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phoenixz ,

Its amazing to see how fast and far the democratic party managed an absolute loss around into a nearly absolute win. Same for Trump and co conspirators, about a mo th ago they were on for an absolute win and now he’s continuously cutting the tree branch he’s sitting on…

Just do not be mistaken though. I fully expect Harris to win with a land slide but that matters not. Various states WILL sabotage the election z refuse to respect the democratic votes from the people, and just send Republicans as winners for that state. Trump too will try another coup, and I think it’s not unfair to expect that coup to be bigger and more violent than the January 6 coup. Come to think of it, it’s insane that trump still hasn’t been convicted for that one.

Voroxpete ,

Vote like your life depends on it. When you’ve solved that problem, then you get to dealing with Donnie’s second go at an attempted coup. One thing at a time.

“You solve the first problem. Then you solve the next. And the next. And if you solve enough problems then you get to go home.” - Mark Watney.

phoenixz ,

Absolutely

kent_eh ,

Trump too will try another coup, and I think it’s not unfair to expect that coup

Of course he will try.

One of the differences this time is that he doesn’t have the power to delay the deployment of defensive resources.

And nobody is dismissing it as impotent bluster this time.

Buddahriffic ,

The problem is how do you handle house representatives that refuse to do their job in good faith? The rules say that the president is determined a certain way, what do you do when those rules are used to defy the will of the people? They’ve already caused presidents who have lost the popular vote.

The defensive resources will come into play after that question is answered and it’s impossible at this point to tell which side will benefit from them.

I just hope that there aren’t many people that oppose Trump on principle but ultimately think that if the rules say “hand over the country to the fascists”, that’s the right thing to do.

phoenixz ,

Yeah but what he does have now is a shit loaf of people who now have the jobs of the people who stopped falsifying election results on the state level last time. Most of then either moved on or relented under the pressure of threats. John Oliver had a nice piece about it some two years back

SwingingTheLamp ,

It’s gratifying to see President Biden quoted in an interview saying that he doesn’t think that The Biggest Loser will concede peacefully. It may be his job to order a former President detained for national security reasons, probably at Guantanamo Bay, so he’s inaccessible to the insurgent mob trying to free him.

phoenixz ,

He lay claim he went to complain about harros hit we all know how nice those couches are on that plane…

corsicanguppy ,

Dude. Get that concussion checked.

phoenixz ,

Yeah, auto correct on phone can suck at times

AFKBRBChocolate ,

Here’s an AP source if you prefer not to click the daily beast.

Drunemeton ,
@Drunemeton@lemmy.world avatar

🙏

Veedem ,
@Veedem@lemmy.world avatar

Much better source without a bullshit headline. Thank you.

norimee ,

“I just wanted to check out my future plane… I also wanted to go say hello to the vice president and ask her why she refuse to answer questions from the media,” Vance said, jabbing at Harris.

W E I R D GUY

AbouBenAdhem ,

Vance, continuing his jocular jabbing, said he’d be more than willing to debate Harris on Aug. 13 “if she’d like to do a debate with me.” That was a matchup scheduled before Biden stepped down, meaning it would have put Vance and Harris on the same stage as vice presidential rivals.

Actually, I think it would be good to change the standard routine of having the VP candidates debate each other, to having them debate the opposing presidential candidates. Then we’d get to see the top-ticket candidates debate two opponents each, instead of just each other.

Hellinabucket ,

She should challenge him to show up in September to NBC

iheartneopets ,

They should set up debate podiums at all these places he’s following her and have her stand there, ready to debate. Then we can watch him turn as chicken shit as Trump and refuse.

CileTheSane ,
@CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

The first question she should ask him would be "why am I debating you and not mister “any time, any place”?

protist , (edited )

It’s not unheard of during a general election campaign for opposing candidates to cross paths as they travel, especially given the compressed map that limits much of the campaign activity to a relative few states that will determine the Electoral College winner.

