this app should have been removed because of this.

otter ,

It wasn’t. That’s the acceptable cover we’re being fed. It’s always money.

badbytes ,

So many bad articles bout Google lately. Still not being evil.

0x2d ,

it says to boycott google but uses firebase :\

floppade ,

Eh BDS doesn’t ask for a financial boycott of Google. It’s running a pressure campaign. bdsmovement.net has more info

mightyfoolish ,

I need to get off Android after this. OnePlus 6 is so close to being ready on PostMarketOS (conventional Linux for smartphones) but I don’t think I can wait for it anymore.

Lucidlethargy ,

I’d love to try an alternative for at least the store. It’s absolutely impossible to find and app worthwhile on there. Like, it’s insane. It’s all just bullshit that is paid, or gaming their system (just like Google.com is becoming like, actually.)

0x2d ,

pixel 3a has great ubuntu touch and droidian support

source: i got one on ebay to mess with custom roms and stuff on

codenul ,

Been running /e/os on Oneplus 6T and it’s been great. Built in tracker blocker is nice. Maybe a possible alternative to try

mightyfoolish ,

Thank you for the suggestion. I forgot about e and will look into it and graphene.

TangledHyphae ,

You can always install F-Droid and side-load .apk on Android. Apple censors anything remotely negative about China, among other concerning positions. Neither mobile company is good, so why ditch Android entirely?

pokemaster787 ,

Agreed, they both suck but I’ll at least stick with the one that begrudgingly lets me install what I want vs. the one that tells me what I’m allowed to install completely.

fraydabson ,

I don’t think they implied that they would switch to Apple. They just want off android so bad they can’t wait for the new Linux mobile OS

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    Cethin ,

    They literally said PostMarketOS in their comment.

    01011 ,

    PostMarketOS is an alternative to Android that has nothing to do with Apple.

    TangledHyphae ,

    What all hardware does it run on? In a stable way, that is.

    01011 , (edited )

    Librem 5 and a bunch of older Android devices - including Fairphone 4, OnePlus 6/6T, Xiaomi Pocophone F1 postmarketos.org/download/

    floppade ,

    Thanks genuinely appreciate this

    YeetPics ,
    @YeetPics@mander.xyz avatar

    why ditch Android entirely?

    Neither mobile company is good

    mightyfoolish , (edited )

    I love fdroid. I would sell it to the average user on the fact that the apps are adfree.

    As another user said, iOS allegedly has more privacy protections. Another issue I have with Google is they might use DRM to prevent modifying webpages. Which adblocking and other tracker blocking software need to do.

    Zummy ,

    I’m an iPhone user and I really enjoy my iPhone, but understand that Apple is perfect either. If you like side-loading apps you can forget about that on the iPhone. Additionally, there’s plenty of censorship when it comes to China because Apple won’t lose its precious revenue it gets in that Asian market. Personally, I don’t like Google because I don’t believe the make any real attempts to protect your privacy, but understand that Apple isn’t perfect either.

    serratur ,

    EU has forced apple to allow sideloading

    Zummy ,

    Yeah, but it hasn’t happened yet, and while it certainly will, we don’t know if Apple will bring that everywhere or only in countries where they have to.

    mightyfoolish ,

    This is a fair point. Apple definitely has better privacy protection than Android. To me, this was the second most important difference (the first would be Android is more open source even though the version that gets to your phone isn’t really that open).

    floppade ,

    Thanks this thread was sincerely useful

    fne8w2ah , (edited )

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/76c24b45-c544-4f51-a826-c5c6b3f69ab9.jpeg

    Slightly off tangent but last year appeared this particular ID Nahui Scanner app that scans barcodes and highlights any Russian-made products (released in March 2022 but unfortunately no updates since then). So it basically operates similarly to the aforementioned No Thanks app.

    febra ,

    Well, it’s okay to boycott Russia for invading and occupying parts of Ukraine but god forbid you boycott Israel for invading and occupying the entirety of what we know as post 1967 Palestine.

    teichflamme ,

    Ukraine didn’t fire rockets at Russia and kidnap Russians for decades.

    febra ,

    No, but Israel imposed apartheid in the form of a military occupation onto Palestinians for decades.

    teichflamme ,

    I don’t think you know what Apartheid is sorry

    Shyfer ,

    amnesty.org/…/israels-apartheid-against-palestini…

    febra ,

    I’m fairly sure I know what apartheid is.

    SuddenDownpour ,

    Would you say Mandela’s party knows what Apartheid is?

    Sparlock ,

    I don’t think you know what Apartheid is sorry.

    Linkerbaan ,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    Ukraine blew up a major Russian railway a few days ago what are you talking about.

    Ukraine is doing plenty of terrorism against their occupier. Your double standards are showing.

    YeetPics ,
    @YeetPics@mander.xyz avatar

    Jeeze, I wonder why ukraine would do such a thing. Is there some sort of beef between Ukraine and Russia?

