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Bluefalcon ,

2 Full-time and 4 part-time employees quit. The population is 1,000 people. They should find 2 solid officers and 4 crisis workers. They will accomplish more for the community than the people that quit.

Catasaur ,
@Catasaur@lemmy.catasaur.xyz avatar

Nice, now do all other police departments in the nation.

Also, the absolute chads over in Powderhorn don’t call the cops anyway, so they will be unaffected.

MaxPow3r11 ,

Good.

Now the rest of police

from all departments

need to just do the same

and we’ll be good.

ineedaunion ,

Awwww pigs sad they can’t kill people without looking like heros. All pigs should be bacon.

Cethin ,

Eat the rich and pigs.

rez_doggie ,

Those pigs just needed to pull harder on those boot straps

yesman ,

Nobody wants to work anymore.

Discoslugs ,
@Discoslugs@lemmy.world avatar

So right now with our current — trying to hire at $22 an hour, you’re never going to see another person again walk through those doors. That’s it," Smith said. “Unless you guys do a dramatic change.”

Smith stressed the urgency of the matter and said smaller police departments he has looked into pay at least $30 an hour.

I wonder if these cops support raising the minimum wage.

ineedaunion ,

I’d be a cop for that. A good one that doesn’t just look for reasons to murder.

sucricdrawkcab ,
@sucricdrawkcab@lemmy.world avatar

You mean actual community policing?

SturgiesYrFase ,
@SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml avatar

Wooooooah…hey now, don’t go crazy!

negativeyoda ,

Yeah, except I know plenty of people who have gone into policing bright eyed and idealistic. Your coworkers are regular police who reinforce every bad thing you hear about.

None of those people in question lasted

ineedaunion ,

Only good cops get fired and outcasted.

books ,

I mean in fairness, our local McDonald’s is paying 16-18 an hour… So getting 22 to do a job that most people wouldn’t want to do and forces you to deal with people you’d normally try to avoid, doesn’t sound like a hard ask.

Discoslugs ,
@Discoslugs@lemmy.world avatar

So getting 22 to do a job that most people wouldn’t want to do and forces you to deal with people you’d normally try to avoid

Are you talking about working at mcdonalds or being a cop?

books ,

Yes.

SeaJ ,

Contract out with the county. A city of 1000 does not need a full time officer let alone two full time ones and five part time officers.

Landmammals ,

2 officers per 1000 people isn’t crazy.

SeaJ ,

True but again, they can easily contract out with the county. It is a fairly sparsely populated county and according to policescorecard.org, they have 2.3 officers per 1000 people which is better than 73% of departments.

The town I grew up in has about 2500 people and has not had a police department since the 90s. The last Republican candidate for governor here in Washington was police chief of a town of 1000 people and the town decided it made no sense to even have a department so they ended it while he ran which he did not expect. Both towns are still doing perfectly fine.

afraid_of_zombies ,

About 1% of the population has a criminal record. So 1 cop for every 5?

jhulten ,

2 officers can’t work 24/7. Three shifts of 4x10 (for overlap) is six people per cop on the street.

xantoxis ,

FUCK EMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

You’re free. Do something other than police. You kinda have to, now.

Tedesche ,

I’m all for police reform, but you “fuck the police”/ACAB types are just anarchist idiots with serious inferiority complexes. Nothing in this article said anything about the police in question being corrupt of abusive of their power. They were just underpaid.

derGottesknecht ,

Nothing in this article said anything about the police in question being corrupt of abusive of their power.

It said US Police…

Astroturfed ,

Police, in America. You clearly haven’t had any real interactions with them.

LifeInMultipleChoice , (edited )

From the U.S.

A lot of interactions with police, very positive overall. Biggest issue I ever have had was having to wait over a holiday weekend to get a 1st hearing before being released.

Using the ACAB terminology is a gaurenteed way to ensure racism and bad treatment are fixed at a way slower pace.

Edit: my thought process… Anyone who wants to help change or becomes a cop trying to better the system you are already classifying as a bad person. So now they are trying an up hill battle against people that don’t like them bringing reform, fighting for people that don’t like them and call them names when they’re never met them. Eventually you imagine they give up on the reform because it’s easier and the same pay, and at least the people around them start to like them.

