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clearleaf ,

Has anyone else noticed how wild it is that in the service industry, despite the supposed crisis of shortstaffedness, things like McDonald’s never have to close locations even temporarily? It was never easy to work at McDonald’s yet all the workers pull through every single day with so fewer people to do it all. And they get less for it too. It’s beyond me how people could see the current generations as anything but the hardest workers since god knows when.

HawlSera ,

Because if they acknowledged our efforts they’d have to give us something for them.

phillaholic ,

Management has a lot to do with it. There’s a pizza shop in town that has had the same young staff for years. It’s unheard of anywhere else. They all appear happy and motivated. Other places are mixed bags. Some employees are good, some aren’t great. You get what you pay for. I can only assume the good place pays well and aren’t monsters to work for. During Covid they never had staffing shortages unlike the rest which had long wait times or signs on the door about staffing shortages. One place in was getting testy about their signs, not going as far to say “no one wants to work”, but close. Turns out they were offering $11/hr, while the Grocery store literally next door was offering $15/hr, and usually more hours at that. I don’t know if they ever figured out why they couldn’t keep staff.

clearleaf ,

I don’t see any of these places actually struggling though. Sure it takes longer to get mcdonalds but like I said I’ve never seen a closed mcdonalds even during snowstorms. The employees ALWAYS make it work. I used to work at a Tim Hortons which was “short staffed” but you should have seen the stacks of applications we had pouring in. They were like small town phone books. Almost daily interviews too. But nobody else got hired the entire 8 months I was there. Management had “help wanted” signs up, but they clearly didn’t want help very badly. The “worker shortage” is nothing but pure bullshit on bullshit on bullshit. Literally nothing is true about it, not even what you’re saying that the jobs aren’t worth it. Even the worst jobs have tons and tons of people competing for them.

phillaholic ,

I can’t speak for McDonalds I don’t go there. Can’t recall any of the chains closing for worker shortages or anything, but the mom and pop shops definitely did have worker shortages, I know some of the workers personally and they took jobs for more money in other industries. I’m pretty sure McDonalds paid more than these places during covid. I haven’t seen any signs in well over a year so I’d agree that there is no shortage anymore. I can confirm that several grocery stores were hiring people between 2020 and 2022. A lot of older people retired early or left public facing jobs.

I’m not denying that some businesses choose not to hire people on purpose, I’m sure that happened too. But I’d argue that Business owners doing that are also probably terrible to work for and people probably end up quiting.

RGB3x3 ,

The Republicans last night suggested raising the retirement age and blamed us for being lazy when we complain about not wanting to work an extra 3-5 years before collecting on social security and our retirement accounts.

Fuck these people.

Rakudjo ,
@Rakudjo@lemmy.world avatar

Make it retroactive so that everyone that’s already retired has to come back and work an additional 3-5 years. Lazy boomers won’t do it.

dhork ,

Whoopi needs to understand that there are several systemic things that are different now than when she was younger:

  • Health Care is prohibitively expensive, especially for major issues. If you don’t have a job with good insurance, and you have a major health emergency, that could ruin your finances for the duration. The good side to it is that we can treat a lot more things now; things that used to kill you are now survivable, even if it ruins your financial stability to do so.
  • Education is similarly expensive. We told all these kids that going to college is the key to a good job, but everyone is doing it so at the end of it all they don’t really have any advantage over their peers, but end up in tons of debt before they even start.
  • Casual Spending is much higher now, particularly as people work longer hours to pay off that medical and student loan debt. When Whoopi was young, going out to eat was a super-expensive treat. You got dressed up for it and everything. And you needed to go to the bank first and get cash to pay for it. Now “eating out” means grabbing a Taco Bell between shifts, because you dont have time to cook, and it all goes on the credit card to pay later (or not). It all adds up, but it not nearly as glamorous as she thinks.
  • The cost of living in an area has a lot to do with it. The Software Engineer who can work remotely can move from the Bay Area to almost everywhere else in the country and net more money after local expenses. But that schoolteacher in Palo Alto can’t do their job remotely, and will never be able to buy a house there. They will need to rent until they retire, or move so far out they have to clog up the freeway for over an hour each way.

Nome of these things are the kids fault, and some of them are the current ownership class (from her generation) draining as much value out of young people as they can before they die off. We should start calling Boomers “The Vampire Generation”.

ReallyActuallyFrankenstein ,

We should start calling Boomers “The Vampire Generation”.

I absolutely understand that not all boomers are part of the problem, but this is the absolute perfectly proportional response to that generation making ignorant hot takes about millennials and Gen Z.

AngryCommieKender ,

Their parents called them The Me Generation. They tried to call us Gen Xers that, but we’re so forgettable that we didn’t even make your list, lol. They’ve been talking shit about the younger generations for over 50 years

phillaholic ,

A Show like the View works if someone on the panel would say these things.

