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afraid_of_zombies ,

It’s interesting that his official government website doesn’t really have any basic defenses. It allows you to message him without even making up a fake address in his district. Doesn’t even seem to check to see if you enter in bogus information like a phone number with all 5s. Also interesting that outside of hours calls to his office go right to a non-full mailbox.

I do hope no one just calls outside of their posted hours and leave long messages talking about nothing or uses the website to contact him.

Please no one do things like that.

malle_yeno ,
@malle_yeno@pawb.social avatar

Furry here and just want to say: isn’t this entire discussion super disrespectful to the important job that animal control personnel actually do?

Like, animal control has an important role in protecting communities from animals and helping animals that are injured. They shouldn’t have to be dragged into this stupid outrage farming.

derpgon ,

Government is speedrunning a civil war by punishing 2 groups of people at the same time, for absolutely no reason.

oatscoop ,

If I worked for animal control and some dipshit school administer asked be to come collect a human child from their school, they would receive the following with the minimum amount of tact needed to keep my job:

  • "I don’t care that’s it’s a law – that law was written by morons. You’re a moron too."
  • Variations of “What the hell is wrong with you?”, “I don’t work for you”, and “Go fuck yourself”.

I’d like to think most of the people actually employed as animal control officers would respond the same way.

Woht24 ,

I work in animal control.

It wouldn’t even get to that point because as soon as our admin called me, I’d laugh and refuse the job. No animal control person will do this, it’s a fucking ludicrous idea and absolutely filled with issues to be sued over.

Kid doesn’t willfully come? Do I use a catch pole and drag him out of school? He’ll be dead before we get to the front doors. Everybody is sued.

What if the kid attacks me, tries to stab me etc because I’m basically attempting to execute the function of the police with no training (yes yes, I know the cops have fuck all training but at least they are legally able to restrain etc, they are in the legal position to deal with it). I’ll take an angry dog over a kid with a knife any day.

In short- the guy is an absolute fuckwit and this idea makes no sense.

morphballganon ,

It’s for show, pandering to the right wing base. They want those they deem as lesser to suffer.

It won’t actually happen.

mightyfoolish ,

I once met a person that was made to believe that “animal-kin” children were being given their own litter boxes in a similar way that transgender children would get their own bathrooms.

The issue with the people who think like this is that they see a few things not like them (a few transgender people) and extrapolate it to utter nonsense (millions of children declaring themselves animals and demanding litter boxes).

If they would think about what they are saying; they would reliaze that their claims are impossible. But then again, they are in their own reality where everything they do makes sense…?

I’m sorry for using such an absurd example but it’s a thing older conservatives I know actually believe in.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Oh you have no idea how far that rumor spread. School systems had to issue public denials. One not that far from me did-

www.courierpress.com/story/news/…/69506009007/

autoexec ,

There were apparently some schools that had cat litter around because children can’t go to toilets during school shooting lockdowns, which is terrible in its own way.

Hobo ,

I think that’s also made up propaganda. Kitty litter is used by janitorial staff basically everywhere (at least in the US) to clean up vomit and other semi-wet solids. Children are prolific pukers so it’s not surprising that basically every school has a bunch of kitty litter in their janitorial closets.

Kolanaki ,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

And maybe, just maybe, the school has some cats that hang around. One of the teachers at my high school had a classroom cat.

mightyfoolish ,

That link explained what a fury is using the word “fursona.” 😂

Also, thank you. I guess that rumor has to come from somewhere. Though the redirect for the article of where the tumor came from was behind a pay wall.

oatscoop , (edited )

I know I’m late to the party, but my go-to refutation is “Ok, name one school that’s doing that. Go ahead and look it up on your phone.”

Then point out if a single school actually did have litter boxes for the kids the name of the school and everyone involved would be easy to find. It’s not something that could be kept secret: just one person has to say something – a kid talking to their relative, faculty, a parent, etc. Once that happened FOX, OANN, etc would be on that like flies on shit … and they would name and shame.

But they aren’t, because it’s bullshit.

