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A teen was falling asleep during a courtroom field trip. She ended up in cuffs and jail clothes

A teenager on a field trip to see a Detroit court ended up in jail clothes and handcuffs because a judge said he didn’t like her attitude.

Judge Kenneth King even asked other kids in the courtroom Tuesday whether the 16-year-old girl should be taken to juvenile detention, WXYZ-TV reported.

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sorrybookbroke ,

Don’t worry guys, the judge offered to be that girl’s mentor. Asked her parents and all, so he sees no problem with this usage of power. You can absolutely trust him to be alone with a child and “teach her right”

Reverendender ,

I was so worried!

Dead_or_Alive ,

That’s the most infuriating part of this story for me. If a judge did that to my child and then offered to mentor them, I’d be redoubling my effort to get them disbarred or worse.

p5yk0t1km1r4ge ,
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How the fuck is this allowed?

Warl0k3 ,

Separation of powers. Executive has the DOJ and friends, Congress has the Sgt at arms and Judiciary has contempt. All three are, in theory, immune to interference from the other branches, to allow said branches to defend themselves. Stupid, stupid idea.

NegativeInf ,

If I got arrested for every time I fell asleep on a boring field trip, I’d have been arrested 0 times. Because Texas doesn’t fund education.

Viking_Hippie ,

That was quite a ride 😄👏👏

DudeImMacGyver ,
@DudeImMacGyver@sh.itjust.works avatar

“You just yee’d yer last haw.”

-Texas’s governor to school teachers probably

timewarp ,
@timewarp@lemmy.world avatar

What the fuck is going on in Detroit where the other judges haven’t removed him yet?

pepperjacques ,

I got put in silent lunch one time because I fell asleep during a guy describing his time in Japan as a teacher by my asshole homeroom teacher (she thought I was acting up because another teacher woke me up and she only saw that). That was unfair and I absolutely hated middle school, but this is a whole new level of fucked.

haunte ,

King told WXYZ that he spoke to the girl’s parents and offered to be a mentor.

This guy is a psychopath. He just traumatized this girl and now he wants to have influence in her life? Yikes. It sounds like he wants to finish the job of making her life hell.

einlander ,

Sounds like grooming to me.

Etterra ,

How about instead he issues them a check. Restitution is an order here.

JigglySackles ,

I don’t think money fixes this, but it would at least be symbolic restitution.

Lemming6969 ,

100k for a college fund definitely fixes this. Also he should lose his position.

rami ,

is that even enough for 3 years at a public university nowadays

jaemo ,

Yep, that’s a do not pass go, do not collect 200$, just all the way to fuck right off and here’s a smack to the jaw as a tip for your stellar service.

snooggums , (edited )
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Judge Aliyah Sabree, who has the No. 2 leadership post at the court, released a statement Wednesday night, saying King’s conduct “does not reflect the standards we uphold at 36th District Court.”

If someone does a thing and isn’t stopped or reprimanded then their actions do reflect the standards because those things happened. If your court lets a judge treat a child like a criminal for falling asleep, that is who you are as a court.

Fuck anyone who says “this isn’t who we are” and doesn’t actually do anything to prove that is the case.

Frozyre ,

I know right?

It's just PR to protect themselves, not about actually doing fuck all about what just transpired. Many people like this show such cowardice to make a difference.

JigglySackles ,

I want to say that the issue in this case with stopping him is that the other judge wasn’t present to alter it. But then you are still right because presumably that other judge is never there to stop this kind of thing.

Dasus ,
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As if it’s just “one bad apple” and if someone else had been there this person would’ve been reprimanded for this arbitrary scared straight bullshit.

Nah, even if there had been a second judge and they had been there and thought it crazy, they probably still would’ve defended their judge friend’s decision.

You know, like cops do.

chiliedogg ,

Michigan district Court judges are elected. You can’t just fire an elected official. His term ends January 1, 2027.

snooggums ,
@snooggums@midwest.social avatar

So funny story, even elected officials generally have recalls or other methods to reign them in when they are completely out of line.

This judge has been removed from the docket and will undergo training due to this incident. He wasn’t removed from office, but he can’t do any more damage until he goes through the training.

chiliedogg ,

Fortunately this particular judicial position does require the officeholder to be a licensed attorney in good standing and answerable to the bar, which gives extra disciplinary and training options.

Amazingly, most judges do not have that requirement. In fact, even SCOTUS justices don’t have to be attorneys. They all are, but there’s not actually a requirement for it.

thesmokingman ,

Teens are constantly sleepy because that’s how teens work. School start times especially make it impossible to for them to get proper sleep. I’d say it’s ridiculous that someone who has authority over teens doesn’t understand the fucking basics of teens but it’s the Us criminal justice system where authority is made up and the credentials don’t matter.

