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Clarence Thomas takes aim at a new target: Eliminating OSHA

Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas has set his sights on eliminating the Occupational Safety and Health Administration.

The Supreme Court on Tuesday announced which cases it would consider next and which it wouldn’t. Among those the court rejected was a case that challenged the authority of OSHA, which sets and enforces standards for health and safety in the workplace.

And Thomas, widely considered to be the most conservative justice on the already mostly conservative court, wasn’t happy.

In a dissent, he explained why he believed the high court should’ve taken the case: OSHA’s power, he argues, is unconstitutional.

Buddahriffic ,

Judges shouldn’t have agendas, just dockets.

uis ,

I hope Putin will be sent to Hauge(or die) BEFORE USA spontaniously combusts. Then Russia can do russian reversal on american brain drain.

Until then, consider EU.

Krauerking ,

Oh great. An old man who simply is getting rid of protections for average people because all he hears is how it hurts the profit margins of his good friends the uber wealthy.

We really are just heading to a split society of no class mobility and no real consideration of the poor from the rich.

And yet they wonder why the country is collapsing and people don’t really want to have kids anymore.

TrueStoryBob ,

One would think that that an elderly judge would appreciate hand rail regulations.

ArtVandelay ,
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This is how we’ll get the next Bhopal or Hawks Nest Tunnel disaster

Snowpix ,
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Take a look at any of the CSB’s post-accident summary and recommendation videos and you’ll see why OSHA is so important. These regulations are written in blood.

Cosmicomical ,

They won’t stop. By 2025 they will reinstate the crime of heresy. Mark my words.

MilitantAtheist ,

I believe you

phoenixz ,

is unconstitutional

At this point I’m seeing a pattern. Any time someone good has to be removed so that pure evil shit can take it’s place, the argument almost always includes at least “is unconstitutional”

Guys, GUYS! Your constitution… Sucks. Same as your founding fathers. The US constitution is a document that was cool a few hundred years ago, but it is heavily outdated and at this point an actual new one really wouldn’t be a bad idea. Yeah yeah, the original document doesn’t suck, at least not in historic context, and definitely should be kept in a museum but stop effin quoting the damn thing as it it were Gods personao commandments. Get a new constitution for the 21st century.

Your founding fathers were okay, of course, but stop treating them as if they were infallible gods. They weren’t. Im sure that for their time they were super smart and their ideas revolutionary, but that was centuries ago and a lot of their ideas no longer fly.

The right to bear arms (insert joke about bear arms) was written when an arm was a musket, that would take (a) minute(s) to load a single bullet that then could barely hit a target and had the penetration power of my penis. Now we have AR15’s for children who can murder double digits other children through multiple walls within double digit seconds and basically half the country thinks this is perfectly fine and quotes that two hundred year old line as the infallible reason why.

It’s okay. Your constitution WAS great hundreds of years ago and yeah, your founding fathers WERE awesome. They both live two hundred years away from the situation we face today. The world changed. The US changed. Science changed. Everything changed and got updated. Your constitution got a few updates but at this point could use a rewrite. You know, something healthy to start over fresh.

DudeImMacGyver ,
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Rewriting the constitution is part of their plan but I very much doubt the changes they want to make are good for anyone but them.

afraid_of_zombies ,

Ok your rant over? Good. If it was rewritten today it would be civilization ending levels of disaster. And you know what? OSHA is constitutional.

AdrianTheFrog ,
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Tons of the reasons given for why congress can do things don’t really make sense, like civil rights amendments were defended with the reasoning that congress can regulate interstate commerce, and segregation affects interstate commerce. IMO that doesn’t make sense, but everyone goes along with it because these regulations are obviously good. If we had a good constitution, we wouldn’t need to make these weird excuses to do things that are clearly necessary for the public wellbeing, but unfortunately we don’t, so we have to make do and have any decision we make be randomly struck down by the courts when they decide they don’t like it anymore.

TurtleJoe ,
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I mean, the big philosophical divide between liberal and conservative judges is usually whether or not the constitution is a “living” document. That is, whether it can be interpreted through a modern lens, or if laws must be strictly limited by what is exactly written in the document.

I would argue that it’s easily the former, since, one, they explicitly allow amendments to the Constitution, and, two, there is a session of the Bill of Rights where they basically say, “we can’t possibly list all the rights that people are entitled to. This list is by no means comprehensive, and just because something isn’t in here, it doesn’t mean we’ve left it out on purpose.”

I agree that the constitution is very flawed, and that we would probably be better off without it, but one thing they were very clear on: no kings. The Trump immunity ruling was not only legal nonsense, it was clearly not an originalist interpretation (what the conservatives claim to be.)

