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9point6 , in Average CSS

Not allowed to credit the site in your text editor?

Is the owner in the room with you now?

GregorTacTac OP ,
@GregorTacTac@lemm.ee avatar

This screenshot is not mine, it was sent to me via Matrix

Natanael ,

You get used to it. I don’t even see the code

GregorTacTac OP ,
@GregorTacTac@lemm.ee avatar

Do you have a built-in browser in your brain that renders it?

dohpaz42 ,
@dohpaz42@lemmy.world avatar

All I see is blonde, brunette, redhead. Hey uh, you want a drink?

GregorTacTac OP ,
@GregorTacTac@lemm.ee avatar

Free drink? Absolutely

dohpaz42 ,
@dohpaz42@lemmy.world avatar

It’s good for two things: De-greasing engines and killing brain cells.

GregorTacTac OP ,
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GregorTacTac OP ,
@GregorTacTac@lemm.ee avatar

It’s only now that I realise that I understood that reference so late

RedStrider , in Average CSS
@RedStrider@lemmy.world avatar

the userstyle experience:

hendrik , in Average CSS
color: lime !important;
z-index: 1000000;

xmunk ,

I love the superstitious z-index just in case it does something to help.

independantiste ,
@independantiste@sh.itjust.works avatar

At least that’s actually easy and quick to do and is the only way of doing it. Centering a div however has 81639393 ways and it seems the one that works is different every time

CodexArcanum ,

Bro its so easy bro, just use flexboxgridcolumns its been a standard since 2010 just flex it bro you haven’t learned to flex yet just check w3c schools and add a flex you can polyfill it but don’t use that hacked one use the good flexpolyfill then { content-align-middle-child-elements: center-middle-true-neutral } so easy with flex bro

Cosmonaut_Collin ,
@Cosmonaut_Collin@lemmy.world avatar

Dude, stop flexing on him. You’re gonna make him cry.

CatLikeLemming ,
@CatLikeLemming@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I know you meant this sarcastically, but yes, flex is a good option for centering something. Either that or setting the left and right margins of the element to auto, which is generally even easier.

Basically, if you’re in a flex container use flex, if you’re in a grid use grid, and if neither of those apply set the left and right margins to auto.

marcos ,

Also seriously, anybody having problems with flexbox should try this:

flexboxfroggy.com

I’m not sure there’s any version of it for grids, but IMO grids are inherently more intuitive, so it may not be needed. Flexbox is the one that is hard to learn.

davidgro ,

I don’t know any CSS (despite reading memes about it like this) but I do know that the bottom of that page has a link to something called Grid Garden

independantiste ,
@independantiste@sh.itjust.works avatar

You’ve perfectly captured twitter tech bro energy it’s kind of incredible actually

starman , in Mcafee accidentally made users call the devs of SQLite and complain.
@starman@programming.dev avatar

There’s a solution for this McAfee problem:

m.youtube.com/watch?v=bKgf5PaBzyg

Clbull , in Mcafee accidentally made users call the devs of SQLite and complain.

John McAfee would be spinning like a rotisserie chicken in his grave. Or at least he would be if McAfee Software hadn’t already turned to shit long before his death.

So the temp files are still identified, but anybody smart enough to figure out the code is also likely smart enough to know that calling the developer will not help get rid of the file.

Don’t underestimate the stupidity of your average person.

ruk_n_rul ,

Was gonna say, this wouldn’t happen on John’s watch. /S

Thcdenton , in Mcafee accidentally made users call the devs of SQLite and complain.
yetAnotherUser , in Mcafee accidentally made users call the devs of SQLite and complain.
livingcoder , in Mcafee accidentally made users call the devs of SQLite and complain.

I love how the solution didn’t involve changing the prefix to “mcaffee_”. Now users don’t know who to blame. Great. That’s so nice of them.

camr_on ,
@camr_on@lemmy.world avatar

Then mcaffee_ would be appearing in unrelated sqlite-using applications

Daxtron2 ,

Why would sqlite put references to an unrelated product in their codebase?

Hawke ,

The same reason that McAfee did?

dgriffith ,

McAfee wrote a program that used the Sqlite library for database storage.

When going about its data storage business for McAfee’s program, the Sqlite library was storing files in C:\temp with prefixes like sqlite_3726371.

Users see that and get angry, and bug the Sqlite developers.

Now probably when initialising the Sqlite library McAfee could have given it the location of a directory to keep it’s temp files. Then they could have been tucked away somewhere along with the rest of the McAfee code base and be more easily recognised as belonging to them, but they didn’t.