Rom ,

Using the ACAB terminology is a gaurenteed way to ensure racism and bad treatment are fixed at a way slower pace.

So you acknowledge police are racist and abusers and aren’t doing anything to fix it internally?

_wintermute ,

They still think the concept of a “good cop” exists lmfao. What it must be like to have such an elementary level take.

LifeInMultipleChoice ,

I never said such. I just believe the solution to the issues at hand aren’t as elementary as you make it out to be. What we do know though, is making an enemy out of a group doesn’t make them more willing to reform towards our viewpoints. It creates more Trumps, Desantis, Abbotts followers that lock down from working against the issues at hand and double down on not listening to solutions.

_wintermute ,

I said nothing about solutions to any issue at hand. The cops made an enemy out of the people first, probably right around the time the white supremacists were becoming the majority. The cops will never “reform to our viewpoints” because they exist to protect private property and the interests of the wealthy.

The fact that either you’re 18 and have almost zero political perspective or you just literally have zero political perspective is showing.

_wintermute ,

It creates more Trumps, Desantis, Abbotts followers that lock down from working against the issues at hand and double down on not listening to solutions.

Sounds like “reach across the aisle to fascists.” Do you really think those people will ever “listen to solutions?” like one day DeSantis et al are just going to come around and apologize for being blatant bigoted fascists? Lmao

We don’t need the ~30% of the country that sucks. Stop acting like we need them for anything. They are gone, living in their own reality.

I love how your argument is don’t disagree with fascists because you’ll get more fascism. Clown show.

yiliu ,

“There isn’t even a single good cop in the world” is one of the most edgelord 13-year-old takes I’ve ever seen, and you’re acting like his take is oversimplified?

_wintermute ,

Right. The way the justice system works in America, specifically as it pertains to law enforcement, is an example of an institution that is against the people in general. It was not designed to help the people but to keep the powerful in power and wealthy. It isn’t about justice, but taking rights away from minorities. Any “good” cop ends up realizing that the whole institution is corrupt as fuck (as it exists in America) and quits or gets forced out for not being a corrupt piece of shit in one way or another.

Your ignorance of this is telling of how little life experience you have. Or you’ve just been white and suburban your entire life.

Edit: let me guess, you’re friends with plenty of cops and all the cops in your (white) town are sweet as pie!

yiliu ,

Damn, if that’s their ‘real’ job, they’re doing a terrible job of it! You’re wrong, actually, I live in a major city I know a lot of Chinese and Indian people, including my wife, and an easy majority my coworkers at work are the same, including the CEO–hell, the CEOs of most major tech companies at this point…and the police haven’t done shit to stop them! Hell, there’s a bunch of black families that have moved right into my neighborhood–which is a pretty nice neighborhood, I might add–and they’re walking around here like they have the same rights as everybody else!

Somebody really ought to remind these cops what their real job is, cuz they’re failing at it pretty horribly.

_wintermute ,

White clown lmao. “Cops are fine because I don’t see the bad shit they do because I’m white (but I know Indians and my wife is Chinese or some shit and one time I voted for a black person to be president)”

Edit: also somehow “Cops aren’t racist because non white people are CEOs”

??? The fuck are you on lmao or was that more of a “racism doesn’t exist anymore” sort of sentiment.

yiliu ,

I think you’re doing a much better job of arguing against yourself than I could.

_wintermute ,

Your argument is logically the same as saying All Lives Matter or Not All Men. Misses the point entirely.

Like so many white folks in “nice neighborhoods” you base your reality and world view around the comfortable bubble in which you live.

“The institution of policing is fine because it works out for me” is what you are telling me. Privileged as fuck and you don’t even know it. Classic.

LifeInMultipleChoice ,

I believe that racism is rampant throughout all of humanity and causes abuses in our police force quite often, yes. But just like using all other generalizations, I don’t believe you are automatically a white, male, virgin, glasses wearing, over weight, etc just because you are on lemmy having a conversation.