But also, what exactly is the AP doing here? The Trump campaign purposefully scheduled JD Vance to follow Harris to all these places after she released her schedule. They’re not just “crossing paths as they travel,” he’s literally following her

PS What is Trump even doing this week? Is Vance campaigning alone now?

Transporter_Room_3 ,
@Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website avatar

If you’re poor, or non-white, they call that “stalking”

nilloc ,

The creeps are fucking creepy.

Freefall ,

That poor guy…why schedule the scrub newbie to go on stage after the major blowout headliner? Must be Vance’s punishment for sucking. Gonna be fun when Kamala starts posting up the comparison of each event he follows to hers. HAHAHAHA

and yeah, I get trump’s “strategy”, but he is using checkers in a chess game and expecting the same plays to work.

Uncreative, boring, poorly thought out. Weird ancient strats in a modern battlefield. Weak.

Moah ,
@Moah@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

So many couches and so little time

davidagain ,

It’s not so much a strategy as being unable to keep up with Kamala physically or in crowd sizes.

davidagain ,

Trump is too old to keep up with Kamala’s schedule. And he hates the photos of the same venue really full for Kamala and half full for him, so he’s avoiding the comparison like he’s avoiding the debate. He hates being seen to lose. He’s the world’s sorest loser.

brbposting ,

Vance, continuing his jocular jabbing

Is that some new type of sectional I’ve never heard of?

TexasDrunk ,

You keep him the hell away from my new Ashley Jocular.

Librarian ,

Thanks.

While the daily beast is a fun read, it’s hard to make out where they exaggerate and dramatify things

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Missed a golden opportunity to close the door and have the pilot fly them all to some backwater airport in Alaska, then see if they can find their own way back home.

qarbone ,

Is that…trafficking?

DokPsy ,

Apparently not if Republican officials do it. See: Abbott and the migrants he sent to Martha’s vineyard.

Crikeste ,

Nope! America ships immigrants all around the country just to fuck with them and nobody bats an eye.

Homeless people too!

Land of the free, home of the brave, baby. 😎🇺🇸🦅

HiddenLychee ,

Funded by conservatives and tax dollars too! They pick up illegal immigrants at the border and give them free plane tickets to large cities, then complain about how illegal immigrants are getting free rides into the country.

Sculptor9157 ,

They will easily be able to navigate based off of the Russian landmarks visible on the horizon.

cynthorpe ,

Misleading headline @jeffw, try to use better sources than the daily beast.

No one here is in danger of slipping to the right-wing. 🙄

jeffw OP ,
@jeffw@lemmy.world avatar

What is inaccurate about the headline?

cynthorpe ,

Jd is a moron, but he didn’t storm anything. Get better sources. This was covered elsewhere.

octopus_ink ,

I’ve said it before I’ll say it again. Of all the Republican weirdness in recent years, I truly don’t understand why they seem to have made a conscious decision to become the biggest-asshole-in-the-room party.

4am ,

In recent years? brother they’ve been the “biggest asshole in the room” party since at least Nixon; they just have to keep outdoing themselves

octopus_ink ,

I mean yes, but this feels intentional.

xenoclast ,

They’re paying the price for all their education funding cuts.

Nixon was scummy and a little bit too evil… but he was well educated and wasn’t dumb

merc ,

It used to be that those guys were on the fringes of the party. Nixon was a crook, but he established the EPA and OSHA. That was just a normal thing for a Republican to do in the 1970s.

The GOP is a big tent party, and so they’ve always had room for the extreme right wing. These days, the tent is getting smaller, and unless you’re an out-and-out fascist you’re not really welcome. Unfortunately, half the country feels a stronger tie to that party than to their country, so they’re squeezing into that smaller tent.

Buddahriffic ,

It’s different though. Even W and his admin at least felt that they had to keep up a certain decorum. Trump said shit every day that Bush would have probably considered political suicide to even get caught saying in private, if a recording got out.