NoIWontPickAName ,

What time does school start where you are?

idiomaddict ,

Teenagers need 8-10 hours of sleep and don’t get tired until later in the evening, so waking up in time for a 7-8 am start time can compromise their sleep

NoIWontPickAName ,

Explains why my elementary school started at 8 but high school started at 9.

I always figured it was just because parents didn’t want to have to fight with us at that age

polle ,

I would argue that school starting time has nothing to do with the kids needs, and more like that the parents can be in time for work.

idiomaddict ,

That’s the reason against starting late. Parents want older siblings to be available to babysit after school and employers want a 16 year old’s shift to start at 14:30, not 16:30. Extracurricular activities (which should be supported, as long as the children themselves want to do them and as long as they’re not actively harmful to children) can often run 90-150 minutes with changing time and warmups, which makes a later start time logistically difficult for families with children of various ages who want to eat dinner together.

It’s a complicated issue and a solution which involves shorter school hours seems to me to be the best one, but that’s obviously even harder to implement without cutting things that are important, so I don’t know how to actually solve this problem.

I live in Germany now, which has tracking. This seems both hella classist and better for ensuring kids can get sufficient sleep. I would love to know if any country/school system has figured out how to do it in a way that doesn’t deprive some kids of future opportunities.

FuglyDuck ,
@FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

Probably could swing the shorter hours by reducing summer vacation.

Take classes to double blocks with an alternating cycle in case classes get too short.

This would anger sports coaches that want to use summer for torturing their kids training camp, and farmers that like the cheaper-than-illegal-immigrants that need summer jobs.

idiomaddict ,

You’re right. I feel like that takes a fundamental part of my childhood away from other kids, but with the child labor laws in some states, that was no longer safe anyway.

bitwaba ,

And limiting the number of busses on the road at the same time for those other parents stuck in rush hour traffic.

LifeInMultipleChoice ,

For us it was 7:20 high school, 8:20 elementary, 9:20 middle school. Reason was using the same busses and high schoolers were more likely to need time after school for work or sports/band/after school groups.

In practice it meant that I could pull 40 hour work weeks starting at 16, then by 18 be working some nights till 1-3am and getting up for school in the morning. Stupid decisions were made.

They made laws to further limit the hours kids could work after to try to make healthier opportunities for kids. Unfortunately a certain governor is trying to carve those laws up now. (Desantis)

DudeImMacGyver ,
@DudeImMacGyver@sh.itjust.works avatar

Wow, 9? That must have been nice. I had to get up at 6:30 every day. It was awful and I was always tired until college where I could schedule when classes started.

NoIWontPickAName ,

Rolled out of bed at 8:50 and walked half a block to school

Pyr_Pressure ,

I don’t understand why school has to be a full day either. I’m sure teachers could use an extra hour every morning to do their prep, planning, and grading.

thesmokingman ,

Thanks for citing for me. This is exactly what I was referring to!

JigglySackles ,

Middle school kids in my neighborhood catch the bus at 630am., so you know most of them are up 30-45 mins prior.

blackn1ght ,

6:30?!! What the actual fuck lol

NoIWontPickAName ,

Buses have a lot of ground to cover and a lot of stops to make

JigglySackles ,

Yeah, school starts at 720. It’s stupid early.

blackn1ght ,

What time does it finish?

JigglySackles ,

220p

blackn1ght ,

Why doesn’t it just start and finish 90 minutes later? What do the kids do once they’ve finished school and the parents are still in work?

Sir_Kevin ,
@Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

All the kids on that field trip learned a valuable lesson that day.

JigglySackles ,

Just not the lesson he intended. Always good to learn that the justice system is against you and will abuse it’s power to “make an example” of you.

danc4498 ,

Probably getting kickbacks from the private prison industry.

thesporkeffect ,

This must be the bad part of Detroit I hear so much about

don ,

Put that shitty excuse of a judge in prison so he can reflect on his crimes.

Henry ,

I feel I like this world again, XD

Olhonestjim ,

May you then enjoy the full force of it.

rob_t_firefly ,
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“I wanted this to look and feel very real to her, even though there’s probably no real chance of me putting her in jail. That was my own version of ‘Scared Straight,’” King said, referring to a documentary about teen offenders in New Jersey.

For those unfamiliar, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scared_Straight! was roundly debunked after the fact as a stupid fucking thing to do which did the opposite of what it was supposed to, and attendees of the program ended up more likely to reoffend.

rickyrigatoni ,

They even had a “where are they now” at the end of each program that showed it didn’t work.

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