If we tell ourselves all cops are such, it leaves no room to fix any of the issues. It builds hate, mistrust, and increases problems. Getting rid of the police completely isn’t the solution even if we want a large reformat. No police would enter mafia/gang run very quickly, there is just to much money and not enough risk to not do so.

_wintermute , (edited )

No police would enter mafia/gang run very quickly, there is just to much money and not enough risk to not do so.

From one gang to another. Seems good. I’ll take the gang without federal/state government backed military equipment, drones, legal and nearly impervious unionization and command of the legal system, etc etc.

Edit: almost forgot about the blank check they have to get around encrypted communications and devices etc. All legal mind you.

negativeyoda ,

Well.

If it walks like a pig and talks like a pig… these stereotypes must have just bamfed into reality?

Your solution is to checks notes be polite to them? Fuck outta here with that noise. ACAB a a rallying cry has gotten traction and is finally putting pressure on those assholes to be accountable.

We’ve tried time and time again to reform the police, to censure them… it’s never gotten better. It’s horrifically worse in a lot of ways today. The police in my city have been sued by the federal government, and it’s going as well as you’d expect

Growing up as a 17 year old who listened to punk rock who wanted to drink and be a shit 17 year old, I hated the police. As a 47 year old homeowner and parent, my hatred of the policy’s brutality and lack of accountability is thousands of times more intense.

Astroturfed ,

You white, we get it.

_wintermute ,

Found the cop, family of cop, or regularly beaten “pick-me” wife of cop.

FringeTheory999 ,

Adequately paid when you account for all their OT and other forms of compensation. plus the perks of being unfirable and immune to 99.9999999999% of prosecution. Since police corruption is systemic, and these cops are a part of that system, these cops are by definition corrupt.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Sure, they’re the one non-corrupt, non-abusive police force in America. Plausible.

exohuman ,
@exohuman@programming.dev avatar

Part of the reason we have issues with the police force and their policing is that they aren’t treated like professionals and held to professional standards. We need to pay them like the professionals too, even if that means we hire less.

deft ,

unfortunately same with politicians

Nioxic ,

Politicians should have the same income as they did before becominh politicians

This means they to get out and get a real job before going into politics. Seeing how things work.preventing dumb career politicians from having no clue how people live.

Riven ,
@Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

A lot of them come from money’d backgrounds. Would be easy to just get hired on a high salary from their own company or a family members company. Heck companies could use that to lobby even harder. Hire them on for a year at super high rate and then they get them in politics.

ghostofjohnnycache ,

Or maybe the income for politicians should be on-par with any other civil servant. Post workers, trash collection truck drivers, state court clerks, natural park management, it’s all civil services.

They argue that being a politician requires having tons of connections and being a “people-person,” but that’s only because they’ve made it that way over the past 50 or so years. There’s nothing about being a politician that is so essentially different than any other way to serve a government or to help a government serve its people.

ChicoSuave ,

Politicians should have their assets placed in a trust for the duration of their term, to encourage them to not run repeated terms. Then the politician should have to live on the median income for their district - to encourage them to improve the entire district and not just their own interests.

littlewonder ,

If we demand higher police pay, we better be raising EMT, social work, and teacher salaries too.

And yes, I know this is whataboutism, but it feels wrong to fund police while some of the support system workers that prevent crime in the first place would be thrilled to be making the hourly rate these cops were.

exohuman ,
@exohuman@programming.dev avatar

Oh, I definitely think we need to raise those too. These systems are all needed and aren’t attracting the minds they should because we aren’t paying them.

AA5B ,

The posted article complains they were offering $22/hr when similar towns are offering $30/hr. Here’s another article (from 3 years ago) that ranks average police salary in Minnesota as pretty high, just behind Massachusetts, which has a much higher cost of living. seems reasonable to complain is pay much lower than state average or typical of their peers

www.forbes.com/…/police-officer-salary-state/?sh=…

phoneymouse ,

Police make hundreds of thousands of dollars with overtime in many places even low level officers.

spongebue ,

Source? Is this really a common enough thing, or just an edge case? How much overtime is required? What about the $20-something/hour mentioned in the article?