Nixon resigned when things were looking bad for him, Trump just doubles down. Like this entire campaign is pretty much him trying to get a crown because, for a while at least, it looked like that would be his only way of avoiding consequences for some of the shit he’s done. Though, to be fair, Nixon resigning might have been his way of avoiding the consequences because he knew he was getting a pardon. But even that shows a difference because Nixon never seriously considered just trying to pardon himself, at least not in public, while it was a big topic during Trump’s presidency.

Also Nixon resigned because he knew impeachment was a real possibility because even his own party wouldn’t risk their own political careers to protect a criminal president. With Trump, my pov is the rules need a complete overhaul because they can’t handle the level of bad faith present in the government now.

In hindsight, it was naive to rely on gentlemen’s rules to keep the government running smoothly, but those rules were at least followed in appearance until 2016 (though the conservatives did start using them in bad faith before that, like with Obama’s supreme court nomination).

4am ,

Oh yeah it’s different; I said as much. They have to keep upping the ante to remain edgy, in their cold white fascist way. Trump didn’t give a shit about the subtlety though, he was like “I can steal this all away from these weak assholes and all I have to do is give the crowd what they really want”

Now we have a narcissist whose ego has been stroked by what he perceives to be the whole world. Very dangerous with all the secrets and codes, let alone everything else.

OhStopYellingAtMe ,
@OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world avatar

Because it works. Acting like a childish bully still gets the adoration from the “peaked in high school” MAGA voter base.

girthero ,

peaked in high school

Seriously an all too common overlap on the venn diagram. I might also add receiving public assistance. Yet they vote for the party trying to limit or stop that assistance 🤦‍♂️

Cheems ,
@Cheems@lemmy.world avatar

They represent people that are also actively trying to be the biggest assholes in the room

Dead_or_Alive ,

“Of all the Republican weirdness in recent years, I truly don’t understand why they seem to have made a conscious decision to become the biggest-asshole-in-the-room party.”

Recent? They’ve been doing this shtick since at least Newt Gingrich in the 90s.

octopus_ink , (edited )

The thing is, I was alive and an adult then, and I knew otherwise OK people who were single issue voters who therefore voted republican. I may have disagreed with them on a thing or three, but we could get along OK. It either wasn’t as pervasive, or somehow didn’t hit my sphere. (And I was living in the south at the time)

Now - everyone who I know is a republican is just a raging confrontational asshole.

Dead_or_Alive ,

I made the comment because Gingrich took confrontational politics and brought it to the National level. The era of Fox News and the 24hr news cycle was starting and he was the architect of the sensational hyper partisan angry Republicanism that we see today on right wing media. I don’t think Gingrich actually believed what he is pushing. He pushed it because it got the results he wanted.

Fast forward 30 years and now we have social media and the internet all vying for attention. Only the most extreme views that are controversial enough get noticed and commented on.

Some of the people I know who were Republicans have moderate enough views that they don’t feel the party is in step with them anymore. But I know Republicans who are true MAGA supporters and just parrot the grievances of their party. They all seem to emulate that anger

Zink ,

Trump showed them that giving in to your base desires and letting your asshole flag fly gets you great success and makes you a good person. In their eyes anyway. Unfortunately.

whoisearth ,
@whoisearth@lemmy.ca avatar

Speaking as another older adult in Canada and witnessing the slide in both countries my controversial opinion is it’s not about politics at all. Politics are simply a symptom of an underlying problem with the society we have built.

What you’re seeing is classic behaviour of when a person is unheard, stressed and angry. It is scientifically proven when you experience those struggles you are less likely to think clearly and what options you have become limited. You start looking at every problem like a nail and you’re a hammer.

Individually we all deal with adversity different and I’d argue one party is heavily weighed with those who struggle with dealing with the adversity meanwhile since the 60’s governments have been doing nothing to improve life and lessen the adversity people deal with.

Then you have all those people struggling… And you throw in predators taking advantage of them, feeding into their struggles and weaponizing them.

At some point we all need to acknowledge we can’t fix this overnight and these people for the most part aren’t crazy. They’re you just a few medical bills behind or a few months laid off from your job. Hurt people hurt people.

