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Tim Walz is giving MAGA a master class in manhood

The joyful Minnesota governor is a valuable spokesperson for Harris whose background and personality can help the Democratic ticket undermine Trump’s efforts to woo America’s men.

Tim Walz’s first official speech on the Democratic ticket displayed all the reasons that Kamala Harris has been lauded for picking the Minnesota governor as her running mate. Personally, I think one outshines all the rest.

Walz’s military background and his work as a high school teacher and football coach, along with his palpable joy and open expressions of compassion for people in need, offer America a vision of what manhood can look like — he’s a “joyful warrior” offering a vision in contrast with what’s being offered by Donald Trump’s bravado-driven campaign.

And he’s clearly willing to challenge Team Trump on that front. He displayed that even before he received the call to join Harris’ campaign, using public appearances to refer to Trump and his allies as “bullies” who are truly weak at heart and by mocking the GOP ticket for “running for He-Man Women Haters Club or something.”

lennybird ,
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I read somewhere else a woman who said, “Walz represents all the dads we used to have but lost to Fox News.”

cheese_greater ,

Maybe that can help counter the nostalgia and hate that drives Trump’s demographic

Track_Shovel ,

God damn, that’s heart wrenching.

idiomaddict ,

I also love that the weirdest thing about him (word choice intentional) is his preferred beverage of diet Mountain Dew, which Vance also drinks instead of coffee.

frankgrimeszz ,

deep inhale “Doooooooodge…… Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaall”

nondescripthandle ,

‘MAGA choked up, struggling with Walz’s manhood’

brown567 ,

How’s that gag order treating ya, Donnie?

Nuke_the_whales ,

Maga chokes on Tim’s manhood

queermunist ,
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Walz’s military background and his work as a high school teacher and football coach, along with his palpable joy and open expressions of compassion for people in need, offer America a vision of what manhood can look like — he’s a “joyful warrior” offering a vision in contrast with what’s being offered by Donald Trump’s bravado-driven campaign.

Manhood is when you serve in the military and play football. Really open and progressive ideas here.

SteveFromMySpace ,

You’re missing the point. He did those things and isn’t a complete and utter tool as a result. They aren’t his identity or opportunities to “be manly.” They were acts of service.

Think of it this way: if someone wanted you to meet their 60 year white American man friend who served 2 decades in the military and coached high school football, would your immediate assumption be you’re about to meet someone like Walz? Most of us have a lot of bad assumptions about that person out the gate before meeting them.

Then it turns out they actually have a pretty progressive record as a governor. Look at his record, not the stereotypes of where he came from. That’s the point.

queermunist ,
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You’re missing the point. He did those things and isn’t a complete and utter tool as a result. They aren’t his identity or opportunities to “be manly.” They were acts of service.

You’re missing the underlying assumption, which is that military and football are for men. They’re “typical man things” and Walz is showing that a man doing manly things doesn’t have to be an asshole.

But that still assumes there are manly things, that armed service and football are manly. Subtext.

SteveFromMySpace ,

That’s a parallel but distinct discussion and I agree that these things fall under very gendered assumptions.

Telodzrum ,

It doesn’t assume that they are “typically manly” it observes that they are traditionally considered manly. A statement over which there isn’t an argument to be had.

queermunist ,
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It presents traditionally manly things as a “vision of what manhood can look like” as if it’s revolutionary. It’s trite.

Telodzrum ,

Quite the opposite, it’s a strong and brave position to take when the most visible champions of “manhood” are people who view it as a synonym for mean and dominant— see the current GOP ticket.

People like Gov. Walz stand in distinct and deliberate contrast to this. It’s not trite at all it’s earnest and inviting.

queermunist ,
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And yet I still think Pete Buttigieg would not get to be a vision of manhood if he were the Vice candidate.

Telodzrum ,

He absolutely would, strong mayor who grew up in the Midwest doing the same sort of stuff Walz did. Pete has a very impressive military career and is a proud father and husband. He’s not a football coach, but has often talked about his love of the game (hard not to love it when you’re the mayor of South Bend). And he’s downright vicious in his “Midwest nice” approach to media hits. Dude’s an amazing picture of all that masculinity can be.

Zink ,

It’s trite to decent people of the world, sure. But for maga types who associate traditionally manly things with asshole behavior, aggression, anger, bigotry, being emotionally distant, and ignoring one’s own flaws rather than working on them? They could learn a thing or two if they actually paid attention.

flicker ,

Lacking originality is exactly what one might argue “traditional” means.

blackbelt352 ,

While more progressive people have recognized the pointlessness of gendering military service and playing football, conservatives haven’t and its something we can use to our advantage. Like the entire calling them weird thing. It’s literally the kind of insult a 5 year old would come up with but they’re absolutely blowing gaskets over it and it’s hilarious.

Know your enemy and you’ll win every time.

tortina_original ,

You are missing the point.

That’s what MAGA assumes.

And Walz is there to prove their assumptions wrong.

I can also tell you that most military personnel I met in my life were not ‘manly’ people in any way. Just normal and decent people.

It’s MAGA mongoloids that link military to manhood. Or guns. Or football. Or beer.

Edit: and what is really amusing to me is that zi am not American, nor life there, but I did get excited about Walz. Because he seems like a normal human being. Imagine how crazy the world is when we get excited about (apparently) a normal human being in politics.