So because of a bit of careless programming on McAfee’s part, Sqlite developers were getting the heat because the files were easily recognisable as belonging to them.

Because the Sqlite developers don’t have control of what McAfee was doing, the most expedient way to solve the problem was to obfuscate the name a bit.

snaggen , in How programmers comment their code
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Comment about image

Fargeol ,

answer: the answer

const ,
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Reply about comment about image

bleistift2 , (edited ) in Mcafee accidentally made users call the devs of SQLite and complain.

Forgive my ignorance. SQLite is a database software. Why would McAffee create lots of database files?

[Edit:] I’m not asking why a program needs to store data. I’m asking why that necessitates many files. One database file (or one per table) should be enough, right?

Zorsith ,
@Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Virus definitions?

bleistift2 ,

Does sqlite create a file for every page in the table or what?

Shadow ,
@Shadow@lemmy.ca avatar

No, but developers are free to implement things in whatever crazy way they can dream up.

Zorsith ,
@Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Nobody ever accused McTrellix of being efficient software 😆

qaz ,

Many programs use SQLite internally and McAfee decided to store the database files in C:/Temp

towerful ,

Sqlite is a great embedded database.
If you are storing lots and lots of information in a JSON file, CSV file, or coming up with your own serialisation… Chances are, sqlite is going to do it better.
I know loads of android apps use sqlite for storage. I’ve also managed to open quite a few programmes “proprietary” file format in sqlite.

anton ,

A yes, the two genders of binary file formats: renamed sqlite file and renamed zip folder.

ElderWendigo ,

Aren’t sqilte files themselves (like most other things) just fancy text files?

FooBarrington ,

Nah, only actual string data is stored as text. Everything else is stored as binary: www.sqlite.org/fileformat.html#record_format

The file also isn’t written sequentially, it’s stored in blocks (pages), where sometimes later data can be inserted in the middle (e.g. when data was deleted).

ElderWendigo ,

I did say fancy.

FooBarrington ,

Then I guess my laptop is just a fancy boat.

tofubl ,

Haven’t seen your laptop, but if it’s anything like mine it’s a very lousy boat.

Laser ,

Ahoy sailor

sunbeam60 ,
shotgun_crab ,

Don’t forget renamed and compressed xml + zip

GBU_28 ,

Al sorts of applications would enjoy a database to log all sorts of stuff, store results, capture events, etc.

SQLite is great because it doesn’t necessitate another infra dependency as it is stored to file

Michal ,

The program needs to store multiple temporary files (one per virus definition update, or scan results or whatever purpose).

It looks like they simply picked sqlite as a format because the data has a structured format and that way they leverage databases robustness, easiness to read and query the data.

The comment appears to be from 2006. Sqlite mightve had some limitations then that necessitated creating a new (temporary) database file as a subset of larger database for performance reasons or to allow multiple processes to read/write them and then consolidate data back into the single database.

onlinepersona , in Mcafee accidentally made users call the devs of SQLite and complain.

What a time it must’ve been, being able to publish your phone number online without fear. Now you give it to any website and it’s sold straight away to advertisers. Making it public would be a nightmare.

Anti Commercial-AI license

PlexSheep ,

Making it public is required by law at least in Germany, Impressumspflicht

Ullallulloo ,
@Ullallulloo@civilloquy.com avatar

I have my phone number on my personal website—never had any adverse consequences. In fact, the only two calls I’ve gotten have both been at my work number which isn’t on there somehow. One to ask a genuine question and one to give me 30 bucks in appreciation.

dohpaz42 ,
@dohpaz42@lemmy.world avatar

You don’t even need to make public yourself. City governments do it automatically, mostly if you’re a home owner. Other companies do it because they keep getting hacked.

Try it.

Go to your favorite search engine and type in your phone number (format it to look like a phone number). If you haven’t already gone through and had yourself removed from these types of sites, you’ll be appalled at what you find.

AlexCory21 , in How programmers comment their code

I had a old job that told me that code is “self documenting” if you write it “good enough”. And that comments were unnecessary.

It always annoyed the heck out of me. Comments are imo more helpful than hurtful typically.

Is it just me? Or am I weird? Lol.

Andromxda OP ,
@Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I absolutely agree, and I too hate this stupid idea of “good code documenting itself” and “comments being unnecessary”.
I have a theory where this comes from. It was probably some manager, who has never written a single line of code, who thought that comments were a waste of time, and employees should instead focus on writing code. By telling them that “good code documents itself”, they could also just put the blame on their employees.
“Either you don’t need comments or your code sucks because it’s not self-documenting”
Managers are dumb, and they will never realize that spending a bit of time on writing useful comments may later actually save countless hours, when the project is taken over by a different team, or the people who initially created it, don’t work at the company anymore.