Illuminostro ,

And assholes should be required to be picked up by proctologists.

Patchwork ,
@Patchwork@lemmy.world avatar

Lol I read about this while hanging out at a furry con after fursuiting for five hours

Globeparasite ,

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/eebfc041-ab38-4d7d-a5fd-d6b7e549bf84.jpeg

art station : www.artstation.com/artwork/yD2Jy9

kescusay ,
@kescusay@lemmy.world avatar

I’m temporarily unlocking this post again, but I’ll be keeping an eye on it. I don’t want to see it descend into vitriolic lashing out at one another again. Come on, people, keep it civil. This is supposed to be a fun and welcoming community for everyone, and I want it to stay that way.

moon ,

Jesus christ do these law makers just have nothing going on? We should really be revoking their pay for what is a complete dumpster fire of a waste of our taxes. I don’t want my money going to some white racist dumb fuck basing reality off of Fox news rage articles in his Facebook feed.

Illuminostro ,

They observed that half of the population loves catty, bitchy, high school mean girl Jerry Springer drama. It’s intentional.

abracaDavid ,

For the love of god, please don’t. You’re just making them hornier.

idunnololz ,
@idunnololz@lemmy.world avatar

owo

Zealousideal_Fox900 ,

UWU

Red_October ,

Next we’re gonna make the furries wear a collar. That’ll show 'em!

AgentOrangesicle ,
@AgentOrangesicle@lemmy.world avatar

I’m sorry you know this.

And it is true.

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Mango ,

We gotta test people as how they identify amirite?

dylanTheDeveloper ,
@dylanTheDeveloper@lemmy.world avatar

Yep if I slap ur balls and you say “owo” then I’m calling animal control

Mango ,

If you slap my balls, animal control won’t get there fast enough to save you.

MapleEngineer ,
@MapleEngineer@lemmy.world avatar

Moral panic.

The right isn’t happy unless it’s panicked about some moral outrage. In the absence of anything to be panicked about they make things up to be panicked about.

Seasoned_Greetings ,

I just described this phenomenon to a friend of mine today. We were talking about how racism evolved by the same people to be disgust against gay/trans folk. I explained to him that conservatives require an outgroup to hate on in order to operate and be happy.

This mother fucker took a second and said “Do you think modern conservative discrimination was caused by the fall of the Soviet union? I mean, when communism was a big threat everybody was united and happy hating the soviets”

My boy really trying to paint the red scare as a good thing

Globeparasite ,

technically he was right. Indeed if we all hate communist, we don’t hate gay or blacks. Whomstever The red scare was used to fuck over those same folks

AgentOrangesicle ,
@AgentOrangesicle@lemmy.world avatar

Is it “whoeverthefuck” or “whomeverthefuck”?

You seem like the right person to ask.

Globeparasite ,

Whomstever

  • Whomever
  • Wherever
  • However
  • Whomever
  • Whenever
  • st

i call that efficient english

MapleEngineer ,
@MapleEngineer@lemmy.world avatar

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_panic

It’s been going on for a long time.

Globeparasite ,

the thing is if they solve the real stuff the don’t have anything to campaign next time

(this work for all parties)

MapleEngineer ,
@MapleEngineer@lemmy.world avatar

both sides

Really? What is the current moral panic of the Democrats?

RubberElectrons ,
@RubberElectrons@lemmy.world avatar

I’m personally unhappy with arms being sent to Israel workout approval of shitbox Congress (no typo), and how bad housing and food prices have gotten… But not really a panic, those are very real things.

Not this anti-furry shaming bullshit. What a waste of people’s time for something hurting nobody.

Almost as dumb as that (both sides) argument.

MapleEngineer , (edited )
@MapleEngineer@lemmy.world avatar

The high cost of living isn’t a moral panic. The satanic panic, the satanic messages in rock music panic, the drag queen story time panic, and the furry litter box panic are moral panics.

