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Why are people on the internet (and Lemmy) so quick to say someone "deserves to die"

On so many different news items, threads, etc. People are the first to claim pretty much anyone who has made a mistake, or does something they disagree with deserves to die.

Like, do some people not have the capability to empathise and realise they might have been in a similar place if they were born in a different environment…

I genuinely understand, you think a politician who has lead to countless deaths, a war criminal, or a mass rapists deserves to die.

But here people say it for stuff that falls way below the bar.

A contracted logger of a rainforest (who knows if they have the money / opportunity to support their family another way). Deserves to die.

A civilian of Nazi germany of whom we know nothing about their collaboration/agreement with the regime. Deserves to die.

Some person who was a drug dealer and then served their time. Deserves to die.

Like I don’t get it? Are people not able to imagine the kind of situations that create these people, and that it’s not impossible to imagine the large majority of people in these positions if born in a different environment?

TugOfWarCrimes ,

“Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends.”

-Gandalf the Grey / J R R Tolkein

EatATaco ,

We’ve been transitioning from a dignity culture to a victimhood/outrage culture for most of my adult life. The relevant one here is the outrage culture, where people are trying their damnedest to be the most outraged. Nothing shows that you are more are outraged by something than suggesting that someone should die for being in disagreement with you.

Illuminostro , (edited )

Why do conservatives believe gay, trans, black, brown, Liberals, and the disabled deserve to die?

NeatNit ,

Relevant: www.xkcd.com/2071/

https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/indirect_detection_2x.png

(please mentally adapt for Lemmy instead of Facebook)

GrammarPolice ,

Honestly pretty frickin relevant

Sotuanduso ,

I’ve seen this one before, but the alt text had me in a (silent) laughing fit anyways.

breadsmasher ,
@breadsmasher@lemmy.world avatar

anonymity allows people to be not very nice

thouartfrugal ,
@thouartfrugal@lemmy.world avatar

John Gabriel’s Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory

kent_eh ,

There’s a blast from the past.

inb4_FoundTheVegan ,
@inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world avatar

2004

There is a pretty decent chance I saw that on the day it was posted. I feel old. 😔

whyNotSquirrel ,
@whyNotSquirrel@sh.itjust.works avatar

You’re not nice! I wish you were dead!

breadsmasher ,
@breadsmasher@lemmy.world avatar

same

Lost_My_Mind , (edited )

Wait, you wish thouartfrugal were dead? Or you wish yourself were dead?

Phrasing left your statement vague.

breadsmasher ,
@breadsmasher@lemmy.world avatar

I wouldnt wish death on someone else

Lost_My_Mind ,

That’s horribly unempathetic of you.

breadsmasher ,
@breadsmasher@lemmy.world avatar

im sorry?

Lost_My_Mind ,

I just said how after a certain amount of time, people begin suffering if they live that long. We’ve never seen what happens if a person live to be 150 years old, but I assume it would be a level of suffering that people who are 105 haven’t even begun to experience, and never will.

You saying that people should live forever, just means they get about 90ish years of decent living, and then an eternity of suffering. I’m saying that everybody deserves to die.

breadsmasher ,
@breadsmasher@lemmy.world avatar

I understand

Kalkaline ,
@Kalkaline@leminal.space avatar

I’m so glad we’re all on the same page, does this mean we should be friends now?

Donebrach ,
@Donebrach@lemmy.world avatar

Why do so many people post on this community and other “asks” about stuff that I have literally never encountered at all yet purport it to be a rampant trend?

Lemminary ,

I’ve found that people on the internet generally have low empathy. If it’s not animal or child abuse, the responses are all over the place.

lvxferre ,
@lvxferre@mander.xyz avatar

It’s the result of the “bombastic” mix of false dichotomy, assumptions, and social media dynamics.

False dichotomy prevents you from noticing nuances, complexities, third sides, or gradations. Under a false dichotomy, there’s no such thing as “Alice and Bob are bad, but Alice is worse than Bob”; no, either they’re equally bad (thus both deserve to die), or one of them is good.

In the meantime, assumptions prevent you from handling uncertainties, as the person “fills the blanks” of the missing info with whatever crap supports their conclusion. For example you don’t know if Bob kills puppies or not, but you do know that he jaywalks, right? So you assume that he kills puppies too, thus deserving death.

I’m from the firm belief that people who consistent and egregiously engage in discourse showing both things are muppets causing harm to society, and deserve to be treated as such. (Note: “consistent and egregiously” are key words here. A brainfart or two is fine, as long as there’s at least the attempt of handling additional bits of info and/or complexity.)