ChickenLadyLovesLife ,

I’ve never had a manager that was even aware of the comments vs. no comments issue. If I ever had, I would have just told them that a lack of comments makes the original coder harder to replace.

VonReposti ,

Code should always by itself document the “how” of the code, otherwise the code most likely isn’t good enough. Something the code can never do is explain the “why” of the code, something that a lot of programmers skip. If you ever find yourself explaining the “how” in the comments, maybe run through the code once more and see if something can be simplified or variables can get more descriptive names.

For me, that’s what was originally meant with self-documenting code. A shame lazy programmers hijacked the term in order to avoid writing any documentation.

ChickenLadyLovesLife ,

lazy programmers

I don’t think they’re lazy, I think they’re not good writers. Not being able to write well is very common among programmers (not having to communicate with written language is one reason a lot of people go into coding) and in my experience the Venn diagrams for “not a good writer” and “thinks comments are unnecessary” overlap perfectly.

Daxtron2 ,

Its definitely a balance. Good code shouldn’t need much commenting, but sometimes you have to do something for a reason that isn’t immediately obvious and that’s when comments are most useful. If you’re just explaining what a snippet does instead of why you’re doing it that way, there’s probably more work to be done.

alonely0 ,

Document intentions and decisions, not code.

Amir ,
@Amir@lemmy.ml avatar

Code is not self documenting when decision trees are created based on some methodology that’s not extremely obvious

redxef ,

What a function does should be self evident. Why it does it might not be.

Vigge93 ,

Comment should describe “why?”, not “how?”, or “what?”, and only when the “why?” is not intuitive.

The problem with comments arise when you update the code but not the comments. This leads to incorrect comments, which might do more harm than no comments at all.

E.g. Good comment: “This workaround is due to a bug in xyz”

Bad comment: “Set variable x to value y”

Note: this only concerns code comments, docstrings are still a good idea, as long as they are maintained

balp ,

Docstring are user documentation, not comments. User documentation, with examples (tests), is always useful.

Ephera , (edited )

In my opinion, it strongly depends on what you’re coding.

Low-level code where you need to initialize array indices to represent certain flags? Absolutely comment the living shit out of that. → See response.
High-level code where you’re just plumbing different libraries? Hell no, the code is just as easily readable as a comment.

I do also think that, no matter where you lie in this spectrum, there is always merit to improving code to reduce the need for documentation:

  • Rather than typing out the specification, write a unit/integration test.
  • Rather than describing that a function should only be called in a certain way, make it impossible to do it wrongly by modelling this in your type system.
  • Rather than adding a comment to describe what a block of code does, pull it out into a separate function.
  • Rather than explaining how a snippet of code works, try to simplify it, so this becomes obvious.

The thing with documentation is that it merely makes it easier to learn about complexity, whereas a code improvement may eliminate this complexity or the need to know about it, because the compiler/test will remember.

This does not mean you should avoid comments like they’re actively bad. As many others said, particularly the “why” is not expressable in code. Sometimes, it is also genuinely not possible to clean up a snippet of code enough that it becomes digestable.
But it is still a good idea, when you feel the need to leave a comment that explains something else than the “why”, to consider for a moment, if there’s not some code improvement you should be doing instead.

Miaou ,

Hard disagree on your first point. Name the flags with descriptive name, move this initialisation to a function, and there you go, self-documented and clear code.

Ephera ,

Hmm, maybe my opinion is just shit in that regard. I don’t code terribly much low-level, so I’m probably overestimating the complexity and underestimating the options for cleaning things up.
That was kind of just a random example, I felt like there were many more cases where low-level code is complex, but I’m probably basing this off of shitty low-level code and forgetting that shitty high-level code isn’t exactly a rarity either.

AdNecrias ,

I’m with you but sometimes you don’t have the chance in low level. Max you can do is create local variables just so the bits you’re XORing are more obvious. And whenever you’re working with something where that’d be wasteful and the compiler doesn’t rid if it, you’re better off with comments (which you need to maintain, ugh)

Blackmist ,

Code is the what. Comments are the why.

Few things worse than an out of date comment.

AdNecrias ,

Good code is self documenting as in you don’t need to describe what it is doing and it is clear to read. Whoever says that and isn’t just repeating what they heard understands that whenever you are doing something not explicit in the code it should be on a comment.