AA5B ,

This is a problem in Massachusetts, because we require officers for every road construction project, instead of flaggers, but I also thought this was an exception

steltek ,

The real problem in Massachusetts is that the Staties were getting paid OT for traffic details when they were actually asleep in bed.

Nothing_911 ,

The US needs stronger labor laws, if these guys were unionized (and the government wasn’t made to cripple them) they could be paid a living wage in the first place.

DLSchichtl ,

The police union is one of the largest, most powerful unions in America, and is a prime example of what happens when a union has too much power, sooo wat?

MonkRome ,

I’m a strong labor advocate, for everything but police. The police are the ones that are called to assault, coerce, and (historically) kill labor organizers. Those class traitors don’t deserve a union. And they primarily use their unions to keep their worst cops on the job far past any reasonable assessment of them as anything other than evil people.

prole ,

Lol yes, if only police unions existed 🙄

_wintermute ,

The cops have the only union that will do everything to ensure they aren’t held accountable for anything. Think about it. Of all the industries that need unionization and the corrupt fascist cops are enjoying it every day.

moody ,

I generally agree with the ACAB sentiment, but they were being paid $22 an hour which is a pittance. I wouldn’t do the job for that salary either.

Madison420 ,

Pay depends on the area, if everyone else is making 13 then 22 is a kings salary. Should it work that way at this point? No but it does and being a cop statistically is less dangerous than my job.

nsfw_only ,

It’s not just the raw danger it’s also the shit you have to deal with. I can’t imagine the stress of it. I wouldn’t do it.

Not to mention with this acab bullshit it’s even less than thankless.

I have a client who was responsible for recruitment for the local police and she said it was difficult to find people, which leads to worse conditions, more overtime, and more stress for everyone in the department.

_wintermute ,

Not to mention with this acab bullshit it’s even less than thankless.

Oh right we should be thanking cops for giving us traffic tickets when we just watched them blow through the same stop sign. We should be thanking them for murdering minorities in over policed neighborhoods. We should be thanking them for… checks notes one more time getting afraid of the dog in the yard they’re not supposed to be in and shooting it to death. /s

COPS DESERVE NO RESPECT. THEY ARE NOT HEROES.

You are so fucking cop pilled lmao

DLSchichtl ,

I live in one of the poorest states in the country, and even there, 22 is barely above average. So that a fuckin’ lie. This state has TWO of the most dangerous cities in America. Not even the desperate would police this shit for that money.

TurboDiesel ,
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    DLSchichtl ,

    I am referring to the state I live in, not Minnesota.

    TurboDiesel ,
    @TurboDiesel@lemmy.world avatar

    I re-read your comment; my bad! Deleted my old comment as it wasn’t relevant.

    AA5B ,

    The article complains similar small towns were offering $30/hr

    Madison420 ,

    Small cities will often have a few high paid officers rather than a gaggle of essentially bag boys.

    _wintermute ,

    Do what job? Eat donuts in the only dunkin donuts in a 1000 person hovel and watch YouTube? Seems like a pretty cushy job for 22/hr. Let’s not act like this place is the height of crime…

    Don’t ever make the mistake thinking that cops have a hard or dangerous job.

    negativeyoda ,

    I’d sooner eat my own stool than be a cop, but it’s more than $22 if you sit in your idling cruiser looking at your phone while racking up that sweet overtime

    BobVersionFour ,

    Time to call a crackhead

    kttnpunk ,
    @kttnpunk@lemmy.world avatar

    Beats a racist with a power complex anyday. Although there is a significantly higher overlap than you’d think.

    PP_BOY_ ,
    @PP_BOY_@lemmy.world avatar

    Brb, moving to Goodhue, Minnesota

    DLSchichtl ,

    To do crime?

    ScrollinMyDayAway ,

    So having resigned (quit) they are not eligible for unemployment, I assume.

    brcl ,
    @brcl@artemis.camp avatar

    I would not assume anything when it comes to unemployment. I’ve seen it awarded in all sorts of circumstances, including during a resignation.

    HooPhuckenKarez ,

    I have quit and collected more than once.

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