MonkRome ,

Woopi Goldberg specializes in saying ignorant shit to try and stay relevant. She’s just a shock jock. Stop falling for it.

dangblingus ,

How anyone can watch The View unironically is crazy to me.

cmoney ,

According to the US debt clock the median salary 20 years ago was $32,086 and the median home price was $167,890. Today the median salary is $36,097 and the median home price is $426,973.

return2ozma OP ,
@return2ozma@lemmy.world avatar

Damn.

Empricorn ,

What an out-of-touch Boomer. Even many famous actors acknowledge they are extremely lucky. Without at least the tiniest dose of humility you become entitled. Which is whatever. But when you apply that standard to everyone, it’s absolute nonsense. Not everyone had the money or connections to be set up for life. And not everyone should have the traditional “print money, afford any house and lifestyle you want” style career.

But they all deserve to have affordable housing, as well as healthcare. That’s being empathetic and actually contributing something as a human being…

dangblingus ,

And not everyone should have the traditional “print money, afford any house and lifestyle you want” style career.

Hard disagree. We created the predatory system that categorizes humans’ worth by how much money they generate. We can change the system so that any worker can afford a real home. Printing money? That’s fake. Humans are worth more than their intellect/skillset/education level/resumé.

Empricorn ,

I said “traditional”, but that apparently didn’t convey enough. I mean like the “solid” wealthy careers many parents and grandparents wanted their children to have. So no, everyone should not be a doctor/lawyer/business executive etc. Not because they deserve less, but because society needs people doing all the other jobs… But compensate them fairly.

AngryCommieKender ,

The highest paid jobs in society should be teachers, farmers, medical staff. Pay people for what they are actually contributing to the future of society.

Empricorn ,

Sure, you’re not wrong. I also believe in a Universal Basic Income, but neither is going to happen, especially not here in the US.

Stern ,
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Millennials are coming up on FORTY. We are starting to show up regularly in congress. We can run for president. We have survived multiple economic crises, the world falling apart around us, and have seen the ladders our forebears climbed pulled up behind them.

There aren’t enough hours in the week to afford the American dream anymore. Every starter home is being bought by multi-nationals for far more then we have to rent back to us for far too much of our paycheck. That paycheck still hasn’t gone up (despite our company having a banner year and giving massive bonuses to the chiefs) because we bought into the idea that our company is family when it turns out that family was the Donners and we’re looking like a snack.

So eat a bag of dicks Whoopi.

Draedron ,

Whoopsie Goldberg

UnknownHandsome ,

I read this comment section and I have no clue how about the world sometimes.

I see 20 year olds getting married and having kids. My cousin is barely 21 married with 2 kids, husband is the only worker and they own a house. He probably makes 50k a year. He works in a refinery.

My old boss moved to Castle Rock, Colorado. He doesn’t work, his wife is corporate and makes low 6 figures. They’re saving for a $600,000 house and will have the down payment in a year.

I’m not sure why some people are having such hard times and others seem to make it no problem.

My guess is that we aren’t being financially sound with our money. My buddy’s mom asked him to hold $100 to start her savings for a new apartment - she then called him a day later saying she needed $50 of it to eat. She called a day after that saying she needed the other $50 so she could eat. I asked him what she was eating and he said she only eats out, never cooks. Probably orders GrubHub constantly. If I had to guess A LOT of people live a lifestyle that is inconsistent with their income. But, those people will argue they’re eating sandwiches and nothing but crackers ALL THE TIME, things are just “more expensive.” I’m honestly perplexed by the economics of the world.

Zuberi ,
@Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Boomer energy w/ this one lol

figaro ,

When boomers were our age, they owned something like 40% of the United States wealth. We, currently, own just 4% of the wealth. 2% of that is owned by Mark Zuckerberg.

That kind of disparity and change doesn’t happen simply on its own, or because of laziness. There are systemic issues at play.

Mustard ,

Huh, it kind of sounds like there’s this kind of… divide between certain groups of people where some can make it and some really struggle. Any ideas on what we should call these two CLASSes of people? Maybe we could figure out some kind of CLASS SYSTEM.

hrimfaxi_work ,
@hrimfaxi_work@midwest.social avatar

I’m gonna invent a term forb when there’s consciousness of class.

I think I’m gonna call it “social stratification alertness.”

SheeEttin ,

That guy that works in a refinery definitely makes way more than $50k. Oil & gas pays very well, especially with overtime.

But you don’t know their financial situation in any case. I know people that own houses because they got lucky. They knew someone that was selling and they got a good deal, or they happened to buy right before COVID and everything jumped. Or their family contributed, or they have something they inherited. Or they just financed everything and they’re in debt up to their eyeballs.

paddirn ,

This coming from somebody whose job is to just sit around and gossip with other women.

dangblingus ,

And before that played dressup for 30 years.

pythonoob ,

Whose name is literally a euphemism for coitus.

Thanks for the input coitus Goldberg.

mriormro ,
@mriormro@lemmy.world avatar

Attacking someone for their chosen name, even if we disagree with them, is childish and only weakens our arguments. Attack the idea, not the person.

pythonoob ,

Beg to differ.

mriormro ,
@mriormro@lemmy.world avatar

Then enjoy the bottom of the hierarchy of disagreement and no one taking your position seriously.

pythonoob ,

Thanks! Enjoy your lofty position way up in the clouds!