Workarounds and explaining you need to use this structure instead of another for some reason are clear examples, but business hints are another useful comment. Or sectioning the process (though I prefer descriptive private functions or pragma regions for that).

It also addresses the hint that the code should be readable because you’re not going to have comments to explain spaghetti. Just a hint, doesn’t prevent it. Others also said it, comments are easier to get outdated as you don’t have the compiler to assist. And outdated comments lead to confusion.

humbletightband ,

I follow these simple rules and encourage my colleagues to do so

  1. If I’m just shuffling jsons, then yes, the code should be self documented. If it’s not, the code should be rewritten.
  2. If I implement some complex logic or algorithm, then the documentation should be written both to tests and in the code. Tests should be as dull as possible.
  3. If I write multithreading, the start, interruption, end, and shared variables should be clearly indicated by all means that I have: comment, documentation, code clearness. Tests should be repeated and waits should not be over 50ms.
perviouslyiner , (edited )

What they mean is that the variable names and function names are documentation.

For example changing “for( i in getList() )” to “for( patient in getTodaysAppointments() )” is giving the reader more information that might negate the need for a comment.

Dropkick3038 ,

I actually agree that “good enough” code can be self-documenting, but it isn’t always enough to achieve my goal which is to make the code understandable to my audience with minimal effort. With that goal in mind, I write my code as I would write a technical document. Consider the audience, linear prose, logical order, carefully selected words, things like that… In general, I treat comments as a sort of footnote, to provide additional context where helpful.

There are limits to self-documenting code, and interfaces are a good example. With interfaces, I use comments liberally because so many of the important details about the implementation are not obvious from the code: exactly how the implementation should behave, expected inputs and outputs under different scenarios, assumptions, semantic meaning, etc. Without this information, an implementation cannot be tested or verified.

homura1650 ,

Have you ever worked in a place where every function/field needed a comment? Most of those comments end up being “This is the <variable name>, or this does <method name>”. Beyond, being useless, those comments are counter productive. The amount of screen space they take up (even if greyed out by the IDE) significantly hurts legability.

Alexstarfire ,

And a good IDE let’s you hide it so… what is your point?

EpeeGnome ,

The issue with having mandatory useless comments is that any actually useful comments get lost in the noise.

Alexstarfire ,

I get what you’re saying. Perhaps I just haven’t had too many variables and such that have had such comments. VsCode shows the comments on hover when you’re in other parts of the code base. Which makes most any comment useful because something that is obvious in one part of the code isn’t immediately obvious in another. Though, that necessitates making comments that actually help you figure that out.

englislanguage ,

I have worked on larger older projects. The more comments you have, the larger the chance that code and comment diverge. Often, code is being changed/adapted/fixed, but the comments are not. If you read the comments then, your understanding of what the code does or should do gets wrong, leading you on a wrong path. This is why I prefer to have rather less comments. Most of the code is self a explanatory, if you properly name your variables, functions and whatever else you are working with.

englislanguage ,

One example for self documenting code is typing. If you use a language which enforces (or at least allows, as in Python 3.8+) strong typing and you use types pro actively, this is better than documentation, because it can be read and worked with by the compiler or interpreter. In contrast to documenting types, the compiler (or interpreter) will enforce that code meaning and type specification will not diverge. This includes explicitly marking parameters/arguments and return types as optional if they are.

I think no reasonable software developer should work without enforced type safety unless working with pure assembler languages. Any (higher) language which does not allow enforcing strong typing is terrible.

dohpaz42 , in Mcafee accidentally made users call the devs of SQLite and complain.
@dohpaz42@lemmy.world avatar

Hm. The first hit on DuckDuckGo is a single entry for a guy and all it says is Contact the Business Inquiries.

You would think a better solution to this problem would be to put a message on that page stating that if you’re a McAfee user looking for information about SQLite files in your temp folder, to call the McAfee support line.

But hey what do I know, right?

Killing_Spark ,

Did you just expect people that call random devs at random times to actually read any information on a website?

dohpaz42 ,
@dohpaz42@lemmy.world avatar

If that information said something like “McAfee users concerned about temp files, call (800) 123-4567”, then yes. Did I suggest anything more than that? No. 🙄

cm0002 ,

Lol you never worked customer service or hell desk have you?

The kinds of people who need this message, you would have lost the second you said “temp files”

tyler ,

Well these people making these calls are finding the temp folder

cm0002 ,

Irrelevant, these people will find their way into folders they have no business in and no idea what it’s doing and break shit

It’s a big reason MS started hiding the windows folder after Win 98 (maybe 95)

dohpaz42 ,
@dohpaz42@lemmy.world avatar

How is that irrelevant? The folder is literally called Temp. Doesn’t matter anything else. You said, and I quote, “The kinds of people who need this message, you would have lost the second you said “temp files”.”