RubberElectrons ,
@RubberElectrons@lemmy.world avatar

Indeed, that’s why I never once mentioned being in panic 😉

MapleEngineer ,
@MapleEngineer@lemmy.world avatar

That’s interesting since the question was specifically about moral panics.

RubberElectrons ,
@RubberElectrons@lemmy.world avatar

Being nonsensical: a human attribute. Thanks for your comment 😊

AgentOrangesicle ,
@AgentOrangesicle@lemmy.world avatar

The potential death of democracy is probably pretty forefront, but they certainly don’t focus on it enough.

Emerald ,

Imagine if this passes and the next day the entire school staff dresses up as furries in protest. “Okay Timmy you see that person with the fox outfit on? That’s your teacher today.”

honestly small children might love that

Maalus ,

Those masks are expensive as shit though, aren’t they?

NaNABCV ,
@NaNABCV@lemmy.world avatar

Don’t gatekeep fandoms, thanks

xx3rawr ,

You can source all-natural fursuits from your local animal shelter!

skyspydude1 ,

Yeah, a decent one is going to be $300-500. For a partial, the head is the most expensive part, and cheaping out on it is a great way to get some S-tier nightmare fuel. Full suits are minimum $1000, but I’d say a good one is at least double that, and they can go into the $5k+ range.

gmhh ,

I have a friend who makes mascot costumes. She and her husband sometimes wear them out for entertainment. Little kids absolutely ADORE seeing human-sized Pokemon walking around the mall, bowling alley, or the like.

CADmonkey ,

I see all these silly rules being floated and part of me almost wishes I was back in high school so I could be really annoying.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

My daughter got bullied by other kids for being a furry because she likes leather chokers and they were saying she was wearing a dog collar.

Considering how much school administrations support bullies (while claiming to be anti-bullying), I’m glad we weren’t in Oklahoma.

We had to take her out of school due to all of the bullying anyway, but that would have made it even worse.

aidan ,

School administrations often are the bullies.

Globeparasite ,

but the fun stuff is that they manage to beccome the bullies not out of will but because of their sheer lack of competence and backbone

CptEnder ,

HR for children

aidan ,

Also, iirc didn’t you disagree with me about students having the option to opt out a schooling several months ago?

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

We didn’t opt out of schooling. The online school is a state program paid for with taxes like any other state school. No tuition is charged.

aidan ,

I’d like to clarify, I never made an argument for private schools (I don’t think). I just made an argument against trapping students in mandatory public schools. I agree online state school is a massive step forwards but also giving that option recognizes that trapping kids where they don’t want to be isn’t a good thing. Even if it exposes them to something adults think is important, like a social environment of their peers.

kogasa ,
@kogasa@programming.dev avatar

Can’t wait to see the rest of this conversation in several more months

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t even remember that conversation. I just wanted to clarify that we didn’t opt out of schooling because that would be terrible parenting.

CileTheSane ,
@CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

several months ago

Jesus Christ man, let it go.

aidan ,

Lol, not like I’m stalking them, I just remembered it, it seemed contradictory

halva ,
@halva@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

stalking ain’t a good thing man

aidan ,

? I’m reading, and remember their name?

Globeparasite ,

wemird

AgentOrangesicle ,
@AgentOrangesicle@lemmy.world avatar

My boyfriend used to wrap his collar twice around his wrist and wear it as a bracelet. I’ve taken to it myself and it seems like a great way to let your freak flag fly while not pushing social boundaries too hard.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

That was her way of doing that. Now that she’s no longer in that school, she wears a spiked collar and a leather punk jacket as part of her wardrobe. She was pretty much the only kid in her school listening to the Ramones.

Furbag ,

Humphrey’s bill, House Bill 3084, would ban “students who purport to be an imaginary animal or animal species, or who engage in anthropomorphic behavior commonly referred to as furries at school” from participating in class and school activities.

This is, hands down, the worst description of furries I have ever read in my entire life.

frezik ,

Hell, it sounds like something Kindergarteners have been doing since forever.

FlyingSquid , (edited )
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I used to pretend to be a monster at that age. Would they have to call Monster Control?