VaalaVasaVarde ,

In this case Tim appeals to those with conservative views, and it could be that some men and women can be swayed.

The hard core magats probably see him as a wuss, because “men can only attack” or some crap like that.

dhork ,

You’re missing the point. He did those things and isn’t a complete and utter tool as a result. They aren’t his identity or opportunities to “be manly.” They were acts of service.

I think the most egregious examples of “toxic masculinity” are the men who think that since they’re so Alpha, the world owes them everything on their own terms. Like the President who us so upset that the hurricane went the other way that he has to “prove” he was right all along. Or the Senator who prefers to be called “Coach” because he likes to think of himself as the Big Man On Campus, and not 1 of 100 equals. Or even the incel living in his parents’ basement who is so bitter about not having a girlfriend because he can’t understand that girls are humans too and don’t exist just to please him.

Walz is refreshing because it’s clear that he went into Politics to make a difference, not to make a profit. We’ve been conditioned to think all politicians are greedy assholes, probably by the politicians who prefer it that way because it lets them get away with shit. Then this guy comes along, with genuine integrity, and it threatens to collapse it all.

Republicans have built a political movement out of the belief that all government is bloated and ineffectual. If Democrats start electing people who can show that Government can be a net benefit to ordinary people, it kills 50+ years of Republican messaging.

SteveFromMySpace ,

Well said

snooggums ,
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Can’t finish a single sentence?

N0body ,

Even down to a caveman level, the role of a strong man was to be the protector of the tribe/family. Using your strength to protect others is what makes a strong man.

Inflicting your insecurities on others and feeding your ego by attacking vulnerable people are the actions of a bully, not a strong man.

JimmyBigSausage ,

Said so well!!

Huschke ,

Coincidently the latter are the traits of a strongman though. So remember kids, be a strong man not a strongman.

Quill7513 ,

Its also proof to the dipshits we don’t hate masculinity. We hate toxic masculinity. In fact, we find Tim Walz brand of masculinity refreshing and delightful

thefartographer ,

I like my men like I like my coffee: refreshing, delightful, and able to provide a sick burn

cheese_greater ,

On and off-carpet

Drunemeton ,
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So Fresh and Hot!? Gotchu…

superminerJG ,

drops mic, leaves room

peopleproblems ,

This right here.

Being a man isn’t about strength, or appearance, or body count, or power over others.

It’s about accountability, honesty, resilience (NOT bottling everything down), and meaningful effort.

Yeah it might not be the most physically attractive all the time, but I see my purpose in life to make sure we all have better so that we can all do better.

Walz joining the VP has really given me a new sense of courage I’ve been lacking lately, and I’m really happy to see others recognizing it to.

qjkxbmwvz ,

As much as I think a “would you like to have a beer with the candidates?” is a stupid way of measuring things…I wouldn’t mind having a beer with these candidates.

Quill7513 ,

Especially because Trump and Vance would roofie your beer

nucleative ,

Then leave you with the bill

SteveFromMySpace ,

Then tell everyone you didn’t show up and they don’t even drink beer.

thefartographer ,

“I don’t even know beer”

Brett Cavanaugh tears intensify

Thebeardedsinglemalt , (edited )

They’d show up late, drink too much too fast, try to order off your tab, ramble about bullshit conspiracy theories and talk over you at every opportunity, act like a sleeze to the waitress and get too handsy. Then they’d want to play pool but refuses to rack, blames the cue or someone in their field of view for their bad shots but does anything to try and distract you, hits the ball off the table multiple times but tries to get constant do-overs, claims every time you hit it’s a scratch and quote obscure rules, at least once they try to sneak one of their balls in the pocket when it’s your turn, when they lose they just toss their cue onto the pool table or lean it against instead of putting it away, and spends the next 45 minutes constantly saying how they should have won…

tryagain ,

I need to hear more about this date.

Drunemeton ,
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That was oddly specific wasn’t it!? 😂

skuzz ,

Hey now, let’s be honest. Vance would roofie the bar stool.

andallthat ,

and Trump would just… “your beer? Haven’t seen it. There’s just MY two glasses of beer here. A great beer, the greatest. My uncle invented beer, Fred Budweiser Trump. Great IQ, very good genes!”

0ops ,

It’s basically a type of couch

nondescripthandle ,

He’s probably slip it some stool softener too.

Mossheart ,

Isn’t a stool softener just a cushion? Sounds like this stool is becoming more and more like a couch…

dhork ,

Walz says he has given up alcohol entirely after his DUI years ago. But I bet Harris is super fun once she gets into the box of wine in the fridge.

thefartographer ,

Harris seems like she enjoys a reasonably priced bottle of wine that delivers on flavor and novelty. Waltz seems like he’s sipped some of the world’s most expensive wines but buys boxed wine to prove that you can party on a budget.

nondescripthandle ,

It’s not that stupid of a lens to use to evaluate candidates. But it is absolutely overused and overvalued. Sure it’s a good thing knowing you can relate enough to sit down and be comfortable but it doesn’t really tells us too much on it’s own, and depends a lot on who says it; for example a fascist voter would probably love to site down with a fascist politician.

xc2215x ,

Tim has been a great choice.

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