Then there are the social media dynamics. I feel like a lot of users here already addressed them really well, but to keep it short: social media gives undue exposure to idiots doing the above due to anonymity, detachment from the situation, self-reinforcing loops (“circlejerks”), so goes on.

SnotFlickerman , (edited )
@SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

“AOC slams Trump.”

They may as well be writing articles that say:

“Trump fucking body slams Biden.”

The rhetorical devices are out of control.

lvxferre ,
@lvxferre@mander.xyz avatar

True that. And you reminded me a tidbit of human nature, that interferes in this situation:

If you mince words to make something look stronger, weaker, better, worse than it is, plenty people fall for it. Because they care too much about how something is said (the words) and too little about what is being said (the discourse).

SnotFlickerman , (edited )
@SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

What’s really crazy to me is that it’s not impossible to use a rhetorical device but still have it be rooted in reality. Like you can say “AOC doles out biting critique to GOP leadership” or something and it still allows the use of “biting” but is still living in the reality of that referring to a critique she made with words and ideas.

lvxferre , (edited )
@lvxferre@mander.xyz avatar

Possible? Yes. Desirable? No; at least, not for most news sources - the extreme sells better than the simply informative, and often this lack of precision is how they manipulate your views towards a certain subject.

Doburoku ,

Because they’re a stranger. I don’t know them and probably never will. Oh they did something shitty that cost someone else their life? Good, they deserve to die and I hope they burn in hell.

Because I don’t know them and they commited something I think is evil. There’s no purpose in me humanizing them. I humanize the actual people in life I interact with.

Also its impotent rage

Random123 ,

Thats brainless tbh. Thats the type of mindset that makes everyone a slave to their emotions because they all just react without thinking deeply/compassionately.

Its simply a lack of self control and critical thinking that leads people to lose their empathy

Doburoku ,

Ok. Don’t really care about what some random asshole online thinks I’m just explaining to OP.

I’m not changing.

Random123 ,

No worries bud consider it an explanation to OP to nullify yours

Well thats to be expected. Does a fish swim?

magnetosphere , (edited )
@magnetosphere@fedia.io avatar

Because people use hyperbole and aren’t always serious. How many times have you said “I’m gonna kill you”?

treadful ,
@treadful@lemmy.zip avatar

Never. I’d personally be afraid someone might take that seriously.

Though maybe that one’s cultural and said more casually where you’re from. I’ve heard it in TV shows, I guess.

limitedduck ,

How many times have you said that to a complete stranger? People generally use hyperbole with people who understand the hyperbole - the more extreme the hyperbole the more you need to trust the person would understand it. It’s the social contract

mecfs OP ,

Unfortunately the examples here are serious. In that I end up arguing with the person and they defend their point that the person should die/be killed.

magnetosphere ,
@magnetosphere@fedia.io avatar

Yikes.

GBU_28 ,

They are children, or act like them.

mecfs OP ,

https://media1.giphy.com/media/uNgUzhakqXkyI/giphy.gif?cid=6c09b952khatqby4isflbpn7h914eqp3svsiua40j7rynrqw&ep=v1_internal_gif_by_id&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g

Lost_My_Mind ,

Because EVERYBODY deserves to die!

Seriously. Have you ever visited anyone who was 105 years old? They aren’t enjoying life. They just exist. Now imagine how much agony you’d be in if you were 500 years old. Or a million years old.

EVERYBODY deserves to die.

TheImpressiveX , (edited )
@TheImpressiveX@lemmy.ml avatar

All extremists should be killed.

/s

sunzu2 ,

who decides what "extremists" means?

netvor ,
@netvor@lemmy.world avatar

/s means sarcasm.

(I myself don’t find this one funny though…)

spankmonkey ,

Moderates

sunzu2 ,

A moderate democrat is the root of a lot of evil in this here land...

spankmonkey ,

They aren’t the root, they just get in the way of clearing out the root.

whotookkarl ,
@whotookkarl@lemmy.world avatar

We judge others more harshly than ourselves or our friends and family, it’s often a tribal artifact of the environment our species grew up and evolved in through its infancy that has in part informed our acceptable behaviors as a social species who relies on groups for survival (justice, altruism, fairness, social contract, etc).

Sometimes it’s hyperbole, sometimes it’s incorrectly treating people different than ourselves as less than instead of different to, and sometimes someone violates common morality so abjectly that capital punishment is a popular acceptable outcome.

MossyFeathers ,

That’s because people are insane and unhinged, and love whipping themselves up into frenzies.

Tbh, they probably deserve to die.

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