(I was a nice monster, like on Sesame Street.)

FlembleFabber ,

How would you describe furries?

CileTheSane ,
@CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

I wouldn’t use a definition that includes some kid prancing around race track pretending to be a horse. That’s just kids being kids and politicians need to stop sexualizing them.

AgentOrangesicle ,
@AgentOrangesicle@lemmy.world avatar

Not even sexualizing, right?

I love furry culture because I can see the art that’s intended for Magic The Gathering cards before it goes into print.

The internet has to get over this furry shame and start collectively recognizing that a tail is like a necktie for your butt, and everyone should have one, because it’s rather flattering.

paysrenttobirds ,

The above description would fit many many circumstances that are not furry related or problematic at all. Saying “I’m a cat. no, really” or meowing or licking your hand would all fit that description, (except not really because the word anthropomorphic is used wrong), but don’t mean a person is a furry. Moreover these behaviors by themselves don’t cause any problems unless you imagine a bunch of other stuff that’s not included in this definition.

So it is an overbroad law that allows prosecutors to apply it selectively and at the same time is very hard to defend against.

A better definition for the purpose of the law would describe some behavior that actually causes damage to society, like disrupting class or arresting kids at school for saying they are a cat.

A better definition of a furry would probably include some kind of pattern of behavior and the extent to which it impacts daily life, as here

Grass ,

I mean the impression I had for like a decade was essentially this. Then a guy sent me links on how to be his specific type of fantasy creature. It was sergel or sergal iirc. It had some really weird backstory and lore to the species detailing how they were warlords or something and I was really weirded out. It was very much like how some kids I went to school with would loose it if you told them that they weren’t whatever comic or movie character they were hyperfixated on, only more socially awkward and adults doing it.

Anyway I feel like that’s as close as you can get without reading out someones entire backstory novel.

Eccitaze ,
@Eccitaze@yiffit.net avatar

…yeah that sounds about right for sergals, tbh

Generally speaking, once you get past the “traditional” species like foxes, rabbits, cats, etc., and start getting more into the esoteric fantasy/scifi species like sergals, protogens, and yinglets, the people who create characters for those species tend to fall into one of two camps:

  • super srs “you must follow this lore to the letter or I will end you, by which I mean I will post a FurAffinity journal for my 7 followers complaining about your character diverging from the lore that nobody will pay attention to” types
  • “oh this looks cool I’m gonna make one and put my own twist on the design” types

Funny story, the person who originally designed protogens tried to be the first type, but pretty much everyone ignored him and just did their own thing anyway

Globeparasite ,

what the devil is that contraption your describing ? What is a protogens ?

I’M SCARED

Eccitaze ,
@Eccitaze@yiffit.net avatar

They’re literally fluffy cyborgs with an LED monitor display for a face lol

https://yiffit.net/pictrs/image/186cf84d-3367-4f45-a786-135806c5eb73.jpeg

dylanTheDeveloper ,
@dylanTheDeveloper@lemmy.world avatar

Fucking child murder

Eccitaze ,
@Eccitaze@yiffit.net avatar

The fuck?

Laurentide ,
@Laurentide@pawb.social avatar

I think (hope) they’re referring to the last panel of that comic.

Eccitaze ,
@Eccitaze@yiffit.net avatar

Yeah but also why do people care that much about a one-off gag in a two-panel comic

It’s like going “well ackshually if Superman tried to lift the plane like that he’d just rip off its nose” except even dumber

So many people need to remember the MST3K mantra: “it’s just a TV show/movie/game/comic, I should really just relax”

dylanTheDeveloper ,
@dylanTheDeveloper@lemmy.world avatar

You need to calm down buddy

dylanTheDeveloper ,
@dylanTheDeveloper@lemmy.world avatar

Literally the computer equivalent of a lobotomy has happened in that comic and their guardian is like “lol lmao”. Idk why that Erkul guy is hella mad when I pointed out the plot

Globeparasite ,

I think i’d be mad too

Globeparasite ,

by god…

AgentOrangesicle ,
@AgentOrangesicle@lemmy.world avatar

Don’t be scared. Protogens run on 2015 Bayesian Inference search results from Google before Google became inherently evil.

