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confusedbytheBasics ,

He’s my top choice for VP as well. :)

TexasDrunk ,

I want to watch the “support the troops” folks shit on a vet and an astronaut. That wouldn’t play well with the traditionally red voting military.

The dude is a national goddamn hero. I get the reasons not to choose him, but I like him for it.

confusedbytheBasics ,

I donated to Harris and Kelly. Hoping you get to see that. The awful feeling when some of the older vets I know stood up for Trump after he tried to make fun of McCain for being a prisoner of war. Ick

Ghyste ,

I honestly wish that Kelly was up for president, but vp is nice too.

catloaf ,

Well, he would still be second in line. This would be closer than he had been. And if Kamala wins, it’ll be quite a few VPs to Presidents.

teft ,
@teft@lemmy.world avatar

Fuck yeah. I hope it’s him and Kamala. Harris Kelly 2024.

someguy3 , (edited )

Guy is 60. I’m becoming a fan of Beshear.

*Sigh. I’m saying pick the person who can run and win in 8 years.

andrewta ,

Sixty isn’t old. He’s old enough to have experience.

someguy3 ,

I’m thinking get the person who can run and win in 8 years.

cygnus ,
@cygnus@lemmy.ca avatar

I’m thinking get the person who can run and win in 8 years.

I think at this point it’s more important to pick the candidate that increases the chances of victory. Trump won’t be in any shape to run (or likely even alive) in 2028 and hopefully MAGA will have died along with him.

Nollij ,

Maga will not die with Trump. Instead it will splinter, and become a lot more chaotic. Even moreso if that happens at a time of strength for the movement.

girlfreddy ,
@girlfreddy@lemmy.ca avatar

Yup. MAGA is just the Tea Party’s child that’s come of age.

Whatever offspring MAGA presents to America will be even worse.

HakFoo ,

I expect the shattering will wound the movement. With Trump, they have a consensus leader and model. Everyone else will fight each other to fill the vacuum.

Zorsith ,
@Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

It’s 5 years under the typical retirement age, I would absolutely consider that “old”.

Hylactor ,

Maybe that should be retirement age. Young people of today will be lucky to retire at all.

PythagreousTitties ,

65 is retiring early.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

When you can’t even be elected president until you’re 35, I don’t think 60 is a terrible age.

xmunk ,

Sixty is old. Let’s stop normalizing boomer politicians.

Hobbes_Dent ,

That’s ageist bullshit. Seriously. 60.

Zaktor ,

If he were shooting to be president from 60-68, sure, great. But teeing up a run from the VP slot means he’s looking at 68-76. That’s starting the most important job in the world past retirement age.

If he were some genius lawmaker with big new ideas, maybe you excuse that because they’re uniquely valuable, but nothing seems like he’s a big ideas man. You don’t need to push limits just to preserve the status quo.

tal ,
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

VP doesn’t have to be about setting up a Presidential run. Harris was VP, but lots of Presidents weren’t a VP. Can just be aimed at shoring up the current ticket.

Zaktor ,

Cheney is the only VP in recent times that served with a 2-term president and didn’t go on to get the nomination and run for president. Biden was supposedly selected because Obama didn’t think he had a run in him so he’d be dedicated to the administration, but ended up running anyway.

aStonedSanta ,

It’s not ageist. 60 is old for an agile brain imo.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Cognitive decline can begin as early as age 45. The youngest you can be to be elected president is 35. Should we only have a 10-year window in which people should run?

bmj.com/…/cognitive-decline-can-begin-early-age-4…

aStonedSanta ,

65 is oldest you can run. Second term only if ran again. So oldest would be 69-73. I’d prefer that tbh.

FlexibleToast ,

I would agree with that. Commercial pilots are forced to retire at 65, why not politicians and judges?

Hobbes_Dent ,

Can’t wait to see what you guys do with your politicians who treat entire populations the same. Some more.

xmunk ,

Sixty year olds are usually sharp and deeply knowledgeable. I think we should demand better for literally the most powerful person in the world though and in this case I’m less pissed off at sixty year olds in general and more specifically pissed off that we’re in a death grip of neoliberalism and politicians that aren’t planning for the long term.

America has no attention span - it is generally making decisions for today that are driven by people who won’t see the full consequences of their decisions… we need more people who actually give a shit about what the world will look like in twenty or forty years. And to be perfectly fair, some of our eldest politicians really fucking do care and I’d include Biden in those ranks… but we seriously need to change course.