When you take into account all of the rulings that this current court has made, it’s quite clear that they just start with the conclusion that they want, and reason backwards to get the justification. Once you’re at that point, I’m not sure that it really matters what your legal system is based on; they’re just doing make-em-ups anyway.

obviouspornalt ,

The conservatives agree with you and want to call for a new constitutional convention so that they have an opportunity to work in the project 2025 agenda directly into a new draft of the Constitution.

An important part of controlling state legislatures is to be able to get enough states to first call for the constitutional convention and then to control it. That’s the most effective route to ensuring that the white, Christian, business first agenda is permanently enforced

Clinicallydepressedpoochie , (edited )

Working in the chemical industry, this statement is horrifying.

Take a look for yourself:

m.youtube.com/user/USCSB

A fucking judge who sits on his ass all day, “interpreting” the constitution like he’s some fucking oracle, wouldn’t even begin to understand.

t_chalco ,

I had no idea of this entity, but I work with enough similarly, highly nuanced public professionals that I recognize that the rapid and blind “immediately destroy all gubberment” approach will have widespread oh-holy-fuck consequenes if not just for the extensive brain vacuum potentially left in the wake of this type of growing mentality. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and perspective.

Silentiea ,
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I mean, do we not remember when companies were literally locking employees into buildings as they come down in a raging inferno?

More than once?

TachyonTele ,

I did Asbestos removal for awhile years ago. I cannot imagine not having OSHA. The amount of crap companies get away with with OSHA around is already absurd.

Jiggle_Physics ,

I wanted to post this channel for a long list of reason, broken down in a forensic manner, as to why this is a bad idea, glad others were here, and thinking the same.

Natanael ,

If they believe congress shouldn’t have the authority to delegate authority so broad then the way fix isn’t to eliminate the delegation but to require that congress reviews the regulatory agencies to see if they’re acting as according to their intent (yes there’s risk of abuse for this too, like endless micromanaging, etc, this is just to defuse the constitutionality argument)

Just read a bunch of audit results and discuss relevant court cases involving the varies agencies in front of congress and let them rubberstamp it

cabron_offsets ,

Anyone notice that the prez can have this guy killed with no consequences?

swordgeek ,

Ah, but presidential immunity is conferred at the discretion of the SCOTUS.

Seriously, they made themselves keepers of the power.

Silentiea ,
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So he has to kill enough of them at once?

cybermass ,

If he loses the election and doesn’t use this new power to kill trump and all his lackies then I guess his presidency wasn’t for “the preservation of this democracy”

Natanael ,

That might set off an actual civil war…

masterofn001 ,

Civil war or the purge.

Take your pick.

Track_Shovel ,

Just trying to bring it back to the good old days when children yearned for the mines, and men got blended up in industrial machinery.

Sweetpeaches69 ,

Speaking of good old days, I think we should bring slavery back, but only for Clarence.

1/2 /j

Snowpix ,
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I volunteer Thomas to run a lathe and see what happens when safety regulations aren’t enforced.

TachyonTele ,

A lathe would straighten him out, he wouldn’t be caught dead near one.

dellish ,

But hopefully he’ll be caught dead in one.

TachyonTele ,

I don’t agree with wishing death on anyone.

Years of horrible torture is a much worse experience for them.

mycathas9lives ,

Dang I can’t wait for one of these bad actors to just expire. There are a whole bunch of them close to their finish line and can go any day. Why not today? Instead we get to see things erased by the billionaire class as they by-pass the democratic process. That is the real sadness here. They don’t even care that we see what they are doing. They just do it. Fuck we are screwed. 3D basement printing might save America one day like it has other countries fighting for existence. Wow, what a time to be alive.

Asafum ,

Just remember guys, the supreme court isn’t corrupted by billionaires they just happen to only want to do things that benefit the ultra wealthy. The gifts from mega rich people to Thomas mean nothing.

ItS jUsT a cOiNcIdEnCe…

werefreeatlast ,

Yes. But I am puzzled why the Ultras asked the supremes to end abortion. If I was an Ultra, I would have legalized public sex and drugs and tent cities. How does preventing abortion help the Ultras? Anyway, that’s a piece of the puzzle that I can’t understand well yet.

Eliminating the EPA, OSHA, animal protections, all these things fall under the Ultra “I’m loving it” package.

todd_bonzalez ,

The billionaire to “devout Christian” pipeline isn’t really a secret.

nyctre ,

Most likely argument for ending abortion is that it raises natality which means more workers/consumers. And I’m guessing tying it to religious beliefs reinforces the religion as well, which most agree that it’s used to control the masses.

werefreeatlast ,

Ok! I smell the shit you’re stepping on. ( I just coined this phrase!)