Buddahriffic ,

It just sucks that they are too stupid to see who is actually making their lives shit.

whoisearth ,
@whoisearth@lemmy.ca avatar

And that’s where I disagree. I don’t think they’re stupid. I think they aren’t coping and because of all the stress and hatred in them it’s affecting their ability to think critically. People are not dumb. Decades of stress around food, job, health, etc security have negatively impacted people’s ability to make adult decisions.

octopus_ink , (edited )

That’s a very compassionate view, and one I should try to incorporate into my own views on the matter. However, I want to be very clear about one thing:

I’d argue one party is heavily weighed with those who struggle with dealing with the adversity meanwhile since the 60’s governments have been doing nothing to improve life and lessen the adversity people deal with.

People in both parties are suffering. Many in both parties. This behavior comes from the party who insists that they are the only ones struggling, and is directed against the party that proposes solutions that would help everyone. I realize that sounds very one sided, and there absolutely are assholes on “both sides”, but only one party claims to have a monopoly on suffering and/or the only valid suffering, only one party is trying to interfere in the medical decisions and sexuality of people not like them, only one party is banning books, and only that party obstructs all attempts to improve the lot of everyone. Democrats are NOT PERFECT by far, but they are either trying, or doing a credible job of appearing to try. R does nothing but blame, obstruct, and ostracize.

Nonetheless, it’s become too easy to vilify these people (what with the constant examples of their asshattery) and that is something unhealthy that I should probably try to get a handle on, so I appreciate your viewpoint even if I think you are making some assumptions that don’t quite mesh with what I see around me.

This should be class “warfare” not D vs R, but it never will be while R focuses on attacking LGBTQ, women’s rights, etc.

whoisearth ,
@whoisearth@lemmy.ca avatar

I may not have been fully clear. You are right people in both parties are struggling. My argument is those more rational people are better positioned to handle adversity so they’re still using all their options when drawing their political decisions.

That said, it may sound compassionate but I don’t necessarily practice what I preached there all the time. I think the people with “Fuck Trudeau” stickers are fucking morons.

octopus_ink ,

Thanks for the clarification, and I regret that I typify the US stereotype at least in so far as I don’t know enough about your political spectrum to have any opinion at all, though I’m aware you’ve got your version of Trumpers (and - actual Trumpers? I’ve heard once or twice?) up there as well.

Seasoned_Greetings ,

It’s the natural conclusion of the strategy republicans set into motion to manipulate their base.

It started just after Watergate. Nixon was facing massive calls for justice from both sides. Republican think tanks realized that their base of conservatives consumed news from all sources that informed their mostly unbiased decision to hold their guy accountable. So those republican think tanks devised a plan to create a conservative news outlet that explicitly demonized other news so that the conservative base would never turn on one of their own again. That strategy was realized in the 90’s with the creation of Fox News.

Since then, conservative media has been slowly transforming politics from the perspective of the average conservative into a team sport, where the main motivation isn’t “who runs the country better” but rather “my team is better than yours”.

It wasn’t so pervasive 20 years ago, but conservative media has found themselves with a base that now only responds to the outrage they’ve been conditioning them with, and that has created the raging confrontational assholes you see today.

Being a conservative doesn’t mean what it used to. And that’s because the Republican leadership robbed conservatives of that in order to maintain control of their base.

TwinkleToes ,
@TwinkleToes@lemmy.ca avatar

Trained eye liner wearing monkey follows orders with absurd publicity stunts, showing exactly what sort of performative clown show you’d get if they’re elected, instead of actual policies and governance.

Riccosuave ,
@Riccosuave@lemmy.world avatar

Vance told a Philadelphia rally on Tuesday that he would “absolutely” want to debate Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz, if given the chance.

I hope you bring some lube because you’re gonna need it.

