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DxK , in The team that pushed yesterday's Crowdstrike update has been identified.

I always forget Matthew Lillard is like 6’5” (195cm). I know he’s tall but damn they must have him standing in a trench or put his costars on boxes to level shots a bit because he’s towering over everyone in that pic and he’s not even standing up straight lol.

half_fiction ,

They had him do that thing where you kneel on top of your shoes.

Volkditty ,

They Dorf’d him.

aniki , in Malware As A Service

ItS NoT A wInDoWs PrObLeM – Idiots, even on Lemmy

ricdeh ,
@ricdeh@lemmy.world avatar

I genuinely can’t tell at whom you are addressing this. Those claiming it is a Windows problem or those that say otherwise?

daellat ,

Hi, idiot here. Can you explain how it is a windows problem?

aniki ,

If you patch a security vulnerability, who’s fault is the vulnerability? If the OS didn’t suck, why does it need a 90 billion dollar operation to unfuck it?

Redhat is VALUED at less than that.

pitchbook.com/profiles/company/41182-21

It’s a fucking windows problem.

ricecake ,

Sure, but they weren’t patching a windows vulnerability, windows software, or a security issue, they were updating their software.

I’m all for blaming Microsoft for shit, but “third party software update causes boot problem” isn’t exactly anything they caused or did.

You also missed that the same software is deployed on Mac and Linux hosts.

Hell, they specifically call out their redhat partnership: www.crowdstrike.com/partners/falcon-for-red-hat/

Kusimulkku ,

Are the Mac and Linux machines having BSOD (-style) issues and trouble booting?

candybrie ,

No, because CrowdStrike didn’t bork the drivers for those systems. They could have, though.

ricecake ,

Nope, because they only shipped a corrupted windows kernel module.

It’s dumb luck that whatever process resulted in them shipping a broken build didn’t impact the other platforms.

pkill ,

isn’t XNU more decoupled than Windows kernel?

thefartographer ,

How the fuck did my Fedora just bluescreen?? Crowdstrike!

audience laughter, freeze-frame

xtr0n ,

Crowdstrike completely screwed the pooch with this deploy but ideally, Windows wouldn’t get crashed by a bas 3rd party software update. Although, the crashes may be by design in a way. If you don’t want your machine running without the security software running, and if the security software is buggy and won’t start up, maybe the safest thing is to not start up?

MangoPenguin ,
@MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Are we acting like Linux couldn’t have the same thing happen to it? There are plenty of things that can break boot.

InEnduringGrowStrong ,
@InEnduringGrowStrong@sh.itjust.works avatar

CrowdStrike also supports Linux and if they fucked up a Windows patch, they could very well fuck up a linux one too. If they ever pushed a broken update on Linux endpoints, it could very well cause a kernel panic.

ricecake ,

Yeah, it’s a crowd strike issue. The software is essentially a kernel module, and a borked kernel module will have a lot of opportunities to ruin stuff, regardless of the OS.

Ideally, you want your failure mode to be configurable, since things like hospitals would often rather a failure with the security system keep the medical record access available. :/. If they’re to the point of touching system files, you’re pretty close to “game over” for most security contexts unfortunately. Some fun things you can do with hardware encryption modules for some cases, but at that point you’re limiting damage more than preventing a breach.

Architecture wise, the windows hybrid kernel model is potentially more stable in the face of the “bad kernel module” sort of thing since a driver or module can fail without taking out the rest of the system. In practice… Not usually since your video card shiting the bed is gonna ruin your day regardless.

Kusimulkku ,

It’s a problem affecting Windows, not problem caused by Windows I guess.

daellat ,

That’s what I was thinking so I was curious what the argument would be

GBU_28 ,

“even on Lemmy”

Like this is some highbrow collection of geniuses here?

barsquid ,

No just statistically we are all Arch (btw) Linux users who hate Windows.

Cornelius_Wangenheim , (edited )

Because it isn’t. Their Linux sensor also uses a kernel driver, which means they could have just as easily caused a looping kernel panic on every Linux device it’s installed on.

ytg ,

There’s no way of knowing that, though. Perhaps their Linux and Darwin drivers wouldn’t have paniced the system?

Regardless, doing almost anything at the kernel level is never a good idea

ricecake ,

Security operations being one of the things that is often best done at the kernel level because of the need to monitor network and file operations in a way you can’t in user mode.

ricecake ,

Also, it’s less about “their” drivers and more about what a kernel module can do.
Saying “there’s no way to know” doesn’t fit, because we do know that a malformed kernel module can destabilize a linux or mac system.

“Malformed file” isn’t a programming defect or something you can fix by having a better API.

deadbeef79000 ,

Having the data exposed to userspace via an API would avoid having to have a kernel module at all… Which when malformed wouldn’t compromise the kernel.

ricecake ,

I mean, sure. But typically operating systems don’t expose that type of information to user space, instead providing a kernel interface with user mode configuration.