    (/s)

    Linkerbaan ,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    Jeeze, I wonder why Hamas would do such a thing. Is there some sort of beef between Palestine and israel?

    (/s)

    teichflamme ,

    Because they are at war now?

    Linkerbaan ,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    They’re not at war bro it’s just a “special military operation” . Same thing the israelis have been doing for the last 75 years.

    SCB ,

    Israel formally declared war on Palestine.

    febra ,

    On Palestine? Israel doesn’t recognize Palestine.

    SCB ,

    amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/10/08/…/index.html

    They declared war against the government of Palestine, Hamas. There is effectively no difference

    GiveMemes ,

    Wasn’t that in response to the terrorism tho, making that terrorism very much not an act of war? Also Hamas didn’t blow up a train line, they shot up a music festival. Your false equivalency is showing.

    SCB ,

    My only participation in this discussion is clarifying that Israel declared war.

    GiveMemes , (edited )

    The significance of which is exactly zero since it happened after the terror attack and the discussion up to that point was discussing the attack killing 1400 civilians by Hamas (before Israel declared war) as compared to Ukraine disrupting Russian supply lines (while currently at war).

    I’m glad that was your only contribution, but if you can’t see why I said what I said, I really don’t think there’s much hope in trying to explain :(

    febra ,

    Hamas isn’t the government of Palestine. That is the Palestinian Authority.

    SCB ,

    Hamas is the government in Gaza. The Palestinian Authority lost to Hamas who promptly canceled elections forever

    febra ,

    Just say that Israel has declared war on Hamas. Not Palestine.

    PhlubbaDubba ,

    Russia hasn’t pre-empted its invasion with decades of screed about how they’re owed that land because of the Holocaust and how disagreeing is russophobia

    avater , (edited )
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    samsepi0l ,

    Name a pro Hamas company.

    satan ,

    release it on fdroid

    giggling_engine ,
    @giggling_engine@lemmy.world avatar

    Well they can start by not using their smartphone because that thing has a ton of Israeli tech.

    boyi ,

    kinda agree with this, to some extend. We can only do selective boycott, those that won’t directly affect our life given that there are other options, like not going to Starbucks or McD. If we really want to boycott Israeli products and techs, we won’t get access to modern tech at all - they are everywhere.

    giggling_engine ,
    @giggling_engine@lemmy.world avatar

    I think boycotting is the wrong way to solve this issue. It’s better to sit down and have an honest conversation about it. But the conversation has been anything but honest. People don’t even know what “from the river to the sea” actually means before shouting it, they think it’s some hippy “love and freedom” chant, while it’s a call for genocide.

    netchami ,

    Ah yes, having a conversation will definitely help the Palestinian people.

    HerbalGamer ,
    @HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works avatar

    They just need to get a good petition going! Or maybe a strongly worded letter signed by some celebrities?

    gaylord_fartmaster ,

    wow great idea, let me just go ahead and sit down with the CEO of Disney so we can have an honest conversation about them sending money to Israel

    Quexotic ,

    There have been plenty of honest conversations since May 14th 1948 and it has led to this current situation. I would really love for there to be peace but it seems that everyone involved and everyone backing everyone involved is quite heavily invested and continued war in that region.

    The children pay the price.

    BrownKong ,

    You don’t need to stop using things that you already payed for, that’s would be wasteful. You just need to stop support and not buy anymore.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Smartphones and computers are essential tools for many people. Essential tools can break beyond repair or be so old that they are risky to use or even can’t be used for what you need to use them for anymore. Suggesting just not buying technology because of Israel would basically require huge numbers of people to just end up having to quit their job one day because of it.

    I honestly wish there was a way to separate Israel from the tech industry, but it’s just not possible right now. Do what you can and not buy things from companies you aren’t forced to rely on, such as Starbucks and McDonalds, that support Israel. That still hurts Israel without hurting you.

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    boyi ,

    what not. At least write something useful if you disagee with me.

    Orbituary ,
    @Orbituary@lemmy.world avatar

    The list is immense. I would almost prefer a list of brands okay to buy from, free of zionist support. It would be smaller and easiest to maintain.

    idiocracy ,

    totally not circlejerking brainwashed herd

    edit: lol as I was correcting spelling someone already down voted, this quickly! u guys/bots r hilarious

    Orbituary ,
    @Orbituary@lemmy.world avatar

    Bro, I’m no bot. Mine is a legit down vote.

    idiocracy ,

    q. e. d.

    YeetPics ,
    @YeetPics@mander.xyz avatar

    Beep boop, you’re a dipshit

    Fitik ,

    I wish those were bots, but they're real people sadly, Google "tankies".

    HaggierRapscallier ,

    There’s a simple diagram of a few targeted products to boycott here. bdsmovement.net/Act-Now-Against-These-Companies-P…

    bdsmovement.net/sites/…/Boycott Article (1).jpg

    CaptObvious ,

    Is there an iOS version?

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