Zahille7 ,

I expect Walz to just be like: https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/563db8f6-56f6-4dc6-9e73-4267e138ee6c.jpeg

InternetUser2012 ,

He’s lying. He didn’t go on that plane to see her. The weirdo was going to take a look to see if her plane had any couches. He was feeling a little frisky.

ICastFist ,
@ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

He really wanted a seat in the Mile High club

Kimano ,

JD Vance is the only guy who can join the mile high club without leaving his seat.

pyre ,

“dont mind us, we’re just being totally normal over here”

FerroMeow ,
@FerroMeow@lemmy.world avatar

Weirdcore

ChowJeeBai ,

How do the secret service decide who to put to the ground if it had become tense? By rank?

DragonTypeWyvern ,

They definitely have a color chart, they’re cops too.

Somethingcheezie ,

Pretty sure sitting VP out ranks all but sitting president

OldWoodFrame ,

Whoever is being aggressive. If it’s just words they do nothing, if someone tries something physical they are stopped.

AlpacaChariot ,

This plane needs a “No couches are left unattended in this vehicle” sticker.

corsicanguppy ,

So the party with a history of inciting vigilante violence storms a VPs airplane and isn’t shot dead by secret service.

Is there an issue with the secret service actually doing their job, or do they just give Republicans a pass?

awesome_lowlander ,

Why would the secret service be guarding an empty plane?

Microw ,

To prevent things like bombs being planted?

Cypher ,

TBF its the same SS that thought a shooter on a rooftop overlooking a candidate was no issue

DragonTypeWyvern ,

I mean, I’d have slacked off too

awesome_lowlander ,

Isn’t that what regular security is for?

skvlp ,

Secret Service is regular security for a vice president.

awesome_lowlander ,

I suppose as a non American my idea of what the secret service actually is / does may be a little skewed by Hollywood

captainlezbian ,

It’s basically government security for the president and vice president as well as all former ones because we have a long history of shooting our presidents. They also investigate counterfeiting which was their original job, they just happened to be formed shortly before the first successful presidential assassination

wanderer ,

The secret service exists to prevent counterfeiting US money, as a side job they also protect a few people in government.

n0m4n ,

Vance is bombing big time.

kent_eh ,

To prevent weirdos from wandering in and jerking off on the furniture?

Draedron ,

To prevent JD from fucking any couches in there?

_bcron ,

They probably view Vance less as a threat and more as an awkward and socially oblivious guy

Buddahriffic ,

If they were tasked with protecting a furniture outlet, on the other hand…

match ,
@match@pawb.social avatar

as a vp candidate from a major party, vance also gets secret service protection

ReCursing ,

So… secret service vs secret service shootout? Maybe it happened and it was so secret no-one knows about it!

HonkTonkWoman ,

My dad knows a guy who got shot. Totally. He works with him over at that place where the cheese is made. I mean beer. They make all the beer together and they’re good friends and I know him too. My dad can beat up your dad.

todd_bonzalez ,
@todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee avatar

J.D. Vance is a U.S. Senator. The Secret Service killing him would be the opposite of doing their job…

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

What if they thought they smelled fentanyl or heard an acorn drop?

frezik ,

If they thought they smelled fentanyl, they would have a seizure and pass out. Fentanyl doesn’t affect cops the way it affects human beings.

Somethingcheezie ,

Killing and barring entrance are very different. Security clearances and need are big factors

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

So the party with a history of inciting vigilante violence storms a VPs airplane and isn’t shot dead by secret service.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/a4721a96-9b29-4f54-a591-a5b8c356b6a9.jpeg

Snapz ,

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/29b6ac1a-3ca0-45f4-8542-6b2761a12f0d.png

Zink ,

I still can’t believe Walz slipped the couch reference in there at the announcement. It felt so amazing to have one of those “I can’t believe this is real life politics” moments but in a good/fun way. Greatest VP pick of all time!

Snapz ,

When they go low, we go and point out the fact that they probably fucked a couch.

Also, unfortunately the fact that they want raped children to carry the resulting baby to term. And then assure that nobody in that conversation, besides them, has health insurance.

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