A_Random_Idiot ,

Just your daily reminder that literally no one but die hard catholics gave a single fuck about abortions until, what would today be called the right wing, made it an issue after losing the fight on desegregation and the civil rights act.

It was just the next evolution of the southern strategy. Inflaming hatred against “non-traditional” women instead of blacks (though trust me, there was still plenty of inflaming hatred against blacks, to this day), which extended into hatred against non-traditional things in general, Which was great cause it oh so conveniently covered pretty much everything liberal.

nyctre ,

Oh, yeah, infighting is probably another good reason I had totally forgotten about. Give us something to fight over. You’re right.

ZombiFrancis ,

They wanted it banned. And they got it banned. They saw a chance to win, took it, and won. Simple as.

wizzor ,

Sex and drugs are already very easy to get if you are rich.

Population growth on the other hand is an almost mandatory cornerstone of capitalism. And abortions too, will remain legal for the rich.

samus12345 ,
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Besides serving the ultra wealthy, the corrupt Supremes also have a Fundamentalist Christian agenda that arose from when the GOP reached out to the religious right for votes. Ending abortion is of no benefit to the ultra wealthy.

Asafum ,

I think it’s that more people that shouldn’t have been born are born into positions that force them to accept absolutely horrible working conditions and depress wages by their accepting anything.

That an some of the ultra wealthy are extremely religious.

Krauerking ,

Well they have to believe they got their money for some reason and it’s easier to think it was a sky daddy than their actual daddy for some reason.

phoenixz ,

They eliminated abortion because the religious extremists wanted that.

The religious extremists are dumb as fuck as they learn and teach religion over science. That makes them useful gullible idiots that are easy to control. You want extremists behind you if you want to be a dictator as you can easily convince them with dumb obvious lies and they will be happy to have a scape goat group (it’s the evildemocrats fault!! Or the progressives! Or the gays! Or the brown people! Or the <insert other minority>)

Also, religious extremists are very useful when you want opponents murdered, they’ll be happy to help in the name of <insert god here>

So yeah, they have been feeding and using religious extremists for their real cause: themselves, a few wealthy and rich assholes.

afraid_of_zombies ,

The Pope wanted it gone. This is the most Catholic Supreme Court in US history and they got rid of abortion. It really doesn’t get any deeper than that.

Roberts in particular is really showing his age and is devout. It’s highly likely they threatened to withhold communion from him just like they did with Biden unless he gave in. If you really thought hell was real and you could end up going there you would be willing to do anything to avoid that fate. Including murder.

Put yourself in his perspective for a moment. He kills say a million women because they are denied lifesaving treatments. Well all those women are probably going to go to heaven anyhow, and heaven is forever. If he saves those women from death he goes to hell, the women he saved still end up going where they are going but he personally gets a time period in hell that laughs at a billion eons.

Wouldn’t you do the same? Would you really allow yourself to be tortured for fucking forever just to save people who are already saved? It makes no sense too. You might be the kinda person who would run into traffic to push a kid out of a way of a bus possibly killing yourself, but even if you were you wouldn’t just run into random traffic.

nifty ,
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Can we make people who vote for lack of safety regulations work affected jobs for about a year or so? How’d you think they’d vote then?

Schadrach ,

I used to argue that whoever was ultimately responsible for safety at a chemical plant should be required to have them and their family live close enough that if shot goes wrong, they’ll definitely be among the worst effected.

But then I live within the greater Charleston, WV area, and there’s a plant in a town called Institute here that makes and handles MIC, most notoriously known for being made less poisonous for use as pesticide and being the stuff that leaked and caused the Bhopal incident back when.

nifty ,
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People should sue for damages if they have a case. Same for the Supreme Court ruling, I guess? It would make sense if someone sues the SC for something they suffer

Natanael ,

They have immunity for the effect of their rulings (unless it’s criminal corruption involved, but they get to decide for themselves that it’s just “gratuities”, unless congress impeach them)

DudeImMacGyver ,
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No, they make the rules and would never agree to that, just like they always vote to give themselves raises and amazing healthcare while fighting to prevent the rest of us from getting adequate pay or healthcare.

FlyingSquid ,
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I assume soon we will be getting rid of the weekend and the 40-hour work week.

We’re already letting children work jobs that maim and kill them again.

friend_of_satan ,

Of course! That’s what family values are all about! Praise the lord and pass the ammunition!

DudeImMacGyver ,
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Username checks out.

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