It’s why they use the same basic approach on mac and Linux.

ohmyiv ,
@ohmyiv@lemmy.world avatar

It’s not impossible. Crowdstrike has done it recently to linux machines.

Kernel panic observed after booting 5.14.0-427.13.1.el9_4.x86_64 by falcon-sensor process:
access.redhat.com/solutions/7068083

match ,
@match@pawb.social avatar

Paywalled, unfortunately

belated_frog_pants , in OneDrive deleted my files!

Never use onedrive

Slovene ,

Yeah, gotta have several.

Tja ,

Raid gang

IsoSpandy , in Bold Ideas For Funding Open Source Software

Man the last one really hits home. I would transfer all of my github projects for a stable livable job

absentbird ,
@absentbird@lemm.ee avatar

What’s your area of expertise? In my experience software jobs that pay a livable wage are pretty common, it’s finding one that isn’t miserable work for a terrible company that’s the tricky part.

Hupf , in Type in Morse code by repeatedly slamming your laptop lid
SatouKazuma ,

I’m quite sure that atmospheric wind currents don’t change the direction of cosmic rays, lol.

NigelFrobisher , in Seriously how many times does this have to happen

I mean, turns out it is pretty easy actually, Boromir.

MeDuViNoX , in Please stop
@MeDuViNoX@sh.itjust.works avatar
briefbeschwerer , in Trying to understand JSON…

Billion dollar mistake

bleistift2 OP ,

For those who don’t know:

Speaking at a software conference in 2009, Tony Hoare hyperbolically apologized for “inventing” the null reference:[26] [27]

I call it my billion-dollar mistake. It was the invention of the null reference in 1965. At that time, I was designing the first comprehensive type system for references in an object oriented language (ALGOL W). My goal was to ensure that all use of references should be absolutely safe, with checking performed automatically by the compiler. But I couldn’t resist the temptation to put in a null reference, simply because it was so easy to implement. This has led to innumerable errors, vulnerabilities, and system crashes, which have probably caused a billion dollars of pain and damage in the last forty years.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Hoare

Ephera ,

Huh, so Tony Hoare invented null and then Graydon Hoare invented Rust, immediately terminating the existence of null which does not have a traditional null value.

state_electrician , in Someone escaped the Matrix

Farming is god-awful if your livelihood depends on it. I’d rather be a carpenter or a metalworker once I’m fed up with that computer stuff.

uis ,

Wielders are paid close to programmers in my country

_sideffect , in What the heck is a god dang cloud?

Oh you want to delete a file from your folder? Ok, we’ll also delete it from OneDrive so it’s gone forever, see ya!

potustheplant ,

Firstly, no, it’s not gone forever. It remains in your onedrive recycling bin for a month. Secondly, that behavior makes sense. One drive is a mirror of your synced folders. If you just want to not have the file downloaded in your computer, just right click on the file and select “free up space”.

_sideffect ,

It’s so obvious!

potustheplant ,

It is. Another indicator you get is a status icon next to each file telling you if the file is permanently or temporarily (meaning it will get auto-deleted locally if you don’t use it) dowloaded to your pc or if it’s only on the cloud.

Oh, and you also get a prompt when you delete a file letting you know that it will be deleted from onedrive as well but it will still be in the recycling bin for a while. The only way to not get that prompt is to tick a box to not get reminded again.

Microsoft software has a lot of flaws but this isn’t one of them.

Diplomjodler3 , (edited ) in What the heck is a god dang cloud?

Luckily I’m old, so I reflexively click the save button every few minutes anyway. Great progress there, Microsoft!

Norgur , in much profits, just 5 people on team, imagine sweet sweet bonuses
@Norgur@fedia.io avatar

"but... I explicitly described this in the frickin' 'Business Case' you had me fill out a thousand times!"

sus , in std::underflow_error

your underflow error is someone’s underflow feature (hopefully with -fwrapv)

Derp , in I made this

Except when a bug pops up somewhere. Ownership/Responsibility changes in sub-Planck-second time when assigning blame.

scrubbles OP ,
@scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech avatar

In our head nothing ever was wrong, bugs only came along when you came along! You should have been able to build it in days, what’s so hard about this?

ChaoticNeutralCzech , (edited ) in Saw 37 the software Dev

w3school

victorz ,

MDN ftw, screw stackoverflow.

Redkey ,

Any time I need to learn something about JS, I go to W3Schools to wrap my head around the basics, then over to MDN for current best practice.

victorz ,

I remember visiting W3S like 10-15 years ago when first learning DOM manipulation etc at uni. But nowadays there’s nothing it can give me that MDN can’t, that I need to know.

frezik ,

MDN is better at everything than w3school, except for SEO.

victorz ,

Yeah… Then again I just use the DuckDuckGo bang !mdn and it searches MDN directly.

There’s also devdocs.io which can be indispensable when using a lot of popular utility libraries and frameworks in the same project. Just having a single page with all the relevant docs is just a real blessing.

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