So as long as long as they don’t update…

Globeparasite ,

so if we connect them to internet we die ? Is that right ?

AMDIsOurLord ,

Sergal

It’s originally from a Japanese series or something I’m not really well versed into that specific lore

CileTheSane ,
@CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

So what I’m hearing is if I tell the teacher I’m a platypus I don’t have to go to class?

Guaranteed if this law got passed there would be a high school somewhere where the entire student body shows up wearing cat ears.

Red_October ,

Ironically also means that it basically wouldn’t apply to anyone unless that person specifically wants it to. Performative outrage bill.

Globeparasite ,

yeah you see you can’t do the intelligent thing of just saying “you have to come to school with normal clothes on” which is literally what countries with a brain did. Also this is generally left to the school to set up. In France the law just says that a school is allowed to implement rules regarding clothing. Just simply think of P.E clothing. The law has a couple safeguard like you can’t ban a specific outfit for being from another culture (obvious) and the rest is left for the school to decide

Hobo ,

Like basically every school in the US has a dress code already. Don’t get this twisted into something else, this is purely performative nonsense by some backwoods inbred redneck.

dylanTheDeveloper ,
@dylanTheDeveloper@lemmy.world avatar

“What is my purport?”

“You are a furry”

“No”

inclementimmigrant ,

Who is Oklahoma Rep. Justin Humphrey?

Humphrey has made headlines in recent years in his advocacy of prison reform, capital punishment reform and rural development.

Oh I see now, he’s a dumb fuck white, rural, racist dumbass who saw something on the internet that made him feel funny and then tried to pray and then legislate the feelings away.

Also more on Justin Humphrey via wikipedia:

Humphrey’s efforts to introduce cockfighting legislation[27] has led to the outcry from animal rights advocates[28] and the former attorney general.[29] Oklahoma has been called the “Cockfighting Capitol of the United States.”[30] HB 2530, pushed by Justin Humphrey, died on April 13, 2023, for the second year in a row. Tulsa District Attorney Steve Kunzweiler said he was glad cockfighting remained a felony.[31] Transphobia and homophobia

Humphrey has made multiple transphobic comments. In an email responding to a constituent Humphrey said “I understand transgender people have mental illness”.[32] This view is not supported by the World Health Organization or the American Psychiatric Association.[32] In an interview published after the incident on April 15, 2021, Humphrey doubled down by saying “I want to tell your audience there is no transgender. There is male and there is female. And transgender would be a mental health issue… So those people that say I’m bigoted, I will say you’re insane and you’re doing the people wrong by doing that.”[32] Freedom Oklahoma, an LGBT advocacy group, denounced Humphrey’s comments calling them “a long-debunked myth”.[32]

Humphrey was quoted as saying “You’re dang skippy I’ll take my kid to a chicken fighting before I’m gonna take them to see a drag queen."[31]

On the flip side, myself and my high school friends way, way back in the day would have a had a field day with this type of dumbass law. Would be a shame if this passed and students were to test the law and their parents and their state/local traffic engineers who probably didn’t think of this type of dumbass shit ever happening.

gedaliyah ,
@gedaliyah@lemmy.world avatar

So, presumably he’d be okay with the furries if they were fighting each other?

Alterecho ,

Wait, wait, let him cook

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

When I was in high school, for some reason I will never know, the library had a concrete box of sand next to the two staircases that went to the library’s second level (it was a pretty big school). The mascot was the Panthers, and I always wanted to do a senior prank where I put fake dog shit in the sandbox and put a sign up that said ‘the panther’s litter box.’ Sadly, I never got around to it. But if this had been a law when I was in high school, I was such an asshole punk kid that I would have taken a shit there myself while meowing like a cat just to make a point.

itsralC ,

Maybe it was for electrical fires?

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

No, it was like a planter except instead of soil and plants, it was just sand.

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