Obviously not sure, given where the files were located. 🤦‍♂️

And of course they didn’t know what the files were for; probably why they went searching for it, and eventually found the contact info for Richard Hipp.

Me thinks you just want to shit on people for no other reason than to make yourself feel superior to them. 👏 Congrats!

T156 ,

Assuming that they went out to look for it, and didn’t just poke google with (“sqlite hacked my computer”) until they found a phone number.

If they had gotten the phone number for a company called Super Queasy Lite and Easy/SQLitE instead of the developers, the company might well have received the calls instead.

dohpaz42 ,
@dohpaz42@lemmy.world avatar

You do realize that these people were looking up contact info from a company they found because they were … wait for it … looking at files inside the temp folder … otherwise known as … are you sitting down? You really should sit for this … temp files!

Imaging that. 😳 🤣

By the way, I worked technical support for my local dialup ISP, Adobe, Best Buy (before they were called Geek Squad), and OnStar.

But sure, what you said… 😉

relevants ,

looking at files inside the temp folder … otherwise known as … are you sitting down? You really should sit for this … temp files!

The point OP is making is that those people would not put 2 and 2 together to understand that the files they were looking at are called temp files, just because that’s the folder they found them in. They may not even remember the name of the folder, only that it contains a bunch of files with a prefix they’re now googling.

Not sure why I’m bothering explaining this to you, the way you responded makes you look absolutely insufferable, but maybe someone else who comes across this will find it useful.

randint ,
@randint@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz avatar

hell desk

Brilliant.

ricecake ,

Yup, you found the developer. That’s his phone number.

It’s not exactly a new change either. In 2006 people weren’t going to the specific page from duckduckgo, they were probably finding the sqlite homepage, and then tracking down the contact info.

20 years later it’s probably better to maintain consistency with the prefix than to change it even if it’s weird.

poke ,

Update the site with mcafees phone number and only have the real one behind a click through you have to read

ricecake ,

So, sure that might work. More likely they forgot this bit is even here on account of it being 20 years old.

Also, never doubt the persistence of a sufficiently motivated and impatient user. I don’t think needing to read something has ever stopped one.
You can literally put animated flaming text and people will click right past.

mr_satan , (edited )
@mr_satan@monyet.cc avatar

During my time in a call center people would often call for invoices or messages they received. Most of my work there was reading the thing together with them. Nothing more was necessary, I just read alound their itemized invoice that they had received and it would solve their problem.

Click through pop-ups are even worse in this regard. I myself usually just automatically click No before I understand what just happened.

ricecake ,

I worked for a developer at a Web hosting company for a while. I really wish my story about flaming text wasn’t true, and that the words weren’t “permanent unrecoverable data loss”, and the audience wasn’t internal support technicians.

Gotta have a way to delete a vps, and there’s only so much you can do to get someone to check that they have the right one.

vcmj ,

The way I understand the users didn’t necessarily realize McAfee is responsible, just that a bunch of sqlite files appeared in temp so they might not connect the dots here anyway. Or even know McAfee is installed considering their shady practices.

dohpaz42 ,
@dohpaz42@lemmy.world avatar

Fair point about not knowing McAfee if involved. But at the same time, it beats having your dev getting phone calls at all hours because McAfee’s devs were to lazy to ready the source file and learn how to change the freaking prefix of the file.

MostlyBlindGamer , in Mcafee accidentally made users call the devs of SQLite and complain.
@MostlyBlindGamer@rblind.com avatar

Wasn’t there a story about people calling curl devs because of car issues?

For what it’s worth, I’m sure the SQLite devs could help somebody clean up their temp files. They just really shouldn’t have to.

ABasilPlant OP ,

Are you talking about this: I have toyota corola?

MostlyBlindGamer ,
@MostlyBlindGamer@rblind.com avatar

Yes! Hahaha, it’s so good.

Number 2 needs to flick the little switch on the SD card.

where_am_i ,

and so the internet wisdom has solved the person’s problem. Alas they will never find out

DogWater ,

Their issue is that the card has the physical lock switched on on the SD card?

isVeryLoud , in How programmers comment their code

Dankpods screen cap?

Andromxda OP ,
@Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I don’t know. Anyway, DankPods is awesome, there’s a great Lemmy community dedicated to his channel: !dingusland

Venator ,

Looks like it’s from this old reddit post from 6 years ago: old.reddit.com/r/…/code_comments_be_like/

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