M500 ,

I’d love for someone to just once elaborate on this.

What does it mean to work harder? More hours? Work harder at my current job?

Most people would not be allowed to work at their job for more hours due to overtime limits. Some jobs won’t let people work a second job.

If I work harder at my current job, what’s going to happen? Will they be grateful and just pay me more or will they create a position to promote me?

I don’t get what that means.

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    100_kg_90_de_belin ,

    Individualizing structural problems is rich people’s favorite move

    oyo ,

    It means get off your lazy ass and quit that dead end job. Start your own business selling chia underwear. You can’t afford the startup costs? Just get a couple mil loan from your dad.

    riquisimo ,

    Man I’ve got all this chia underwear, is that what I’m supposed to be doing with it?

    100_kg_90_de_belin ,

    I’m a high-school teacher in Italy, if I wanted to work a second I would have to ask my principal for permission (and there are lota of jobs that are forbidden, anyway). If I wanted to work more at my high-school job, those activities would be paid next year, if I’m lucky.

    M500 ,

    What kind of jobs are forbidden?

    stella ,

    You wanna know the real answer? Take advantage of others. Cheat, steal, lie, do whatever it takes to get ahead.

    Once you have money, you immediately become one of the ‘hard workers.’ Without it, you’ll always be seen as a lazy bum who only has themselves to blame for their position in life.

    tigeruppercut ,

    Cheat, steal, lie, do whatever it takes to get ahead.

    Lie, cheat, steal, kill, win, win… everybody doing it

    piped.video/watch?v=BEOximWoFd0

    Bartsbigbugbag ,

    This song was wild live.

    wetnoodle ,
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    Funniest thing is, probably anyone making minimum wage is working harder than woopi shitberg ever has

    dangblingus ,

    Duh. If you aren’t a multimillionaire with an EGOT, you obviously don’t work hard.

    prole ,

    It means giving up your life for a corporation who will never even know your name beyond a number on a computer.

    ipkpjersi ,

    People who say it don’t get what it means, because people who actually work hard don’t say it, and people who say it don’t work hard.

    Kolanaki ,
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    Damn Gainen, I thought you were smarter than that.

    unreachable ,
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    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/239b7c9b-c301-4874-ad57-b39f6b5dfcb3.webm

    be_excellent_to_each_other ,
    @be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social avatar

    Yeah I am so ready to be a Whoopi Goldberg fan, I really want to love her, but then shit like this comes up....

    girltwink ,

    I once thought that if i could ever make six figures, I’d be set for life. I could have anything i wanted. Now i make multiple times that number and i can still barely afford a house that’s big enough for my family of 3. I’m house poor and an emergency could bankrupt me in an instant. I’m in the top like 0.1% of income earners. What the fuck?

    there1snospoon ,

    What housing market are you in? City?

    girltwink ,

    Portland, OR. My budget realistically maxes out around 600k, and so far at that price all i can find are weird houses from 100 years ago with various flaws or in bad neighborhoods. Good houses seem to start around 750k.

    jonne ,

    Haha, not quite making as much as you, but I’m doing significantly better than the average person and saving is just impossible. Groceries, energy and basically every other inelastic good just crept up to take up an increasingly big slice of the budget. It’s all shit you can’t easily cut.

    Then you hear conservatives talk about the fertility rate, and young people not having kids and you just think to yourself: “I can’t afford to add kids to a family, we’re barely getting by as it is.”. The family values people don’t give a shit about the economics of having one.

    AnarchoSnowPlow ,

    Family values == “create more laborers plebe”

    NAXLAB ,

    How??? What kind of house do you live in? What kind of car do you drive?

    girltwink ,

    I haven’t bought a house yet. Been house shopping for about 4 months trying to find something in my budget. I drive a beat up old Honda Civic.

    stella ,

    If you make >$200,000/year and still struggle to find housing, you’re the problem. It’s sad how people like you feel they need more money when so many others, somehow, get by with significantly less. Why should you get it before them?

    Probably because you feel entitled to live on the West Coast. You just want to ignore supply and demand.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Probably because you feel entitled to live on the West Coast.

    I don’t even understand this comment. Should the West Coast be completely unpopulated aside from rich people?

    jonne ,

    Obviously people should live where the jobs aren’t.

    vividspecter ,

    “Every generation is told, ‘You’re gonna do worse than your parents,’

    What? The historical expectation is that every generation will be better off than the last. That hasn’t held in recent years, which is a problem.

    jonne ,

    If you’re raking in easy TV pundit money, you’re going to get out of touch real quick. That’s why watching TV is just so weird these days. It’s all millionaires that haven’t held a normal job in decades saying we’re just not working hard enough.

    Zahille7 ,

    Tbh it’s mainly why I watch YouTube nowadays…

    norske ,

    Yeah. And now look at how we’re all here bitching about this instead of planning an appetizer course for when we get hungry to eat some fattened rich fucks.

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