TransplantedSconie , (edited )

Kamala is 59.

This guy:

Is a decorated vet

Is an astronaut

Is in a state that is a must win and makes it easier to win.

He checks a ton of boxes.

He also grows a bad ass mustache.

Yawweee877h444 ,

He directly opposes Medicare for all. Opposes the green new deal. Supported expanding oil drilling.

I’m just sayin’ if you’re gonna list positives it’s only fair to list accurate negatives too.

I will argue time and time again, opposing Medicare for all is NOT a moderate position, it’s a right leaning position.

Maggoty ,

It wasn’t expanded as most people understand it. It was supporting a round of permit auctions in the already drilling Gulf of Mexico.

agamemnonymous ,
@agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works avatar

He still supports a public option, he just opposes M4A because it would end existing employer-provided healthcare. Not everyone who opposes M4A is right-leaning, sometimes they just don’t think that this particular model is better than other public option models.

The Green New Deal faces lots of opposition from those who agree with the sentiment, citing it as misdirected, expensive, or overly ambitious. He does generally support the move to renewables.

Additionally, he supports expanded drilling, in parallel with a move to renewables, to reduce our oil imports. We can’t just snap our fingers and transition to 100% renewables overnight. It will be a gradual process, and reducing our dependency of oil imports is very possibly a pragmatic step in that process.

Policies are rarely black and white. It would appear most of his positions which seem, superficially, to be negatives are held for relatively nuanced reasons. We could do worse.

cybervseas ,

I know it’s not about identity politics, but lady prez and spaceman veep? Yes please!

gAlienLifeform ,
@gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world avatar

Nah, we shouldn’t be rewarding anyone who worked with Joe Manchin to attack the environment - web.archive.org/…/manchin-kelly-urge-biden-to-ope…

Out of all the likely names I’ve seen, NC governor Roy Cooper seems like the strongest

Maggoty ,

Yeah that’s not the attack on the environment you say it is. He was looking for a mid term patch on supply chain greedflation and the crimp from banning Russian oil. Long term he’s all in on wind and solar. He’s been very open about this. Painting him as someone like Manchin who’s heavily financially invested in fossil fuels is just disingenuous.

kinkles ,
@kinkles@sh.itjust.works avatar

Source: a gambling website aggregator lol

Still, according to electionbettingodds.com, which averages online betting sites, Kelly has a 34.9 percent chance of being the presumptive nominee’s vice-presidential pick.

Also according to that site, Kamala Harris has 0.8% odds to be Kamala Harris’s VP, slightly edging out Gavin Newsome.

BuddyTheBeefalo ,

They predict trump’s chances to win the election to be 59.7%, harris is at 37%.

electionbettingodds.com

ReallyActuallyFrankenstein ,

That honestly sounds right for right now. Harris has momentum but Trump is still leading in polls. I think it reflects the uncertainty of whether Harris will be able to capitalize on being the only candidate that doesn’t wear diapers and has a properly functioning brain.

JimmyMcGill ,

Don’t forget that Harris still hasn’t been officially nominated. There’s some % being left out there

cygnus ,
@cygnus@lemmy.ca avatar

Also according to that site, Kamala Harris has 0.8% odds to be Kamala Harris’s VP

https://lemmy.ca/pictrs/image/4c6d4e55-12a4-4a01-ae9a-4157273bc2ba.jpeg

PythagreousTitties ,

I’m surprised Trump hasn’t thought of that and gone solo

dogsnest ,
@dogsnest@lemmy.world avatar

I’m thankful he thinks lemmy is a character on King of the Southpark, or some show like that, or he might get ideas.

lone_faerie ,

You think he gets ideas?

PythagreousTitties ,

He’s like mister burns with the attention span of homer.

hogmomma ,

Reminds me of the episode of The Office where Jim tricks Dwight into being his own assistant.

bandwidthcrisis ,

www.nasa.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/…/twins.png

FaceDeer ,
@FaceDeer@fedia.io avatar

It's very hard for an established prediction market to go all the way to either 0% or 100%. There'll always be someone who bought in earlier on the losing side and isn't bothering to cash out for the handful of pennies they might be able to theoretically get back now because it there's nobody who's actually buying.

cheese_greater ,

She’s the only right-hand man she can trust

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

slightly edging out Gavin Newsome.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/53bc9eb3-9064-4103-9ff1-02153e14b809.png

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